Sumitomo has redeemed himself!
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Sumitomo has redeemed himself!
Been listening today to Dragon Ball Super - Original Soundtrack (Vol. 1 of who-knows-how-many-more) and I was really pleased with the score but I already knew it was going to be exceptionally great as even though I don't enjoy the DBS episodes all that much, the soundtrack is definitely one of its highlights (besides hearing Masako Nozawa and other OG VAs). I do have to say that I love the track "CHA-LA HEAD-CHA-LA (Days of Battle)", "Subtitle", "Chozetsu Dynamic" (how couldn't I feature on this list!), "Believe in Yourself (String Ver.)", "A Tough Battle", "Team Dragon's Theme", "Under the Blue Sky", "Party Scene", "Eyecatch A/B", "The Fatso Waltz", "Freeza is Resurrected", "Freeza's Chosen Ones", "Golden Freeza's Theme", "Time to Strike Back" and the list goes on.
If I'd have to give it a score then it'd be a solid 8/10. Sumitomo's music was something that I despised back in Kai 2.0 and thought he couldn't make DB-fied tunes but well, he proved me and a lot to be incorrect on that. I also love that they sound video game-y too.
If I'd have to give it a score then it'd be a solid 8/10. Sumitomo's music was something that I despised back in Kai 2.0 and thought he couldn't make DB-fied tunes but well, he proved me and a lot to be incorrect on that. I also love that they sound video game-y too.
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I thought that Sumitomo's score for Super was quite a mixed bag. Quite a few of tracks sound like something that you would hear in Dragon Ball videogame as supposed to what you would hear in a Dragon Ball anime. Track 19 sounds like something I would hear in a promotional video for the 2014 World Cup in Brazil and track 24 and 27 sound like something straight out of Crash Bandicoot. That being said, some of the tracks sound really damn good. Specifically tracks 7, 10, 11, 16, 12, 25, 28, 29, 30, 31 57, 58, 59, 60, 62 and 66 sound really great, and honestly, I think Toei should have just used those tracks for the show because they sound the best.
Someone in Toei really needs to have word in Sumitomo's ear and tell him to focus solely on full orchestral pieces, where he seems to truly shine, as supposed to instead of wasting energy on all the synthesized shit he puts together. I was reminded one too many times of Crash Bandicoot listening to some of these tracks. And while I love Crash Bandicoot, I don't want its type of music anywhere near Dragon Ball in any remote sense.
Someone in Toei really needs to have word in Sumitomo's ear and tell him to focus solely on full orchestral pieces, where he seems to truly shine, as supposed to instead of wasting energy on all the synthesized shit he puts together. I was reminded one too many times of Crash Bandicoot listening to some of these tracks. And while I love Crash Bandicoot, I don't want its type of music anywhere near Dragon Ball in any remote sense.
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Oh, I guess that's why I really fancy the score of Super so much then. I love gaming and Dragon Ball so having these two things come together is quite the treat for me.Lord Beerus wrote:I thought that Sumitomo's score for Super was quite a mixed bag. Quite a few of tracks sound like something that you would hear in Dragon Ball videogame as supposed to what you would hear in a Dragon Ball anime. Track 19 sounds like something I would hear in a promotional video for the 2014 World Cup in Brazil and track 24 and 27 sound like something straight out of Crash Bandicoot. That being said, some of the tracks sound really damn good. Specifically tracks 7, 10, 11, 16, 12, 25, 28, 29, 30, 31 57, 58, 59, 60, 62 and 66 sound really great, and honestly, I think Toei should have just used those tracks for the show because they sound the best.
Someone in Toei really needs to have word in Sumitomo's ear and tell him to focus solely on full orchestral pieces, where he seems to truly shine, as supposed to instead of wasting energy on all the synthesized shit he puts together. I was reminded one too many times of Crash Bandicoot listening to some of these tracks. And while I love Crash Bandicoot, I don't want its type of music anywhere near Dragon Ball in any remote sense.
P.S. I'm tired of seeing that PS4 has so many friggin' PS3 remasters but if Sony remastered Crash Bandicoot 1-3 + CTR (the Mario Kart of PlayStation -- ModNation Racers is 'meh') in HD with online play support that would be so Super!
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Last episode played mostly the orchestrated soundtracks, and It was godly!. If Sumitomo ditched synths he would be one hell of a music powerhouse, his soule score is freaking great and it's full orchestra.Iberian_Saiyan wrote:Oh, I guess that's why I really fancy the score of Super so much then. I love gaming and Dragon Ball so having these two things come together is quite the treat for me.Lord Beerus wrote:I thought that Sumitomo's score for Super was quite a mixed bag. Quite a few of tracks sound like something that you would hear in Dragon Ball videogame as supposed to what you would hear in a Dragon Ball anime. Track 19 sounds like something I would hear in a promotional video for the 2014 World Cup in Brazil and track 24 and 27 sound like something straight out of Crash Bandicoot. That being said, some of the tracks sound really damn good. Specifically tracks 7, 10, 11, 16, 12, 25, 28, 29, 30, 31 57, 58, 59, 60, 62 and 66 sound really great, and honestly, I think Toei should have just used those tracks for the show because they sound the best.
