FAKE: Dragon Ball Sparking! Omega announced for PS3 and 360

[Hellspawn28]

I guess people started to like the Sparking games more when they look back on them after the RB games came out and noticed they are not that bad. It's like with movies like Alien 3 where a lot of people used to hate it and grow to like it over time after a decade later.

[Rostir]

Speaking for me, I liked the Sparking games more even after Raging Blast 2 came out.

Oh, all these arguments are the same crap I saw back in the days of the Tenkaichi games. Back then, even after the release of Tenkaichi 3, everyone still hated the damn series and glorified the Budokai games. Then the next series of games came out, Burst Limit, Raging Blast et al. However once the new generation was out, everyone glorified the previous generation (Tenkaichi) and as such the cycle was complete.

I called this back then but the hate for Tenkaichi 3 was so strong I actually doubted myself a fair bit but now, several years later I'm glad I was right. Raging Blast 2 is easily better than Tenkaichi 3 in almost all aspects and has rendered the game unplayable to myself as it's clunky, slow and generally boring, you can't customise anything and every battle feels the same as the last. In Raging Blast 2 you have the ability to at least change your character's loadouts and the flashy, quick paced gameplay makes it more appealing and more enjoyable than Tenkaichi 3.

It does make me wonder though, if, in the next few years everyone's talking about how good Raging Blast 2 was. Funnily enough, after Ultimate Tenkaichi people immediately wanted the system they'd be complaining about for two years.

However if you still regularly play Tenkaichi 3 and Raging Blast 2 (as I try to) I'd love to hear some of these arguments and hopefully there'll be more than "well, you can do this one combo in Tenkaichi 3 that you can't do in Raging Blast!" because that barely passes as a valid complaint.

None of my actual complaints are valid, I'm stating my opinion on a message board with people who have differing opinions.

[Rukura]

It does make me wonder though, if, in the next few years everyone's talking about how good Raging Blast 2 was. Funnily enough, after Ultimate Tenkaichi people immediately wanted the system they'd be complaining about for two years.

This is also easily explained by how anything will seem several times better when compared to Ultimate Tenkaichi. In fact, using that name in the international release might've been to their detriment. Throwing something called "Ultimate Tenkaichi" will have people thinking that the other Tenkaichi games seemed a lot better.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

It does make me wonder though, if, in the next few years everyone's talking about how good Raging Blast 2 was. Funnily enough, after Ultimate Tenkaichi people immediately wanted the system they'd be complaining about for two years.

You have to listen to what they are really asking for. It's not so much that people finally found a love for RB2 it's that they are willing to settle for that game over Ultimate Tenkaichi. More so than not, when people are demanding we go back to "x" game they aren't really saying I want "x" game again; what they are trying to say is I want the emotional experience/immersion of "x" game again. Now I'm speaking in generalities here and everyone is going to have their own reasons as to why they like x over y game; but from what I've noticed as each new game comes out we have more and more dissatisfied fans looking back and clinging on previous memories.

Look how quickly that HD collection rumor thread blew up. People were diving into that faster then the Kinect thread. Not so much because they love Tenkaichi(people were arguing over what games were best for the collection) but because there potential for them to get something better then what they are currently receiving.

When people are asking for a BT4 or an RB3 ask yourself if they really want that or if they want something completely new. Something that could bring back the same emotions that BT or RB gave them. Ask yourself, after 6 years do you still want Spike making your games or do you want to see if someone else could do something different?

[JeffJarrett]

Oh, all these arguments are the same crap I saw back in the days of the Tenkaichi games. Back then, even after the release of Tenkaichi 3, everyone still hated the damn series and glorified the Budokai games. Then the next series of games came out, Burst Limit, Raging Blast et al. However once the new generation was out, everyone glorified the previous generation (Tenkaichi) and as such the cycle was complete.

That's false. The Tenkaichi games, and especially BT3, were always considered better than the Budokai games by most.
Only a fey Budokai series fans were upset, but they were a minority.

