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by TheUltimateNinja
Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:05 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How do fusion multipliers work?
Replies: 11
Views: 2458

Re: How do fusion multipliers work?

From my point of view, there's no set formula for fusions because they work different for each pair of characters and from different sources. If you're calculating say, Vegetto, just estimate his power considering a unique formula for him. I think there's definitely a lot pointing to changing multi...
by TheUltimateNinja
Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:49 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How do fusion multipliers work?
Replies: 11
Views: 2458

How do fusion multipliers work?

Is it possible that they're not even consistent? I think there's definitely a lot pointing to changing multipliers in the manga. Potara seems to rely on things like rivalry, which is why Vegetto came out so strong whereas Kibitoshin was quite weak. Fusion dance seems to be affected by mastery of the...
by TheUltimateNinja
Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:32 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?
Replies: 38
Views: 3695

Re: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?

The problem with these "what-ifs" is everyone plays coach, figuring out ways the protagonists could win, if they all worked together and fought flawlessly. But the actual characters in the actual show never do that. Goku and Vegeta would not work together at this point in the series. It's...
by TheUltimateNinja
Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:58 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1629080

Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Snip. Well, due to the rather unintuitive 1 edit limit which I don't really understand the purpose for, it's much too late to make any changes to that post but I'll consider your points should I make another list. 1: Neither Trunks nor Goku went all out in that little skirmish, though. Though I gue...
by TheUltimateNinja
Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:34 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?
Replies: 38
Views: 3695

Re: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?

Ideally, the Super Saiyans and Piccolo hold off the Androids until Tenshinhan gets into position and destroys the Androids with a Kikoho, or Krillin can use the Kienzan. Problem is nothing ever works out like it's supposed to. Goku may very well die in an encounter with the Androids. Then the choic...
by TheUltimateNinja
Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:59 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?
Replies: 38
Views: 3695

Re: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?

Ideally, the Super Saiyans and Piccolo hold off the Androids until Tenshinhan gets into position and destroys the Androids with a Kikoho, or Krillin can use the Kienzan. Problem is nothing ever works out like it's supposed to. Goku may very well die in an encounter with the Androids. Then the choic...
by TheUltimateNinja
Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:56 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1629080

Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Upon some consideration, I've decided that my previous power levels are much too low and have come up with a new list: Overall, pretty good. I do have a few issues: 1) What would Goku's healthy full power in the Android arc? You only have his sick levels listed. Also I'd make his sick level at leas...
by TheUltimateNinja
Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:43 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1629080

Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Upon some consideration, I've decided that my previous power levels are much too low and have come up with a new list: Future Trunks Saga: Mecha Frieza: 140,000,000 King Cold: 100,000,000 Trunks: 3,600,000 SSJ Trunks: 180,000,000 Goku: 4,000,000 SSJ Goku: 200,000,000 Vegeta: 2,500,000 Piccolo: 6,000...
by TheUltimateNinja
Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:38 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?
Replies: 38
Views: 3695

Re: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?

Yeah, #17 and #18 are too much for even three Super Saiyans at this point. #18 was pretty much just toying with Vegeta until the very end (when she crippled him immediately), and #17 took out Piccolo and Trunks in no time at all once they got involved. Trunks and Piccolo were weaker than Goku or Ve...
by TheUltimateNinja
Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:35 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?
Replies: 38
Views: 3695

Re: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?

The Z-Fighters still would have gotten their arses kicked. Android 18 defeated two Super Saiyans at once, and was she wasn't even taking the fight seriously. Plus, Android 17 was even stronger than her. Throwing Goku into the mix wouldn't have made a damn difference. Well, she didn't really take ou...
by TheUltimateNinja
Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:55 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?
Replies: 38
Views: 3695

Re: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?

They would be easily defeated by the Androids, the only chance is Piccolo to fuse with Kami. If Piccolo manages to fuse with Kami, I'd say they have a chance. Piccolo is enough to deal with #17, then a spam of Kikohos to crowd control #18 and a serious teamwork of SSJ Vegeta & SSJ Trunks could,...
by TheUltimateNinja
Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:47 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?
Replies: 38
Views: 3695

How would the Z senshi fare vs the Androids if Goku wasn't sick?

Assume Android 16 won't get involved since he could most likely effortlessly win by himself. Let's say only the 3 SSJs and Piccolo are actually fighting with the other Z fighters playing distraction and going for sneak attacks, Eg: Krillin firing Kienzans and Tenshinhan firing Kikohos into the fray....
by TheUltimateNinja
Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:15 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Why is it assumed that Base Vegetto is a match for Buu?
Replies: 14
Views: 2815

Re: Why is it assumed that Base Vegetto is a match for Buu?

The reason for that is because Rou Kaioshin said that a Potara fusion of Goku & Gohan would be able to defeat Gotenks Boo without Super Saiyan because of the Potara's power, and when Goku & Vegeta merged, he said that their fusion is the strongest not only because of the Potara, but also be...
by TheUltimateNinja
Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:39 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1629080

Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Alright, here's my power levels: Multipliers: SSJ: 50x Base Grade 2/ASSJ: 1.5x SSJ Grade 3/USSJ: 1.2x ASSJ MSSJ: 50x, can power up to 60x SSJ2: 2x SSJ SSJ3: 4x Previous SSJ Form (400x for SSJ2, 200x for SSJ) Fusion Dance: 2x (First Fusion), 2.5x (Post RoSAT) Potara: 20x Future Trunks Saga: Mecha Fri...
by TheUltimateNinja
Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:23 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Why is it assumed that Base Vegetto is a match for Buu?
Replies: 14
Views: 2815

Re: Why is it assumed that Base Vegetto is a match for Buu?

The reason for that is because Rou Kaioshin said that a Potara fusion of Goku & Gohan would be able to defeat Gotenks Boo without Super Saiyan because of the Potara's power, and when Goku & Vegeta merged, he said that their fusion is the strongest not only because of the Potara, but also be...
by TheUltimateNinja
Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:46 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Did Vegeta legitimately surpass Goku in the Androids Saga?
Replies: 11
Views: 4054

Did Vegeta legitimately surpass Goku in the Androids Saga?

I know Piccolo stated that he may have become more powerful than Goku, but at that time Goku was being steadily weakened by the heart virus, and presumably it also impeded his training and prevented him from being as strong as he could have been. So, if Goku never got sick and was able to train to h...
by TheUltimateNinja
Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Why is it assumed that Base Vegetto is a match for Buu?
Replies: 14
Views: 2815

Re: Why is it assumed that Base Vegetto is a match for Buu?

It's because Vegetto is SO far and above everything in Dragon Ball Z and that infinity/50 is still infinity. If the anime shows that Vegetto is able to humiliate Buu and the manga does not contradict that, then I'm willing to accept that Base Vegetto is above Buuhan. All in all, it's open to interp...
by TheUltimateNinja
Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:37 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Why is it assumed that Base Vegetto is a match for Buu?
Replies: 14
Views: 2815

Why is it assumed that Base Vegetto is a match for Buu?

Sure, in the anime he puts up a good fight, but in the manga he doesn't have any feats to justify him being so strong.

The way I see it he would only need a gap of a little over 2x to humiliate Buu like he did as an SSJ so his base form could very well be around Perfect Cell level.