"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[S3 Hendrix]

Unless I am mistaken here, it seems that Son Gohan: Xeno has a Super Saiyan 3 Card now.

Spoiler:

http://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh/cardli ... 3%20UMP-64

Holy shit, why isn't anybody talking about this??? and Xeno Gohan doesn't even have normal super saiyan anywhere in the game, not to mention it wasn't released as something important like Goku, Vegeta and Trunks when they had theirs, pretty cool but still Goten being left out yet again, on the other hand he is the only time patrol member left without SS3 now so he has to be next right??? he just has to, unless they plan to do some weaker link thing with him, turn him evil for a while or something, otherwise it doesn't make sense for him to be neglected this much.

No one is talking about it cause we already discussed it on Twitter a week or 2 ago lol

[S3 Hendrix]

Oh, apologies.

Again, nothing against you. The way that the DB Wiki is structured is obscure, misleading, with many events taken out of context. Often mixes various parts of different media, making things even more confusing. Like wtf is that shitty Goku: Xeno wiki page that's incomplete and scrambles manga/anime/game events together (and base XGoku capable of fighting Si Xing Long: Xeno? What in the fuck?). And where tf did the name 'Cunber' come from. Smfh.

If you do have to use it, go straight for the sources instead picking info off the page. Admittedly this can be very tough and time-consuming, I understand not everyone has the time to do that. But I think it's better to ensure facts than to let false notions propagate across the fandom. We have enough of those as is.

Goku:xeno actually did fight nuova Shenron: xeno in only base form, Goku never transformed or anything but just like in GT Eis Shenron(xeno) inturputs the fight

[Dragotaker]

Unless I am mistaken here, it seems that Son Gohan: Xeno has a Super Saiyan 3 Card now.

Spoiler:

http://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh/cardli ... 3%20UMP-64

Holy shit, why isn't anybody talking about this??? and Xeno Gohan doesn't even have normal super saiyan anywhere in the game, not to mention it wasn't released as something important like Goku, Vegeta and Trunks when they had theirs, pretty cool but still Goten being left out yet again, on the other hand he is the only time patrol member left without SS3 now so he has to be next right??? he just has to, unless they plan to do some weaker link thing with him, turn him evil for a while or something, otherwise it doesn't make sense for him to be neglected this much.

No one is talking about it cause we already discussed it on Twitter a week or 2 ago lol

For real?? i mind i always get my Heroes fill from here and sometimes twitter but mostly from here, would love if you could show me people on twitter to follow that always show/discuss whatever new or interesting things the game has

[Rakurai]

Goku:xeno actually did fight nuova Shenron: xeno in only base form, Goku never transformed or anything but just like in GT Eis Shenron(xeno) inturputs the fight

There are instances when characters don't transform yet they still go on to fight a far stronger opponent.

Like this is one of the most blatant examples, in SDBH5, XTrunks fights Dark Dragon Ball Janemba-absorbed Kid Buu... and he doesn't transform in the dialogue cutscene either. He beat Buu, so are we supposed to believe he fought this Buu on steroids in base? That's BS.

Or like throughout Prison Planet, we never see Vegeta transform SSB in the dialogue cutscenes (hell he's never in his SSB model either!) even though we know he's fought Cumber (with Goku) a few times. Are we supposed to believe he never transformed when he fought a Saiyan who could go toe-to-toe with SSB Vegetto?

Or, to use a more recent example, like in UM7, GP Goku fought SSJ3 Cumber and he didn't transform in the dialogue cutscene either. Is that supposed to imply he was fighting SSJ3 Cumber in base this whole time?

I would say the only guaranteed instances of when characters are fighting in a specific form are when they can be used as support or they actually transform in the dialogue cutscene. When they're in base, it really means nothing. XGoku fights Xeno SX Long, that's as generalized as we're supposed to believe.

[Kogath]

And where tf did the name 'Cunber' come from. Smfh.

They based it off the URL for his profile on the Prison Planet site, which IMO is a horrible way to go about things.
http://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh/prison ... cunber.png

[Rakurai]

And where tf did the name 'Cunber' come from. Smfh.