[Saimaroimaru]

Oh, all these arguments are the same crap I saw back in the days of the Tenkaichi games. Back then, even after the release of Tenkaichi 3, everyone still hated the damn series and glorified the Budokai games. Then the next series of games came out, Burst Limit, Raging Blast et al. However once the new generation was out, everyone glorified the previous generation (Tenkaichi) and as such the cycle was complete.

That's false. The Tenkaichi games, and especially BT3, were always considered better than the Budokai games by most.
Only a fey Budokai series fans were upset, but they were a minority.

Depends on the forum. It was 50-50 at gamefaqs don't know now since I left the DBZ community there after RB1 was released.

[dbboxkaifan]

That's false. The Tenkaichi games, and especially BT3, were always considered better than the Budokai games by most.
Only a fey Budokai series fans were upset, but they were a minority.

That's just completely subjective, tho, BT3 might be considered the "best" due to the large number of characters, some of them could have been used in the customization section but quantity over quality is what matters, apparently.

[Rostir]

Budokai 3 has a huge defense force however.

[kei17]

There are some videos named "DBZ Sparking! Omega" posted on YT last year. This might be one of the origins of the rumor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsHXi5L_OEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skedhepn5gc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRGyomesYUk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYUnQzlhL-s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT1MDjdq5Q4

[Jaruka]

It does make me wonder though, if, in the next few years everyone's talking about how good Raging Blast 2 was. Funnily enough, after Ultimate Tenkaichi people immediately wanted the system they'd be complaining about for two years.

This is also easily explained by how anything will seem several times better when compared to Ultimate Tenkaichi. In fact, using that name in the international release might've been to their detriment. Throwing something called "Ultimate Tenkaichi" will have people thinking that the other Tenkaichi games seemed a lot better.

We voted for the name, did we not?

It does make me wonder though, if, in the next few years everyone's talking about how good Raging Blast 2 was. Funnily enough, after Ultimate Tenkaichi people immediately wanted the system they'd be complaining about for two years.

You have to listen to what they are really asking for. It's not so much that people finally found a love for RB2 it's that they are willing to settle for that game over Ultimate Tenkaichi. More so than not, when people are demanding we go back to "x" game they aren't really saying I want "x" game again; what they are trying to say is I want the emotional experience/immersion of "x" game again. Now I'm speaking in generalities here and everyone is going to have their own reasons as to why they like x over y game; but from what I've noticed as each new game comes out we have more and more dissatisfied fans looking back and clinging on previous memories.

Look how quickly that HD collection rumor thread blew up. People were diving into that faster then the Kinect thread. Not so much because they love Tenkaichi(people were arguing over what games were best for the collection) but because there potential for them to get something better then what they are currently receiving.

When people are asking for a BT4 or an RB3 ask yourself if they really want that or if they want something completely new. Something that could bring back the same emotions that BT or RB gave them. Ask yourself, after 6 years do you still want Spike making your games or do you want to see if someone else could do something different?

I knew I shouldn't have added that UT point because, as always, the thing meant most casually is the thing everyone picks up on and replies to. HD collection is popular because of the nostalgia, the PS2 games look horrible on LCD televisions and a chance to play them on our next-gen consoles is the exciting prospect, not the fact it's better than what we're getting.

To be honest I would have been happy with Raging Blast 3 and whatever other crap is thrown at us. If I wanted a deep, complex fighter I'd play Marvel vs Capcom, just like I have both Call of Duty and Ghost Recon. COD is perfect because it's crap, easy and effortless (oh and also never changes every year ) however when I want something deep and challenging I go to Ghost Recon. I carry on the same attitude towards the Dragonball games

Oh, all these arguments are the same crap I saw back in the days of the Tenkaichi games. Back then, even after the release of Tenkaichi 3, everyone still hated the damn series and glorified the Budokai games. Then the next series of games came out, Burst Limit, Raging Blast et al. However once the new generation was out, everyone glorified the previous generation (Tenkaichi) and as such the cycle was complete.

