They're exactly the same down to the finisher. That uppercut kick is so iconic to Gogeta at this point.
I would've phrased it more lightly but I was also going to bring up Broly and Bardock as counterexamples.S3 Hendrix wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:45 pmWell that’s not true because normal bardock(a Z character) got super Saiyan 4, way to use head canon hard with no actual support of the claim you’re making.Grimlock wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:41 amYou'll have to ask Herms or VegettoEX, I don't have it in Japanese.Rakurai wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:03 amDon't want to get nitpicky either, but I would need to see the original Japanese text to confirm the way it was worded or the implications. But anyways, this is Toriyama and he's not necessarily the authority on individual movie timelines either (that's most likely Koyama) so
Yeah, in the actual story that didn't happen. But that's exactly what makes possible for Gohan to have Super Saiyan 4. It's the logical explanation for his what-if form.
And I don't think so. Receiving blutz waves and transforming even without a tail is a Dragon Ball GT logic, I don't think it would work within Dragon Ball Z context. I don't think anyone from Dragon Ball Z can transform into Super Saiyan 4.
Saying something like "GT logic doesn't apply to DBZ" is just nonsensical. GT follows from Z, SDBH uses mechanics that were introduced in GT and applies them to Z characters ("GT logic" so to speak) and even Super characters (Tsufurujins Oren and Kamin and their shtick) so any mechanics or processes that were introduced in GT can definitely make their way onto other characters that aren't labeled as GT.