They based it off the URL for his profile on the Prison Planet site, which IMO is a horrible way to go about things.
http://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh/prison ... cunber.png

Wait what... If they're taking the romanization of his name, it literally should be "Kanbaa." "Cunber" is just absolutely plain wrong.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

I heard there is info about the girl that are with Oren, Kamin, Hearts, Zamasu and Cumber ?

Can someone summarize them to me ?

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Lagss

No offense to you, but I am really against using that atrocious fandom wiki as a readable source for info. Especially since they do a complete shit job at keeping proper compilation and/or context of SDBH-related info. Why not just find the original translation on this thread or Twitter?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1103636097047789568

So she is literally a Glass bender person and come from a species who manipulate vitrified element interesting and so fresh for Dragon Ball. Good point she is a female character so it's always good to have more female character. Does I miss anything else to know about her ?

[mahakaishin1991]

Unless I am mistaken here, it seems that Son Gohan: Xeno has a Super Saiyan 3 Card now.

Spoiler:

http://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh/cardli ... 3%20UMP-64

Holy shit, why isn't anybody talking about this??? and Xeno Gohan doesn't even have normal super saiyan anywhere in the game, not to mention it wasn't released as something important like Goku, Vegeta and Trunks when they had theirs, pretty cool but still Goten being left out yet again, on the other hand he is the only time patrol member left without SS3 now so he has to be next right??? he just has to, unless they plan to do some weaker link thing with him, turn him evil for a while or something, otherwise it doesn't make sense for him to be neglected this much.

No one is talking about it cause we already discussed it on Twitter a week or 2 ago lol

Totally expecting nothing for my boy goten but I hold out some hope

[S3 Hendrix]

Goku:xeno actually did fight nuova Shenron: xeno in only base form, Goku never transformed or anything but just like in GT Eis Shenron(xeno) inturputs the fight

There are instances when characters don't transform yet they still go on to fight a far stronger opponent.

Like this is one of the most blatant examples, in SDBH5, XTrunks fights Dark Dragon Ball Janemba-absorbed Kid Buu... and he doesn't transform in the dialogue cutscene either. He beat Buu, so are we supposed to believe he fought this Buu on steroids in base? That's BS.

Or like throughout Prison Planet, we never see Vegeta transform SSB in the dialogue cutscenes (hell he's never in his SSB model either!) even though we know he's fought Cumber (with Goku) a few times. Are we supposed to believe he never transformed when he fought a Saiyan who could go toe-to-toe with SSB Vegetto?

Or, to use a more recent example, like in UM7, GP Goku fought SSJ3 Cumber and he didn't transform in the dialogue cutscene either. Is that supposed to imply he was fighting SSJ3 Cumber in base this whole time?

I would say the only guaranteed instances of when characters are fighting in a specific form are when they can be used as support or they actually transform in the dialogue cutscene. When they're in base, it really means nothing. XGoku fights Xeno SX Long, that's as generalized as we're supposed to believe.

Legend clears are who really would be fighting so in sh5(Trunks xeno didn’t even have dialogue pre fight with janembuu: xeno) Goku: Xeno And Vegeta: xeno are the ones who would actually be fighting janembuu:xeno
https://youtu.be/NsB4hmNZmT8
As can be seen in this video

The legend clear says to use Goku Xeno And Vegeta xeno many times you have to legend clear stuff to unlock more story.

[Rakurai]

Goku:xeno actually did fight nuova Shenron: xeno in only base form, Goku never transformed or anything but just like in GT Eis Shenron(xeno) inturputs the fight

There are instances when characters don't transform yet they still go on to fight a far stronger opponent.

Like this is one of the most blatant examples, in SDBH5, XTrunks fights Dark Dragon Ball Janemba-absorbed Kid Buu... and he doesn't transform in the dialogue cutscene either. He beat Buu, so are we supposed to believe he fought this Buu on steroids in base? That's BS.

Or like throughout Prison Planet, we never see Vegeta transform SSB in the dialogue cutscenes (hell he's never in his SSB model either!) even though we know he's fought Cumber (with Goku) a few times. Are we supposed to believe he never transformed when he fought a Saiyan who could go toe-to-toe with SSB Vegetto?