That's false. The Tenkaichi games, and especially BT3, were always considered better than the Budokai games by most.
Only a fey Budokai series fans were upset, but they were a minority.

It was only this was post-Burst Limit, before then and even during Tenkaichi 3's release window and post-release Budokai 3 still reigned supreme.

[dbboxkaifan]

We voted for the name, did we not?

I didn't, but other than Ultimate Tenkaichi which other names were on the table? They should've kept the original title than UT.

[JeffJarrett]

I didn't, but other than Ultimate Tenkaichi which other names were on the table? They should've kept the original title than UT.

Dragon Ball Z: Tenkaichi Z, Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Rising, Dragon Ball Z: Awakening Saiyans, and Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Warriors: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon ... evelopment

Now that the game was released, I think that Saiyan Warriors would have been a more appropriate title. Seeing the storyline of the game's Hero Mode, and the possibility to create male Saiyans only.

[DonieZ]

@Jaruka; Don't count me in your analysis, if anything it is the complete opposite. I don't rever BT3 the greatest now nor think it was good, and I'm not happy with anything this gen, even BL since it's gameplay wasn't 'solid' enough for me to make up for the lack of an overall experience (still the most enjoyable I find though). After BL, RB I think is the best this generation has to offer, hwoever at best I found it satisfactory. I don't want a HD collection filled with 'any' of the PS2 games, nor do I want a RB3. I want something completely new, but alas, Spike can't do 'new'. When they do, they do Ultimate Tenkaichi.

I think this generalisation isn't very accurate. There are groups of people who like Budokai most, others who like BT3, those who prefer RB2, and those who hate (or dislike) nearly all of them.

[Saimaroimaru]

There are some videos named "DBZ Sparking! Omega" posted on YT last year. This might be one of the origins of the rumor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsHXi5L_OEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skedhepn5gc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRGyomesYUk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYUnQzlhL-s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT1MDjdq5Q4

The Omega rumor apparently came from a troll on 2chan who was trying to push the rumors for years. After the announcement of Ultimate Tenkaichi: Kinetic Verision, the fanbase was ripe for any rumor.

@Jaruka; Don't count me in your analysis, if anything it is the complete opposite. I don't rever BT3 the greatest now nor think it was good, and I'm not happy with anything this gen, even BL since it's gameplay wasn't 'solid' enough for me to make up for the lack of an overall experience (still the most enjoyable I find though). After BL, RB I think is the best this generation has to offer, hwoever at best I found it satisfactory. I don't want a HD collection filled with 'any' of the PS2 games, nor do I want a RB3. I want something completely new, but alas, Spike can't do 'new'. When they do, they do Ultimate Tenkaichi.

I think this generalisation isn't very accurate. There are groups of people who like Budokai most, others who like BT3, those who prefer RB2, and those who hate (or dislike) nearly all of them.

It all depends on the community. I liked them equally personally. The problem RB1 faced was the character amount problem that is really what set people off from it. It didn't help with UT's character cutting either.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

You have to listen to what they are really asking for. It's not so much that people finally found a love for RB2 it's that they are willing to settle for that game over Ultimate Tenkaichi. More so than not, when people are demanding we go back to "x" game they aren't really saying I want "x" game again; what they are trying to say is I want the emotional experience/immersion of "x" game again. Now I'm speaking in generalities here and everyone is going to have their own reasons as to why they like x over y game; but from what I've noticed as each new game comes out we have more and more dissatisfied fans looking back and clinging on previous memories.

Look how quickly that HD collection rumor thread blew up. People were diving into that faster then the Kinect thread. Not so much because they love Tenkaichi(people were arguing over what games were best for the collection) but because there potential for them to get something better then what they are currently receiving.

