Can we talk about the Funimation Movie Soundtracks?

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Re: Can we talk about the Funimation Movie Soundtracks?

Post by WittyUsername » Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:49 pm

Planetnamek wrote:
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Thanos wrote:
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Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:26 pm
and also ska is considerably better then nu metal.
A lesser of two evils, to be sure.
Planetnamek wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:14 pm
I love that kind of Nu Metal/Alternative sound, so it was pure heaven for me. No it may not have been what Toriyama had in mind, but I thought they still fit pretty well. I think years of watching fans create their own music videos for DBZ convinced Funi that they might as well do it for them.
I mean, if you're not interested creative works being preserved to respect the intent of the people who... ya know, actually created the thing, there isn't much to talk about here. I'm sure if Toei wanted to slap a heavy guitar song over Coola's power-up scene, that would have featured in the original airing. But it wasn't, so why add it? Shunsuke Kikuchi already wrote a number of servicable tracks that supplemented the feature over a decade prior. That "nu metal/alternative sound" didn't exist for another decade, and is heavily steeped in early 00's tuffguy American culture. Do you not see how bizarre it is to pair that with a Japanese cartoon from the early 1990's? Some things you just don't do. This is one of them. But they did it.
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I disagree heavily on that, there's a lot of films and TV shows that wouldn't have been half as effective without the placement of certain songs. There's lots of scenes in shows like Breaking Bad that would've had nowhere near as much impact if they didn't have a certain specific song playing.
Right... but Breaking Bad wasn't dubbed twenty years after the fact with anachronistic music from another country. You know those scenes were shot and directed to have those songs played over them, right?
Yeah it's bizarre but for me it works and I wasn't comparing BB to DBZ at all, I was just responding to the guy who claimed he didn't like music with vocals in ANY film or TV series period as I thought that was a bit of an extreme line of thinking.

I disagree that this is one of those things you just don't do, I think it's fine for what it is.

Besides later movies did lean heavily into this type of music even in their original versions with songs like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trT-QaYV4NM So looks like Toei took influence from the English dubs in some way which is rather interesting.
I’m actually not too crazy about when Breaking Bad uses background music where singing is involved either. Still, in that case, it is much less egregious than using early 2000s Nu-metal for some Japanese cartoons that came out in the early 90s. To be clear, on their own, I actually do kind of like a lot of the music they used, but they definitely don’t fit with the DBZ movies.

In terms of the replacement scores that were used for the movies, I prefer something like Mark Menza’s score for Movie 6.

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Re: Can we talk about the Funimation Movie Soundtracks?

Post by Thanos » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:23 pm

Planetnamek wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:17 pm
I disagree that this is one of those things you just don't do, I think it's fine for what it is.

Besides later movies did lean heavily into this type of music even in their original versions with songs like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trT-QaYV4NM So looks like Toei took influence from the English dubs in some way which is rather interesting.
You seem rather insistant upon your opinion being established as fact moving forward, but this has not been demonstrated. I, and many others, consider the neglect of preservation of artistic integrity to be kind of disgusting. They basically were entrusted to present a foreign entity's product to a domestic audience, and essentially implied that it wasn't good enough, that they, a borderline amateur Texas production company at the time, knew better. The "music" is anachronistic. This is a fact. It was neither part of the original product nor contemporaneous to its release (at least a decade in some cases, as I've said); you're welcome to have your toys and play with them in your home but I'm not sure what you're trying to gain by arguing with purists that impurity is "A-OK".

I'm not sure what one example of a heavy metal song (that I'm aware of) being used in official material over the span of 34+ years proves, beyond Toriyama enjoying and appreciating that a band dedicated a song to one of his characters. Claiming Toei was influenced by someone messing with their own work is... well, strange.
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Re: Can we talk about the Funimation Movie Soundtracks?

Post by MyVisionity » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:14 am

Great decision by Funimation to use that music. Gives the movies an extra special touch that wouldn't be there had it been the usual Faulconer tracks. It separates the films from the tv show. I like how they were willing to try something different. I have fond memories of that music and thought the selections were inspired.

Personally I think that using the Kikuchi tracks would have been laughable.

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Re: Can we talk about the Funimation Movie Soundtracks?

Post by Planetnamek » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:03 am

Thanos wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:23 pm
Planetnamek wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:17 pm
I disagree that this is one of those things you just don't do, I think it's fine for what it is.

Besides later movies did lean heavily into this type of music even in their original versions with songs like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trT-QaYV4NM So looks like Toei took influence from the English dubs in some way which is rather interesting.
You seem rather insistant upon your opinion being established as fact moving forward, but this has not been demonstrated. I, and many others, consider the neglect of preservation of artistic integrity to be kind of disgusting. They basically were entrusted to present a foreign entity's product to a domestic audience, and essentially implied that it wasn't good enough, that they, a borderline amateur Texas production company at the time, knew better. The "music" is anachronistic. This is a fact. It was neither part of the original product nor contemporaneous to its release (at least a decade in some cases, as I've said); you're welcome to have your toys and play with them in your home but I'm not sure what you're trying to gain by arguing with purists that impurity is "A-OK".