Or, to use a more recent example, like in UM7, GP Goku fought SSJ3 Cumber and he didn't transform in the dialogue cutscene either. Is that supposed to imply he was fighting SSJ3 Cumber in base this whole time?

I would say the only guaranteed instances of when characters are fighting in a specific form are when they can be used as support or they actually transform in the dialogue cutscene. When they're in base, it really means nothing. XGoku fights Xeno SX Long, that's as generalized as we're supposed to believe.

Legend clears are who really would be fighting so in sh5(Trunks xeno didn’t even have dialogue pre fight with janembuu: xeno) Goku: Xeno And Vegeta: xeno are the ones who would actually be fighting janembuu:xeno
https://youtu.be/NsB4hmNZmT8
As can be seen in this video

The legend clear says to use Goku Xeno And Vegeta xeno many times you have to legend clear stuff to unlock more story.

Pretty sure XTrunks did have dialogue with DDB JanemBuu. This is the video before their battle.

https://youtu.be/270IyL9lrtI?t=283

Spoiler:

Towa: You did well, Trunks. I'll be taking that Dark Dragon Ball.

XTrunks: As if I'll let you do that!

...?! What in the world is this ki...? Is there someone there?!

DDB Buu: Yo, it's been a while, Trunks. So the Dark Dragon Ball's been snatched from us, huh.

Oh well. Hahh!

XTrunks: Why is Majin Buu here?! What's more, he's absorbed Janemba...?!

Legend clears are not always the case either. To use a more recent example, Shin vs. SSJ Caulifla & Kale.

https://youtu.be/Kiu-cX0HG1s?t=26

The Legend Clear for this is to use Hit's Time Skip as the finishing move. Hit is neither part of the mission nor does it make sense in the context of the story, since Caulifla and Kale weren't being controlled at the time.

But back to my main point. Just because XGoku didn't transform doesn't necessarily mean he didn't transform canonically in the arcade story. Unless you accept this huge and inconsistent power differential. Even without the SDBH5 example, there are plenty of instances of this. And the Heroes anime often makes a point of transforming their characters too, like Vegeta and FTrunks who transform in situations where they aren't even shown transforming in the arcade at all.

EDIT: After going through the SDBH mission videos again. It seems that XTrunks acts as the character dialogue placeholder for most of the battles with the DDB Xeno villains. So I'm more inclined to believe the Legend Clears in SDBH1-8.

However, SDBH7 still proves my point when XTrunks fights against FF Mira, and the Legend Clear is for XTrunks to land the finishing blow.

https://youtu.be/FiwlkYf2jxU?t=20

Still no transformation in the dialogue cutscene. Doesn't mean he would be fighting in base since obviously FF Mira >>>>>>> base XTrunks.

[Rakurai]

Compilation of UM1 dialogue for the arcade. UM2 is up next. I will cover both the Prison Planet and the Demigra Assault arcs whenever appropriate. It might take me some time but I hope to get caught up to the latest mission sometime within the next couple of months.

Document link here.

[Rakurai]

Compilation of UM1 dialogue for the arcade. UM2 is up next. I will cover both the Prison Planet and the Demigra Assault arcs whenever appropriate. It might take me some time but I hope to get caught up to the latest mission sometime within the next couple of months.

Document link here.

Finished UM2. Will work on UM3 sometime in the following few weeks, maybe earlier if possible.

[Ssb_goku20]

Compilation of UM1 dialogue for the arcade. UM2 is up next. I will cover both the Prison Planet and the Demigra Assault arcs whenever appropriate. It might take me some time but I hope to get caught up to the latest mission sometime within the next couple of months.

Document link here.

Finished UM2. Will work on UM3 sometime in the following few weeks, maybe earlier if possible.

Thanks for doing this for everyone.

[S3 Hendrix]

Compilation of UM1 dialogue for the arcade. UM2 is up next. I will cover both the Prison Planet and the Demigra Assault arcs whenever appropriate. It might take me some time but I hope to get caught up to the latest mission sometime within the next couple of months.

Document link here.