Someone in Toei really needs to have word in Sumitomo's ear and tell him to focus solely on full orchestral pieces, where he seems to truly shine, as supposed to instead of wasting energy on all the synthesized shit he puts together. I was reminded one too many times of Crash Bandicoot listening to some of these tracks. And while I love Crash Bandicoot, I don't want its type of music anywhere near Dragon Ball in any remote sense.
P.S. I'm tired of seeing that PS4 has so many friggin' PS3 remasters but if Sony remastered Crash Bandicoot 1-3 + CTR (the Mario Kart of PlayStation -- ModNation Racers is 'meh') in HD with online play support that would be so Super!
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I think it's far better than what he did for the Boo arc of kai, given that he probably has some kind of budget, that being said nothing is memorable to me so far.
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I love his tracks so far for the Future Trunks arc. Black's theme...that sweet little theme that plays when he talks to Bulma (recent episode 51 it plays again too). I was imagining in my head an ending to Future Trunk's story where everyone in his timeline is revived. Final scene he's in the time machine heading back (where that sweet little theme i mentioned starts playing). He gets to his time and sees everyone there waiting for him with a smile, he smiles back and the screen slowly fades (the ending to that sweet theme plays and screen goes black).
Of course that is probably going to be unlikely but i thought that type of ending with that little theme would be sweet.
Of course that is probably going to be unlikely but i thought that type of ending with that little theme would be sweet.
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Sumitomo has really stepped up since the Future Trunks arc began. All of his new tracks for this arc have been quite excellent.
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I've never disliked Sumitomo's score as much as others, I even like a lot of his synthesizer tracks too but then again I am a fan of Faulconer's stuff too
His score for the Black arc is hands down his best work though.
His score for the Black arc is hands down his best work though.
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I wish they would do what DBZ did and integrate the movie tracks in the TV anime.
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Well they kinda did that with the buu arc of kai. Sadly though they only used a limited number of the bog tracksnite_jay wrote:I wish they would do what DBZ did and integrate the movie tracks in the TV anime.
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Sumitomo's Dragon Ball score as a whole is technically okay, but it doesn't stand out against every other "epic" orchestral score. It still doesn't sound like "Dragon Ball".
Even with the infringements, I prefer Yamamoto by far, and I didn't think I'd miss his Kai score as much as I have been lately. I also still get nostalgic over his old SNES through PSX game soundtracks.
Even with the infringements, I prefer Yamamoto by far, and I didn't think I'd miss his Kai score as much as I have been lately. I also still get nostalgic over his old SNES through PSX game soundtracks.
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Such a shame that old tracks are still present though. There was this one really good track then immediately we had some cheesy Pilaf music, took me right out that episode.Lord Beerus wrote:Sumitomo has really stepped up since the Future Trunks arc began. All of his new tracks for this arc have been quite excellent.
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It's funny because this actually happened except for CTR.Iberian_Saiyan wrote:Oh, I guess that's why I really fancy the score of Super so much then. I love gaming and Dragon Ball so having these two things come together is quite the treat for me.Lord Beerus wrote:I thought that Sumitomo's score for Super was quite a mixed bag. Quite a few of tracks sound like something that you would hear in Dragon Ball videogame as supposed to what you would hear in a Dragon Ball anime. Track 19 sounds like something I would hear in a promotional video for the 2014 World Cup in Brazil and track 24 and 27 sound like something straight out of Crash Bandicoot. That being said, some of the tracks sound really damn good. Specifically tracks 7, 10, 11, 16, 12, 25, 28, 29, 30, 31 57, 58, 59, 60, 62 and 66 sound really great, and honestly, I think Toei should have just used those tracks for the show because they sound the best.
Someone in Toei really needs to have word in Sumitomo's ear and tell him to focus solely on full orchestral pieces, where he seems to truly shine, as supposed to instead of wasting energy on all the synthesized shit he puts together. I was reminded one too many times of Crash Bandicoot listening to some of these tracks. And while I love Crash Bandicoot, I don't want its type of music anywhere near Dragon Ball in any remote sense.
P.S. I'm tired of seeing that PS4 has so many friggin' PS3 remasters but if Sony remastered Crash Bandicoot 1-3 + CTR (the Mario Kart of PlayStation -- ModNation Racers is 'meh') in HD with online play support that would be so Super!
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I don't think "redeemed" is the best word.
His work in BOG Movie is great.
