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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by Ilikepictures-meh » Tue May 11, 2021 12:31 am

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Cell is seen with a Halo in the BM8 Opening. Do you think this could be related to the upcoming Super movie? Heroes has shown off stuff early on that ends up happening in the actual show & manga (As seen with Goku and Freeza fighting Jiren last in the ToP).
Thing is, Cell is explicitly a part of the current Heroes new arc, as shown in cards, promo art and the opening itself since he is on Planet Vegeta. When they teased stuff like that in openings, it was in side missions about what was happening in the Super anime at the moment. So if anything Cell is the only one who is really unlikely to come back in the movie.
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I don't think they'll bring him back again in Heroes, since he already came back in the Universal Conflict arc and was defeated/erased.

Even so Fused Zamasu shouldn't technically be gone for good, since he was immortal. Meaning that I doubt Hearts successfully erased him from existence when even Zeno couldn't. So he could potentially return, it's a possibility, but I find it unlikely.

The presence of Black might also have something to do with what happened to Fused Zamasu (maybe he unfused/split when he was "erased"?).
Apparently some people on Twitter/YouTube are saying the SDBH manga explained that the Fused Zamasu seen earlier in SDBH and this version of Black are in fact one in the same. Towa apparently brought him back with the dark dragon balls and changed his appearance to Black's body for some reason. I can't confirm if that's factual information though.
That's totally false lmao. The last chapter of the manga did not even confirm Crimson is Black yet. It stopped with a tease of Vegeta vs Turles/Cumber.
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I doubt people will be interested on something so minor while we're getting so many hype announcements, but the website bios mention Turles wanted to become the new Saiyan King of the pseudo-universe. That is really interesting to me from a character point, specially given the dialogue he had with Vegeta after being defeated (I did not expect Vegeta of all people to let him live, but it was awesome). I wish they mentioned it earlier or did something more with it.

Nothing new on Cumber, and the game opening showing Crimson destroying Planet Vegeta makes we worry if he will be just out of the picture until his inevitable fight with Broly. I'm just curious if he would join the Goku-Vegeta group or he would rather just mess around by himself.

Now we just wait until Cell makes his move...

That also took me by surprise and he also beat Cumber like nothing that was even more unexpected for me.

Vegeta and Turles little chat at the end also made a very good point about why Turles still not a Super Saiyan because he is always borrowing power from other sources like the Fruit or Cumber's in this case instead of hard work like all others, Turles himself realizing that at the end gives me hope that he actually pulls it off next time they give him a bit of spotlight.
I was not that surprised by the Cumber thing since I guessed they probably wanted to hype up Vegeta's new power up, but I agree on Turles. If this is their set-up for SS Turles, it's surprinsingly well done. I never thought Turles of all people had a chance for interesting development on Heroes.

They mentioning he had the clear goal of becoming King also makes me wonder if Dr W and Bojack had some specific goal while helping Fuu or if they were just along for the ride.
Interesting, I hope it's explained how Black returns either way. Though I could see it not being explained, for example has Hearts background ever been explained?
Also Cell's bio for this arc seems to imply he was brought back, much like Hearts by Demigra. So he definitely seems Heroes exclusive.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by SupremeKai25 » Tue May 11, 2021 4:23 am

Ilikepictures-meh wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 7:07 pm
SupremeKai25 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:42 pm
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I wonder if we will get a Xeno Merged Zamasu?
I don't think they'll bring him back again in Heroes, since he already came back in the Universal Conflict arc and was defeated/erased.

Even so Fused Zamasu shouldn't technically be gone for good, since he was immortal. Meaning that I doubt Hearts successfully erased him from existence when even Zeno couldn't. So he could potentially return, it's a possibility, but I find it unlikely.

The presence of Black might also have something to do with what happened to Fused Zamasu (maybe he unfused/split when he was "erased"?).
Apparently some people on Twitter/YouTube are saying the SDBH manga explained that the Fused Zamasu seen earlier in SDBH and this version of Black are in fact one in the same. Towa apparently brought him back with the dark dragon balls and changed his appearance to Black's body for some reason. I can't confirm if that's factual information though.
This reminds me of what happened with Fused Zamasu in the Super manga:

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Maybe they are using this concept for Heroes?
Twisting into something hideous... It's the physical embodiment of what he feels within. He is obsessed. Fixated on the contradictions of Gods and mortals. If mortals have capacity for wisdom, why do they so often fail? If Gods see their actions as wicked, why do they tolerate and forgive? How can Gods and mortals seem so different yet so alike? What is the point of it all? Zamasu seeks beauty. Yet look at his body, distorted by hatred and rage. I wonder... Is that really the result that he craved? A broken, misshapen God alone in the vacant cosmos? How fulfilled will he be then?