When people are asking for a BT4 or an RB3 ask yourself if they really want that or if they want something completely new. Something that could bring back the same emotions that BT or RB gave them. Ask yourself, after 6 years do you still want Spike making your games or do you want to see if someone else could do something different?

I knew I shouldn't have added that UT point because, as always, the thing meant most casually is the thing everyone picks up on and replies to. HD collection is popular because of the nostalgia, the PS2 games look horrible on LCD televisions and a chance to play them on our next-gen consoles is the exciting prospect, not the fact it's better than what we're getting.

To be honest I would have been happy with Raging Blast 3 and whatever other crap is thrown at us. If I wanted a deep, complex fighter I'd play Marvel vs Capcom, just like I have both Call of Duty and Ghost Recon. COD is perfect because it's crap, easy and effortless (oh and also never changes every year ) however when I want something deep and challenging I go to Ghost Recon. I carry on the same attitude towards the Dragonball games

Didn't seem that casual but ok. Also, about the whole nostalgia thing you really have to ask where that's coming from. Dragonball never really went away, the games keep coming. There really isn't room for nostalgia...unless of course people aren't happy with what they are getting. With no reason to go forward a lot of people(including myself) have been looking back at older games. Speaking for myself, when the HD collection thing was blowing up I wasn't excited because I was going to be able to relive BT3 in HD; I was excited because I could finally have another Dragonball game I could justify purchasing. It wasn't so much nostalgia as it was wanting to have an enjoyable(complete) experience on my PS3.

As for your last point, why should I have to settle for a sub par game? I love fighters; I love Dragonball; why can't I have one in the same? Why shouldn't there be a Reeses Peanut Butter Cup Dragonball fighter that takes the best of both worlds and blends them into one?

[Hellspawn28]

I wonder if we should lock this thread since we all know it's a hoax?

Nah, it seems like things like the "real" scan above are starting. Eventually, another thread will open that will show what "real" info about this came out. I think it would be better to keep this thread for this reason.

But the game is not even real. What we can talk about this since this game is nothing more then one big fake hoax?

[Saimaroimaru]

I wonder if we should lock this thread since we all know it's a hoax?

Nah, it seems like things like the "real" scan above are starting. Eventually, another thread will open that will show what "real" info about this came out. I think it would be better to keep this thread for this reason.

But the game is not even real. What we can talk about this since this game is nothing more then one big fake hoax?

The point he is making is that now that a fake scan is running around, eventually someone will get excited and run here. Seeing the original thread closed would tempt them to make a new one with the same or similar fake scan claiming it as proof. Keeping this open, it becomes a sponge for all that exciteness as they can now learn the truth and if they don't go back a few pages its just one post to deal with rather than a new thread to push down all the other topics.

[Jaruka]

Didn't seem that casual but ok. Also, about the whole nostalgia thing you really have to ask where that's coming from. Dragonball never really went away, the games keep coming. There really isn't room for nostalgia...unless of course people aren't happy with what they are getting. With no reason to go forward a lot of people(including myself) have been looking back at older games. Speaking for myself, when the HD collection thing was blowing up I wasn't excited because I was going to be able to relive BT3 in HD; I was excited because I could finally have another Dragonball game I could justify purchasing. It wasn't so much nostalgia as it was wanting to have an enjoyable(complete) experience on my PS3.

As for your last point, why should I have to settle for a sub par game? I love fighters; I love Dragonball; why can't I have one in the same? Why shouldn't there be a Reeses Peanut Butter Cup Dragonball fighter that takes the best of both worlds and blends them into one?

Dragonball never went away, that is true but we've all grown up now. We've grown into hyper-critical never happy adults and these games are from our childhood, when we were happy just to throw a Kamehameha as Goku or face off against Coola for the first time. To be honest though your reasons for buying it feel a bit off and I feel nostalgia or playing the game on your new console are far more sound reasons than "I get to buy the same game again!" as I'm sure you already have Tenkaichi 3.