I'm not sure what one example of a heavy metal song (that I'm aware of) being used in official material over the span of 34+ years proves, beyond Toriyama enjoying and appreciating that a band dedicated a song to one of his characters. Claiming Toei was influenced by someone messing with their own work is... well, strange.
I don't think using bands automatically implies that they think they "know better" just that western audiences have different expectations then Japanese audiences do that's all. I look at it the same way as Disney adding music to films like Kiki's Delivery Service in sections where it was originally silent, Disney execs explained to Miyazaki that western audiences simply weren't used to extended periods of silence in animated films and he was understanding, he didn't see the added music as an "impurity", just as something to appeal more to western audiences.

I don't see it as impurity in the least and I don't think it's strange at all as it's been proven that Funimation carries a lot of sway with Toei, so it's not shocking that they would start appealing to the west in the original versions to begin with rather then wait for Funimation to do it.
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Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:14 am
Great decision by Funimation to use that music. Gives the movies an extra special touch that wouldn't be there had it been the usual Faulconer tracks. It separates the films from the tv show. I like how they were willing to try something different. I have fond memories of that music and thought the selections were inspired.

Personally I think that using the Kikuchi tracks would have been laughable.
Agreed, the music really makes the films feel epic, I don't give a toss if it's "contemporaneous" or whatever, I just care if it fits well with the visuals and in most cases it does.
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Re: Can we talk about the Funimation Movie Soundtracks?

Post by GhostEmperorX » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:02 am

Thanos wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:23 pm
They basically were entrusted to present a foreign entity's product to a domestic audience, and essentially implied that it wasn't good enough, that they, a borderline amateur Texas production company at the time, knew better.
This is precisely the issue that I've come to realize with this and other American dubbing/adaptation companies at the time. In this case in particular, they strayed from the show as intended by Toriyama himself as well as all those who worked on it but it wasn't an outright adaptation. It was just about the closest a dub could get to an adaptation while keeping most of the names intact, which is why their stuff is disrespectful. So their BGM choice in the show as well as their AMV precursors in the movies were both inherently bad calls that don't stand the test of time.

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Re: Can we talk about the Funimation Movie Soundtracks?

Post by Majin Buu » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:27 am

Never liked it.

Just like the Falconer score, it makes the music come off as trying to be cool in a way that feels obnoxious, abrasive, and dated. It feels like I'm being assaulted whenever I try watching the film with that music.

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Re: Can we talk about the Funimation Movie Soundtracks?

Post by NitroEX » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:11 am

The idea of putting licensed music in an anime movie isn't new or necessarily bad by itself but the biggest problem with Funi's use of music in these movies is that the placement is clumsy and amateur 90% of the time and just feels slapped on with very little thought or creative intent behind it. A lot of the times you'll have lyrics or screaming placed awkwardly during scenes with dialogue between characters or you'll have the crescendo of the song coincide with an utterly dull moment in the fight leading you to wonder why they even bothered with it in the first place. And other times, specifically with the Bardock film, you have evidence of a sloppy Youtube-tier edit job where you can even hear a cut in the song intro. It's just so poorly executed most of the time and I can only think of a handful of moments that still hold up, but the ones that do just feel like more of a happy accident rather than the result of any forethought or genius on the part of the editors.

The US versions of the first Pokemon movie as well as the Digimon movie (for all their faults) actually did licensed music placement correctly, and it has nothing to do with favouring any particular genre of music. All you have to do is pay attention to where the editors placed the songs and the tone behind them, usually, it will match the scene far better than what you see from the DBZ movies where music is treated as window dressing to cover up silence or to give some vague notion of a cool moment (when really, nothing cool has even happened yet).

I'll also add that licensed songs go better with a film when it's interwoven with actual movie score. If it's just a constant stream of unrelated songs it starts to cheapen the experience or feel incredibly lazy, and I can think of a few Funi movie dubs that came close to or basically did just that.

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Re: Can we talk about the Funimation Movie Soundtracks?

Post by Jackdaslayer » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:33 pm

There are a few bands, Haji's Kitchen and Dust For Life in particular who ended up being some of my favourite bands after listening them on DBZ. Chris Gavin, creator of Dust Foe life has had many albums both with and without the band ans is still going strong today.
I understand people not thinking they go with DBZ but I personally love them and got in to a lot of them through the show.

I've gotten permission from both Haji's Kitchen and Dust For Life to use them in my Dragon Ball Z : Invasion Of Tradick movie!

Here is the Trailer if people are interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPlervFVVCI

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