One mistake is that in UM2 goku’s form there is called super Saiyan Berserk as seen on his official card not ssj2 https://imgur.com/gallery/MVcmOh4

[Grimlock]

Well, while it does have its own name, it is essentially as Rakurai put it: A corrupted Super Saiyan 2. Not actually a mistake there.

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

Compilation of UM1 dialogue for the arcade. UM2 is up next. I will cover both the Prison Planet and the Demigra Assault arcs whenever appropriate. It might take me some time but I hope to get caught up to the latest mission sometime within the next couple of months.

Document link here.

Finished UM2. Will work on UM3 sometime in the following few weeks, maybe earlier if possible.

Thank you so much for this!

So, Goku Xeno also just vanished on the game, uh?

[S3 Hendrix]

Well, while it does have its own name, it is essentially as Rakurai put it: A corrupted Super Saiyan 2. Not actually a mistake there.

In the anime contuity yeah, but arcade and manga that’s not true at all. In game base goku activates this form while being exposed to the evil saiyan’s Ki, in the manga Goku is super Saiyan blue and activates this form from being exposed to the evil saiyan’s ki, And last we have the anime we’re SSJ2 Goku rushes Cumber touches his evil ki and becomes a corrupted like ssj2(but again anime only so you can’t apply this for all heroes continuities

[Dragon Wukong]

Well, while it does have its own name, it is essentially as Rakurai put it: A corrupted Super Saiyan 2. Not actually a mistake there.

In the anime contuity yeah, but arcade and manga that’s not true at all. In game base goku activates this form while being exposed to the evil saiyan’s Ki, in the manga Goku is super Saiyan blue and activates this form from being exposed to the evil saiyan’s ki, And last we have the anime we’re SSJ2 Goku rushes Cumber touches his evil ki and becomes a corrupted like ssj2(but again anime only so you can’t apply this for all heroes continuities

Feels like a weird thing to get nitpicky about. It's clearly Super Saiyan 2 anyhow. It's SS2 hair but with berserker eyes.

[S3 Hendrix]

Well, while it does have its own name, it is essentially as Rakurai put it: A corrupted Super Saiyan 2. Not actually a mistake there.

In the anime contuity yeah, but arcade and manga that’s not true at all. In game base goku activates this form while being exposed to the evil saiyan’s Ki, in the manga Goku is super Saiyan blue and activates this form from being exposed to the evil saiyan’s ki, And last we have the anime we’re SSJ2 Goku rushes Cumber touches his evil ki and becomes a corrupted like ssj2(but again anime only so you can’t apply this for all heroes continuities

Feels like a weird thing to get nitpicky about. It's clearly Super Saiyan 2 anyhow. It's SS2 hair but with berserker eyes.

Well considering the form was literally called Super Saiyan • Berserk it should be clear that it’s not just ssj2

[Rakurai]

Compilation of UM1 dialogue for the arcade. UM2 is up next. I will cover both the Prison Planet and the Demigra Assault arcs whenever appropriate. It might take me some time but I hope to get caught up to the latest mission sometime within the next couple of months.

Document link here.

One mistake is that in UM2 goku’s form there is called super Saiyan Berserk as seen on his official card not ssj2 https://imgur.com/gallery/MVcmOh4

Thanks for pointing that out. The link doesn't work but I found the card elsewhere so it's all good. I'll make that correction later today.

Well, while it does have its own name, it is essentially as Rakurai put it: A corrupted Super Saiyan 2. Not actually a mistake there.

In the anime contuity yeah, but arcade and manga that’s not true at all. In game base goku activates this form while being exposed to the evil saiyan’s Ki, in the manga Goku is super Saiyan blue and activates this form from being exposed to the evil saiyan’s ki, And last we have the anime we’re SSJ2 Goku rushes Cumber touches his evil ki and becomes a corrupted like ssj2(but again anime only so you can’t apply this for all heroes continuities

The dialogue actually makes it seem as if Goku was already a SSJ2 when Cumber's ki started corrupting him. It's not that Cumber's ki forced him to go SSJ2. Goku just happened to go "Berserk" as a SSJ2.