His work in ROF Movie is trash.
His work in Buu Kai is trash.
His work in Super is great.
He's just a hit or miss composer. Fortunately, he really hit it in Super and FT Trunks arc is just bringing some new gems.
His work in BOG Movie is great.
His work in ROF Movie is trash.
His work in Buu Kai is trash.
His work in Super is great.
He's just a hit or miss composer. Fortunately, he really hit it in Super and FT Trunks arc is just bringing some new gems.
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I don't know, his music is pretty bad or mediocre.
Who redeemed himself for me is Toshihiko Sahashi. His score for Gundam Seed was pretty crazy sometimes and hard to listen to outside the show, but still leagues better than Sumitomo.
His later work in Saint Seiya franchise is pretty good, as he is to Saint Seiya like Kenji Yamamoto was to Dragon Ball in comparisson with Kikuchi.
Sumitomo is probably normally composing these bleak ambient scores for some bad japanese telenovelas, and it is noticeable.
From Super so far, his best tracks for me are definitely the recap with Chala Head Chala and 2 or 3 more tracks. Nothing else is memorable, or good.
Who redeemed himself for me is Toshihiko Sahashi. His score for Gundam Seed was pretty crazy sometimes and hard to listen to outside the show, but still leagues better than Sumitomo.
His later work in Saint Seiya franchise is pretty good, as he is to Saint Seiya like Kenji Yamamoto was to Dragon Ball in comparisson with Kikuchi.
Sumitomo is probably normally composing these bleak ambient scores for some bad japanese telenovelas, and it is noticeable.
From Super so far, his best tracks for me are definitely the recap with Chala Head Chala and 2 or 3 more tracks. Nothing else is memorable, or good.
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Hell no. It's gotten better, but nobody is going to be fondly looking back on his work as a corner stone to the series. He was never gonna be as memorable as Kikuchi, but good lord while he's gotten more fitting BGM lately, none of it is memorable in a good way. It's either forgettable, horrendous that you remember how bad it is, or used enough times its dullness has seared into the brain. Don't get me wrong he does have some good pieces of music. Particularly BOG had some good stuff. His Super work is just so dull. I don't find many scenes where the music actually enhances the moments, but just get's swept under the carpet for not making much of a statement.
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I dunno guys, He's DONE mediocre work for the franchise, but his score for FT Arc in super has been pretty damn memorable.
Chozetzu Dynamic Ballad
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Son Goku vs Black
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Desperate Assault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fa0-eR65vc
Maternal Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIpRkCbRMaQ
Black's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxZOGpdFIJU
All of these are great pieces, and not bland in any way. Perhaps you won't like it cuz it's not Kikuchi or Faulconer, but it's they are definitely damn good.
Chozetzu Dynamic Ballad
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Son Goku vs Black
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Desperate Assault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fa0-eR65vc
Maternal Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIpRkCbRMaQ
Black's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxZOGpdFIJU
All of these are great pieces, and not bland in any way. Perhaps you won't like it cuz it's not Kikuchi or Faulconer, but it's they are definitely damn good.
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I'll take one thing back. The theme that played when Vegeta goes SSJB for both Cabba and Trunks is pretty damn sweet. A good "FUCK YEAH" theme.
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But frankly, none of his RoF or Super music is as dumb and dull like in Dragon Ball Kai - Final Chapters...dbzfan7 wrote:Hell no. It's gotten better, but nobody is going to be fondly looking back on his work as a corner stone to the series. He was never gonna be as memorable as Kikuchi, but good lord while he's gotten more fitting BGM lately, none of it is memorable in a good way. It's either forgettable, horrendous that you remember how bad it is, or used enough times its dullness has seared into the brain. Don't get me wrong he does have some good pieces of music. Particularly BOG had some good stuff. His Super work is just so dull. I don't find many scenes where the music actually enhances the moments, but just get's swept under the carpet for not making much of a statement.
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Yeah nothing is as bad as Kai 2.0's ost. It makes me actually want a replacement soundtrack from the western branch, and I shouldn't want that.MCDaveG wrote:But frankly, none of his RoF or Super music is as dumb and dull like in Dragon Ball Kai - Final Chapters...dbzfan7 wrote:Hell no. It's gotten better, but nobody is going to be fondly looking back on his work as a corner stone to the series. He was never gonna be as memorable as Kikuchi, but good lord while he's gotten more fitting BGM lately, none of it is memorable in a good way. It's either forgettable, horrendous that you remember how bad it is, or used enough times its dullness has seared into the brain. Don't get me wrong he does have some good pieces of music. Particularly BOG had some good stuff. His Super work is just so dull. I don't find many scenes where the music actually enhances the moments, but just get's swept under the carpet for not making much of a statement.
That was like some café pub aspiring artist jamming on casio, before someone threw him out...
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