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Post by Scientist Fu » Tue May 11, 2021 6:43 am

Apparently some people on Twitter/YouTube are saying the SDBH manga explained that the Fused Zamasu seen earlier in SDBH and this version of Black are in fact one in the same. Towa apparently brought him back with the dark dragon balls and changed his appearance to Black's body for some reason. I can't confirm if that's factual information though.
Hmm... this is weird because I follow the story from the manga, the arcade game and the anime and I have never read or seen anything like that.

Or actually, this is what I've found from the arcade story :

"Red-masked Saiyan: Fuu? Hmph, I was used as a tool for that guy’s plans…

Kukuku… I’ll use this mock universe to grant my wish…

And now, what say we begin by exterminating this entire region?

Since it involves an unknown cause of destruction in the original universe, I wonder why many people can disappear."


He is saying that he was used as a tool for Fu's plan so maybe it's true.

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Post by Noitsnothim » Tue May 11, 2021 10:32 am

Scientist Fu wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 6:43 am
Apparently some people on Twitter/YouTube are saying the SDBH manga explained that the Fused Zamasu seen earlier in SDBH and this version of Black are in fact one in the same. Towa apparently brought him back with the dark dragon balls and changed his appearance to Black's body for some reason. I can't confirm if that's factual information though.
Hmm... this is weird because I follow the story from the manga, the arcade game and the anime and I have never read or seen anything like that.

Or actually, this is what I've found from the arcade story :

"Red-masked Saiyan: Fuu? Hmph, I was used as a tool for that guy’s plans…

Kukuku… I’ll use this mock universe to grant my wish…

And now, what say we begin by exterminating this entire region?

Since it involves an unknown cause of destruction in the original universe, I wonder why many people can disappear."


He is saying that he was used as a tool for Fu's plan so maybe it's true.
I also firmly believe that the Goku Black we see (masked saiyan) is the one from the Universal conflict Saga (that was part of Merged Zamasu) if you remember; in the manga of Heroes Merged Zamasu wasn't killed he was only turned into glass by lagss and cut in half by Future Trunks but when she was absorbed (killed whichever) by Majin Ozotto the glass must've come undone and they defused

So, Zamasu could be out there and is awaiting his chance to get the drop on Goku & Hearts

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Post by Scientist Fu » Tue May 11, 2021 10:37 am

Yep, that's what I thought. Maybe they did defuse, that'd be the most logical explanation.

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Post by Yuji » Tue May 11, 2021 5:42 pm

Perhaps the cloaked warrior is a version of time patrol Goku after countless years of time travel, altering his perception on life and making him evil or at least more morally grey?

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Post by ZombieVito » Wed May 12, 2021 12:08 am

Scientist Fu wrote:
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Yep, that's what I thought. Maybe they did defuse, that'd be the most logical explanation.
But the fusion is permanent.

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Post by Dragotaker » Wed May 12, 2021 12:24 am

Yuji wrote:
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Perhaps the cloaked warrior is a version of time patrol Goku after countless years of time travel, altering his perception on life and making him evil or at least more morally grey?
I also been thinking about that, it would make sense as he has been shown to be really strong and it would be a very Heroes thing to do, having yet ANOTHER Goku around since the Time Patrol one is not available at the moment and as soon as he reveals himself they can milk a bunch of cards of him with already existing forms for future missions, it's either that or Bardock as they haven't used him in a real long time now.

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Post by Scientist Fu » Wed May 12, 2021 4:48 am

ZombieVito wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 12:08 am
Scientist Fu wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 10:37 am
Yep, that's what I thought. Maybe they did defuse, that'd be the most logical explanation.
But the fusion is permanent.
Is it for Zamasu? iirc Gowasu said that it only lasts 1 hour because Zamasu never been officially promoted as a Kaioshin.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Wed May 12, 2021 4:59 am

Scientist Fu wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 4:48 am
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Wed May 12, 2021 12:08 am
Scientist Fu wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 10:37 am
Yep, that's what I thought. Maybe they did defuse, that'd be the most logical explanation.
But the fusion is permanent.
Is it for Zamasu? iirc Gowasu said that it only lasts 1 hour because Zamasu never been officially promoted as a Kaioshin.
This was only in the manga, because Toyotaro made Fused Zamasu fully immortal and realized he needed to come up with another weakness.