I'm not saying anyone should settle, I'm stating my approach to these games.

I didn't, but other than Ultimate Tenkaichi which other names were on the table? They should've kept the original title than UT.

Dragon Ball Z: Tenkaichi Z, Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Rising, Dragon Ball Z: Awakening Saiyans, and Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Warriors: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon ... evelopment

Now that the game was released, I think that Saiyan Warriors would have been a more appropriate title. Seeing the storyline of the game's Hero Mode, and the possibility to create male Saiyans only.

Funnily enough, based on that I called the CC long before we had the information :p

[MCDaveG]

It does make me wonder though, if, in the next few years everyone's talking about how good Raging Blast 2 was. Funnily enough, after Ultimate Tenkaichi people immediately wanted the system they'd be complaining about for two years.

You have to listen to what they are really asking for. It's not so much that people finally found a love for RB2 it's that they are willing to settle for that game over Ultimate Tenkaichi. More so than not, when people are demanding we go back to "x" game they aren't really saying I want "x" game again; what they are trying to say is I want the emotional experience/immersion of "x" game again. Now I'm speaking in generalities here and everyone is going to have their own reasons as to why they like x over y game; but from what I've noticed as each new game comes out we have more and more dissatisfied fans looking back and clinging on previous memories.

Look how quickly that HD collection rumor thread blew up. People were diving into that faster then the Kinect thread. Not so much because they love Tenkaichi(people were arguing over what games were best for the collection) but because there potential for them to get something better then what they are currently receiving.

When people are asking for a BT4 or an RB3 ask yourself if they really want that or if they want something completely new. Something that could bring back the same emotions that BT or RB gave them. Ask yourself, after 6 years do you still want Spike making your games or do you want to see if someone else could do something different?

Agreed in everything. Also, DB is not the only franchise that pissed me off, but I really didn't like Final Fantasy XIII, which I as a big fan of this series, mark as worse than XII, and I thought that XII was bad. Last good FF I played was X and I enjoyed even my PSP version of FF1 more than XIII. I think that poloautomatic battle system in XIII is really retarded, being it the classic turn based from before, I won't be that mad. Even little shocked by FF VIII's system, I enjoyed the game a lot and I was able to manage it quickly, but I really am tired from constantly switching Paradigma like an idiot and assign commands. It's like some stoner had a wet dream about Mortal Kombat merged with RPG system
Well, my feelings about the Ultimate Tenkaichi are the same as about FFXIII. I don't wanna the same Tenkaichi again, but after this, it will be better than what we got. Rather Budokai Tenkaichi 6 (which it will be, RB series is simply masqueraded BT series) with roster of 300 characters than UT, but at the same time, I would love that Spike got kicked out and we got for example some Anniversary RPG based on all 42 chapters of manga on Home TV consoles with great visuals as only and final game and I will be satisfied. I don't see other franchises raped by the way the Dragon Ball is. At least, most of other popular franchises have new material to atract fans (Yeah, really, we got this 3 sucky ''OVAs'' about 20 minutes each next to Hokuto no Ken's 5 anniversary movies each long over hour). Really, they should've scrapped Kai completely and do some OVAs for the anniversary, with the manga visuals like Hokuto no Ken, which even computer animated looks beatyfull and 100% better than Kai opening. Doing some little recap of the story and than covering the battle with major villain isn't that hard.

[Saimaroimaru]

Funnily enough, based on that I called the CC long before we had the information :p

The reason they added CC was because they released a poll after RB2 came out and like during the Budokai polls, CC was a top winner(forgot if it won in the RB poll but it did during the Budokai days). They really do take fan input into account but through "official" communications like polls or with those facebook accounts.

I think Namco only sees DBZ as a quick cash franchise because when I asked about doing a dev one year and another the next giving them two years of developing and gettinga round the every year stipulation they said no because of money.

When Namco decides that the franchise is worth the money then we maybe get better quality fighting games or at least more dev time.