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but I think that in such a situation denying the request for such a subforum/sticky is hypocrisy. So I hope we can get one - or at least a more detailed answer why non-DB Toriyama-related translations are OK and non-DB Toriyama-related discussions aren't.As with our prior pre-Dragon Ball translations, our goal is not necessarily to catalog them all, but rather to (at the very least) pinpoint the milestones along the way that led up to Dragon Ball.
I think that's fair.Kanzenshuu wrote:As with our prior pre-Dragon Ball translations, our goal is not necessarily to catalog them all, but rather to (at the very least) pinpoint the milestones along the way that led up to Dragon Ball.
I literally (yes, literally) stared at the screen for over a minute in mute disbelief over this "argumentation". But nevermind, it's your forum so you are free to do as you chose - of course. I just want to say that I still don't see any logic in that. Forget I asked, this topic is all set to be locked.VegettoEX wrote:I think that's fair.Kanzenshuu wrote:As with our prior pre-Dragon Ball translations, our goal is not necessarily to catalog them all, but rather to (at the very least) pinpoint the milestones along the way that led up to Dragon Ball.
This was a polite way of saying: "I see you don't care* so I won't either".VegettoEX wrote:I/we don't lock things just because someone suggests it.
Because what you wrote (or rather how you wrote it) was plain rude. You are the mod and the owner of this site so you are free to be as civil or as rude as you like but I can still feel insulted by your tone.VegettoEX wrote: You seem rather incredulous at my response, judging by your own incredibly back-handed response. Why is that?
Yes, it's helpful but I still fail to see the qualitative difference between putting a translation of a non-DB-related Toriyama interview on site and hosting a discussion (in a specifically designated sticky thread) related to a non-DB-related Toriyama work. As a comparison, let's take the authors of Death Note - Obata and Ohba. They have created one other manga together (Bakuman) and are in the process of creating a third (Platinum End). The title-specific discussions of those mangas can lead to interesting conclusions which in turn could be applied back to Death Note - but only after being left DN-free for some time but with people knowledgeable about DN contributing to those discussions.VegettoEX wrote: We're not necessarily opposed to anything and we are free to change our minds at any time. Perhaps if you gave me more to work with I could give a better response, but since you've acknowledged prior conversations here on the forum, I'm assuming you've read them and tried to understand where we're coming from, which is (to quickly re-explain for those not familiar with it):
FORUM:
- Try to relate all conversations to Dragon Ball
- We don't have the staff to moderate more than what we already have
- The fact that we ARE exclusive to Dragon Ball is a selling point
LARGER WEBSITE CONTENT:
- In turn (well, to start with, since the site comes before the forum), we attempt to tie all our content to Dragon Ball (which I believe we have indeed done)
Toriyama interviews and articles that document his rise and artistic growth heading toward Dragon Ball provide a deeper insight into Dragon Ball. A general conversation about Kajika would be a real stretch.
Is that helpful?
I don't see how anything is cherry-picked; The wedding article is referenced in a 1983 TV interview that the site will have online soon; all of it together will, presumably, provide some deeper insight into Toriyama's process or the lead-up to Dragon Ball(the wedding article ends wondering "what kind of characters" will the Dr. Slump creator think up next and that he can't live off Slump forever; Dr. Slump was nearing its end by this point).Tzigi wrote:Still, it all boils down to: in my opinion it is logical that you stick to DB content only but it isn't logical that you claim to stick to DB content only and then cherry-pick from other Toriyama-related content claiming "it's related in some way so we can cover it" while discouraging the discussion about the non-DB-content that didn't happen to pass your cherry-picking.
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There's no ulterior motive or hidden meaning behind it. I literally meant, and meant alone, that we're not going to lock a thread just because someone requests it. That's all.Tzigi wrote:This was a polite way of saying: "I see you don't care* so I won't either".
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Ignoring that the people who run the site have given an answer time after time to this type of question...DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I just don't get it, why can't we have a sub-forum about Toriyama's other non-DB related works? I get it why you don't want a general off-topic forum, but where is the harm talking about Dr. Slump or Cashman? Especially when there is no other place in the Internet to talk about these?
I have only seen an answer about general off-topic section.MarcFBR wrote:Ignoring that the people who run the site have given an answer time after time to this type of question...
And then the forum will just die after a few days, just like it happened a few years ago when someone made an attempt.Why is this Kanzenshuu's responsibility?
Anyone is welcome to make a site or a forum.
If there isn't a place to discuss Slump, go make one.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Isn't that perhaps saying in and of itself that it isn't necessary to have a dedicated section?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And then the forum will just die after a few days, just like it happened a few years ago when someone made an attempt.
I love Slump. I don't have any expectation to discuss it here. It seems less like Kanzenshuu 'should' have a section for non-DB Toriyama stuff, rather than various people just want it because it guarantee's it'll 'exist' since Kanzenshuu will be there to hold it up.I just believe that having a forum section about non-DB works from Toriyama with this community here, we won't just be able to talk about them, we may even learn things that we didn't know before, and I bet even the guys running this site will be interested
This is sort of an example at why this isn't a great idea. If you're arguing for the forum to do this, but are also saying they have no interest or demand beyond having a specific connection to DB/Z, then I really don't see the point to it.And come on now, only DB fans will be interested in discussing about these.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
This sort of proves the point that it isn't necessary though.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I just don't see the harm of having it around for those interested.
If only a handful of people will post there, will there really need to be spent so much time & effort? I mean, we had a section that people just said "Hi I'm new here!" for years.MarcFBR wrote:Time and effort has to be spent to moderate it, etc. with no real reason to have it beyond a handful of people 'really' wanting it.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Thanks for again proving my point.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:If only a handful of people will post there, will there really need to be spent so much time & effort? I mean, we had a section that people just said "Hi I'm new here!" for years.MarcFBR wrote:Time and effort has to be spent to moderate it, etc. with no real reason to have it beyond a handful of people 'really' wanting it.
Not any real reason? For the same reasons that a DB forum needs to exist. The best place to discuss about this is in a DB forum IMO, since 99.999% of the people interested in this are DB fans. We will be able to not only discuss, but also learn more things about manga from Toriyama.MarcFBR wrote:You seem to want Kanzenshuu to spend time and effort on something, without actually showing there is any real reason for them to do it.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
I'm not even officially staff and I've wasted a good bit of time on this tonight alone.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I mean seriously, I can't see any harm in this. Will the time & effort really be that much more than it was before?
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