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Post by Black_Liger » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:48 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Aaaaaaand Sumitomo f**cking killed it!!! I love this guy now.
I swear oh my god, did he wrote the insert song or atleast arrange it?? because some parts of it blended so freaking well with his orchestra style.


ALSO. THE GENKIDAMA THEME OMG
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:56 am

Black_Liger wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Aaaaaaand Sumitomo f**cking killed it!!! I love this guy now.
I swear oh my god, did he wrote the insert song or atleast arrange it?? because some parts of it blended so freaking well with his orchestra style.


ALSO. THE GENKIDAMA THEME OMG
Sumitomo's compositions in the Universal Survival arc, have been nothing short of excellent. Episode 109 really has some of his best work since he started composing scores for Dragon Ball.

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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:07 pm

It's definitely an all-around better score, and I certainly don't mind the arrangements compared with what came before...

But this still isn't Dragon Ball to me. Some of the jazzy pieces sorta kinda approach it, but only in the way that Yamamoto/Tower of Power compositions only kinda approach the same thing, except now it's by proxy two generations back.

I still feel like I'm watching someone else's interpretation of Dragon Ball, rather than actual Dragon Ball. And in many ways, that's exactly what it is, so I can't entirely fault them for delivering a thing that is the thing it's supposed to be.

I still keep thinking back to some of those tracks in little ol' Dragon Ball Fusions on 3DS, though. In all my years involved with this franchise, that was the only experience where my jaw dropped and this unbelievable joy just swelled up. THAT was Dragon Ball music, and it's crazy that a portable video game was the thing to do it, rather than the actual animated product.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:48 pm

VegettoEX wrote:It's definitely an all-around better score, and I certainly don't mind the arrangements compared with what came before...

But this still isn't Dragon Ball to me. Some of the jazzy pieces sorta kinda approach it, but only in the way that Yamamoto/Tower of Power compositions only kinda approach the same thing, except now it's by proxy two generations back.

I still feel like I'm watching someone else's interpretation of Dragon Ball, rather than actual Dragon Ball. And in many ways, that's exactly what it is, so I can't entirely fault them for delivering a thing that is the thing it's supposed to be.

I still keep thinking back to some of those tracks in little ol' Dragon Ball Fusions on 3DS, though. In all my years involved with this franchise, that was the only experience where my jaw dropped and this unbelievable joy just swelled up. THAT was Dragon Ball music, and it's crazy that a portable video game was the thing to do it, rather than the actual animated product.
I understand why you feel that way. Sumitomo's score certainly sound very Hollywood blockbuster film-esque, as supposed to something you'd hear in an martial arts TV show. But I don't find that as an inherently bad thing. It's still mostly good music, but I would certainly agree that it's not something you would attribute to hearing in wuxia influenced story like Dragon Ball.

Just out of curiosity: who did make the music for Dragon Ball Fusions?

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Post by Super Saiyan Swagger » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:29 pm

This just might be my favourite Sumitomo track in all of Super. It went so well with the action and had me on the edge of my seat. That scene was amazing.

I'm also so happy that they finally used the slow orchestral version of Limit Break x Survivor right before Goku went to attack Jiren while using Ultra Distinct. We haven't heard that track since it was first introduced in Episode 84.

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Post by Melee_Sovereign » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:37 pm

Can someone tell me the name of the track at 0:08 of this clip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T40LO49XQOQ

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Melee_Sovereign wrote:Can someone tell me the name of the track at 0:08 of this clip?

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Post by Melee_Sovereign » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:11 am

Naruto6583 wrote:
Melee_Sovereign wrote:Can someone tell me the name of the track at 0:08 of this clip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T40LO49XQOQ
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Thank you! Do you know which composer it is?

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Post by Naruto6583 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:32 am

Melee_Sovereign wrote:
Naruto6583 wrote:
Melee_Sovereign wrote:Can someone tell me the name of the track at 0:08 of this clip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T40LO49XQOQ
Here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0lP_pXP8Po&t=2s Also known as mystery contestant shin
Thank you! Do you know which composer it is?
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Post by Ripper 30 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:45 pm

VegettoEX wrote:It's definitely an all-around better score, and I certainly don't mind the arrangements compared with what came before...

But this still isn't Dragon Ball to me. Some of the jazzy pieces sorta kinda approach it, but only in the way that Yamamoto/Tower of Power compositions only kinda approach the same thing, except now it's by proxy two generations back.

I still feel like I'm watching someone else's interpretation of Dragon Ball, rather than actual Dragon Ball. And in many ways, that's exactly what it is, so I can't entirely fault them for delivering a thing that is the thing it's supposed to be.