In the anime (the continuity that Heroes clearly follows) Fused Zamasu was 100% permanent. Since Zamasu was officially promoted to Supreme Kai once he killed Gowasu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM4ONDIdhFk
Twisting into something hideous... It's the physical embodiment of what he feels within. He is obsessed. Fixated on the contradictions of Gods and mortals. If mortals have capacity for wisdom, why do they so often fail? If Gods see their actions as wicked, why do they tolerate and forgive? How can Gods and mortals seem so different yet so alike? What is the point of it all? Zamasu seeks beauty. Yet look at his body, distorted by hatred and rage. I wonder... Is that really the result that he craved? A broken, misshapen God alone in the vacant cosmos? How fulfilled will he be then?

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Post by Scientist Fu » Wed May 12, 2021 12:38 pm

Interesting. Now we only have to wait for more information.

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Post by ZombieVito » Wed May 12, 2021 1:23 pm

Scientist Fu wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 4:48 am
ZombieVito wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 12:08 am
Scientist Fu wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 10:37 am
Yep, that's what I thought. Maybe they did defuse, that'd be the most logical explanation.
But the fusion is permanent.
Is it for Zamasu? iirc Gowasu said that it only lasts 1 hour because Zamasu never been officially promoted as a Kaioshin.
Explain how Fused Zamasu stayed fused in the Hearts arc lol.

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Post by Scientist Fu » Wed May 12, 2021 1:26 pm

ZombieVito wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 1:23 pm
Scientist Fu wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 4:48 am
ZombieVito wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 12:08 am

But the fusion is permanent.
Is it for Zamasu? iirc Gowasu said that it only lasts 1 hour because Zamasu never been officially promoted as a Kaioshin.
Explain how Fused Zamasu stayed fused in the Hearts arc lol.
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Post by Noah » Sat May 29, 2021 9:51 pm

Man, Tullece new form looks ridiculous... Why making he look like adult Gohan with longer hair? I don't see the issue in giving in a SSJ form.

Like now having Black go beyond Rosé that's a bold move, not even Super (which I thought it would do) attempted to have Blue 2 or 3 for that matter.
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Post by Grimlock » Sun May 30, 2021 11:55 am

Needless to say, Super Saiyan Rosé 2 and Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker are not entirely new forms.

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Post by Dragotaker » Mon May 31, 2021 7:52 pm

Man, Tullece new form looks ridiculous... Why making he look like adult Gohan with longer hair? I don't see the issue in giving in a SSJ form.
I think the people at Heroes HQ somehow got told or decided not to do a ''Super Saiyan Bargain Sale'' anymore and that's why they are not going with the obvious route for Saiyans for so long, Xeno Goten doesn't even have a Super Saiyan card even though we know he can at the very least transform into normal Super Saiyan, somehow got stuck on Ultimate for whatever reason, could see Xeno Pan also getting Ultimate if they feel like throwing her a bone at some point instead of you know... what everybody has been wanting since her GT debut.

Raditz and Nappa SS3 was like what 4 years ago? because i know it's been a really long time since then and they were the last ones other than Shallot who has nothing to do with Heroes yet.

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Post by Thanos » Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:28 pm

I’m totally okay with not everyone, especially Tullece, getting SSJ. Do we need another character with that hair style to get SSJ? If anything, non-Goku clones should be getting more forms.
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Post by Grimlock » Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:54 pm

My thoughts exactly. There's no need for Turles to get Super Saiyan, he won't be any different.

Pretty much only King Vegeta (as his beard will also change) and Pan should get (and Tarble for me, poor guy deserves some spotlight in any way). No need for anyone else to get it. By the way, Mira and Fu should both get Super Saiyan 2, if Dimps are not lazy, their hairstyles should be great and different from their Super Saiyan.

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Post by ankokudaishogun » Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:35 pm

Vegeta's new form is "SSGSS - Berserk Controlled" (attack: Ignite Strike)
source https://twitter.com/List_SDBH/status/14 ... 0285734920

Red Mask Saiyan's is just regular "Super Saiyan Rosé" (attack: Shikkoku no Danzai, translates as "Jet-black Judgement")
source https://twitter.com/List_SDBH/status/14 ... 6390042634

Turles's is simply "EVil Saiyan" (attack: Terror Conduct)
source https://imgur.com/a/XJXuwSb

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Post by Thanos » Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:16 pm

I find it funny how Tullece gets a form called “Evil Saiyan” concurrently with being as not evil as he’s ever been as a character. :)
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