I still keep thinking back to some of those tracks in little ol' Dragon Ball Fusions on 3DS, though. In all my years involved with this franchise, that was the only experience where my jaw dropped and this unbelievable joy just swelled up. THAT was Dragon Ball music, and it's crazy that a portable video game was the thing to do it, rather than the actual animated product.
Yamamoto's Kai Score did had some wuxia feel in it but what's your Opinion on Hiroshi Takaki Score?
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Post by superfan2024 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:09 pm

Noah wrote: Zamasu Theme when the Gods were talking about Goku sudden power-up :D
A beat was added to Zamasu's theme. That remix was also used in the Super clips of Fuji TV's history of Japan special a few weeks ago.

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Post by majinwarman » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:59 pm

VegettoEX wrote:It's definitely an all-around better score, and I certainly don't mind the arrangements compared with what came before...

But this still isn't Dragon Ball to me. Some of the jazzy pieces sorta kinda approach it, but only in the way that Yamamoto/Tower of Power compositions only kinda approach the same thing, except now it's by proxy two generations back.

I still feel like I'm watching someone else's interpretation of Dragon Ball, rather than actual Dragon Ball. And in many ways, that's exactly what it is, so I can't entirely fault them for delivering a thing that is the thing it's supposed to be.

I still keep thinking back to some of those tracks in little ol' Dragon Ball Fusions on 3DS, though. In all my years involved with this franchise, that was the only experience where my jaw dropped and this unbelievable joy just swelled up. THAT was Dragon Ball music, and it's crazy that a portable video game was the thing to do it, rather than the actual animated product.
I understand your opinion, but it doesn't mean I hate this track given to us. Yes, I would want the soundtrack that made sub fans jump in joy, made us cry, or feel hype. But, the music in Super has gotten much better since the retelling arcs like the writing. So to me, different isn't something bad.
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Post by Noah » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:55 pm

As someone who claims Kikuchi score is the soul of Dragon Ball. I can recognize the great work done by the composers who came next, Tokunaga score in GT was really good just as Yamamoto in Kai 1.0, but too bad he was caught in plagiarism. Never was much a fan of Sumitomo as most of his tracks were forgettable to me, but I started to appreciate his work more in the Champa arc and of course in the Future Trunks arc where he produced soundtracks that fit perfectly with the tone of the arc. I'm also loving his work in the current arc.
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Post by Black_Liger » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:43 pm

The Genkidama Theme by Sumitomo is really Tokunaga levels of emotional main theme orchestrations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgWDYeXDCS4

Freaking perfect.

And the "All out Battle" track, the first part that plays when Jiren first powers up.... damn son, That's some SERIOUS FRENCH HORN AND STRING PLAY RIGHT THERE, You can almost hear Ganondorf's theme popping out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY-nCNFb7fA&t=51s
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Post by Noah » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:45 pm

I could identify a new track by the time Gohan and Piccolo came out to fight the U6 namekians.
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Post by Luso Saiyan » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:12 pm

Black_Liger wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgWDYeXDCS4

Freaking perfect.
Those first 20 seconds of build up are definitely epic (in the true sense of the word, which sadly has almost lost its meaning due to how overused it is). Super has some great orchestral tracks and in the right moments they do make the scenes special.

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Post by Noah » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:29 pm

It was a nice too hear again the Kai 2.0 tracks that were also present in the final episodes of the Future Trunks arc and I spotted a new track when Goku and Vegeta were along in this episode
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Post by SmugStick » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:52 am

I think Sumitomo’s gotten better. I do enjoy a lot of his newer songs but I’m getting tired of the “epic hollygood chorus” that he uses.

As far as the Survival arc goes, I loved the insert song from 110, Goku’s transformation. What’s the name for it? Anyone know?
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Post by Black_Liger » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:02 am

[quote="SmugStick"I’m getting tired of the “epic hollygood chorus” that he uses[/quote]

Why do you find the choirs annoying? the story is not a kungfu adventure anymore, vibraslaps are not needed anymore because we are literally into the realm of gods and angels. Besides even Kikuchi used choir (but much less, and one of his most emotional tracks has a synth choir) And non of the new themes in the Universal Survival arc has had choir anyways.
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Post by SmugStick » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:08 am

Why do you find the choirs annoying? the story is not a kungfu adventure anymore, vibraslaps are not needed anymore because we are literally into the realm of gods and angels. Besides even Kikuchi used choir (but much less, and one of his most emotional tracks has a synth choir) And non of the new themes in the Universal Survival arc has had choir anyways.[/quote]


I feel them overused. The music placement also isn’t as good. Also, in ep 109/110 there was a chorus theme for the new form of I’m not mistaken, but I bought that fit well there. Anyways, I don’t think it’s about the story that is being told, it’s just that it is more generic than that of Z. Even GT aid say had a different yet memorable soundtrack. The only thing that is memorable about this is Omen to Victory but let’s not talk about that.
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