Kai episode 3

Post by **Herms** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:04 pm

Well, since Mike hasn't started an official Kai episode 3 thread, I'm going to start a thread of my own, and then later when Mike comes around he can just move it to the Kai forum, or merge it into the official thread.

This episode covered a whopping 5 chapters, 200-204!

200
In the manga, Piccolo repeats Raditz’s statement about the other two Saiyans being even stronger, and Goku says “I wish I hadn’t heard that”. In Kai these two lines have been combined, so that Goku is the one to say the other two Saiyans are stronger.

There's an added Raditz line after Goku says that rather than being excited at the prospect of two Saiyans stronger than even Raditz, he's merely trembling in fear. Raditz then says that this is only natural, but that this feeling will soon turn into despair.

After Raditz easily clobbers Goku and Piccolo and blows Piccolo’s arm off, he originally has a line saying how they’re still no match, even fighting two against one.

All of chapter 200 was covered by 9:09 (keep in mind the program didn’t even start until 9:02, and there was the opening and some brief commercials too)

Piccolo is slightly more polite to Goku in Kai. In the manga, he simply tells Goku to draw Raditz’s attention as he gathers energy for the Makankosappo (chuui wo hikitsukero), while in Kai he actually asks him (chuui wo hikitsuketekure).

Piccolo’s line telling Goku to stand firm is left out (it’s right after Goku says he’ll go try and hold Raditz off).

Raditz’s comment on Goku and Piccolo’s laughter was cut out. They left out Raditz reading Goku’s Kamehameha as being 924, and commenting on how Goku can concentrate his battle power into a single point. All that's left in is him saying that Goku's battle power is rising as he charges the Kamehameha.

201 is finished by 9:12!

202

Piccolo’s comment on how fast Raditz is gets cut (this first line in that panel, where he says “He dodged it!”, is left in though).

Raditz commenting on the Makankosappo being quite a technique, and saying that he would have been out if he had taken it head on is removed. His line right before, where he comments on it being able to easily pierce his armor, was still in though. Raditz saying he’s done playing around, Piccolo saying “is this the end?”, and then Raditz saying “I’ll wipe you out in one blast” were also removed.

As Raditz is begging Goku to let him go, saying that he’ll leave quietly, in Kai Goku asks Raditz is he means it, while in the manga he never says anything the whole time.

202 is finished by 9:15, just in time for the eye-catch. That’s 3 whole chapters before the eye-catch!

203

Piccolo shouting "Son Goku's--!!" as Gohan bursts out of Raditz's ship was left out.

One bit of filler that was left in is that while in the manga, Goku grabs on to Raditz before he gets anywhere near Gohan (right after Raditz says that the two will reunite in the afterlife), in Z and Kai he gets right up to Gohan and is preparing to blast him before Goku grabs him, with his hand sparkling with energy and everything. He also has an extra line in Z and Kai, where he says Gohan is the only one to ever damage him this much, but that this will be the end of it.

The bit of dialouge where Piccolo asks Goku why he didn't just grab Raditz's tail again, Goku answers that Raditz can cut it off if he feels like it, and Raditz shouts "you knew?!" is cut.

After Piccolo tells Goku that he won't hesitate to kill Goku along with Raditz, since Goku dying is exactly what he wants, in the manga he thinks to himself about how Goku's friends can just revive him with the dragonballs.

As Raditz is begging Goku to let him go again, in Kai he asks why Goku won’t believe his own brother (I can think of a few reasons…).

203 is done by 9:21

204

In Z and Kai, but no the manga, after finishing off Raditz, Piccolo tells Goku that Raditz is dead.

When the scene switches to Vegeta and Nappa off in space, in the manga there’s a narration box saying “the far reaches of space”. There’s no corresponding narration in Kai, or even any equivalent establishing shot of space or the planet Vegeta and Nappa are on. I think that's a same, since it makes the switch to Raditz seem really abrupt.

Vegeta’s colors have been corrected! They weren’t in the last episode, but then he was only way in the background for about 2 seconds.

In the manga, as Vegeta is talking about the dragonballs, he says that it seems they can grant any wish. In Kai this line is given to Nappa, I guess to make him a more active participant in this scene.

Kai ends the scene with Vegeta and Nappa as Vegeta proposes that they go to Earth and use the dragonballs to wish for eternal youth, so that they can enjoy battle forever. This leaves out the scene where they discuss Earthling/Saiyan hybrids in their space pods. Perhaps this scene will be in the next episode?

This episode ends with Goku dying, leaving out the last page of this chapter, where his body vanishes, Piccolo says that Kami must be planning to use Goku again, and Vegeta and Nappa go to sleep in their space pods. These scenes might be in the next episode. This makes episode 3 the first episode of Kai to not end exactly where a manga chapter does, though it’s still close to the chapter’s ending.

204 ends around...I didn't write it down. 9:27? That's when the ending started, I think.

Next episode

The next episode preview showed scenes from chapters 205 and 206, so it will cover at least two chapters.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:08 pm

As I said in another thread, I really liked this episode, and this semi-arc in general. Very fast paced.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:21 pm

5 Chapters? Wow, they are fitting more and more chapters into the episodes. Did this one seem really rushed?

Post by **Herms** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:38 pm

Well, this one had a lot of fighting, so I think the even faster pace suited it. And things really slow down in the second half, especailly for Raditz and Goku's death scenes, so I think it worked OK.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:38 pm

After the episode aired I popped in DBZ 4 and 5. Man, the original is so much better it's not even funny, and I'm not talking about censoring blood either. The original fight actually had lots of tension, especially when Gohan was busting out of the capsule. I barely knew what the hell was going on in Kai, and I've seen these episodes dozens of times. Shit was just happening...

It's nice that they're getting through stuff quickly, but for God's sake, you still have to hook the audience. It's like this happened, then that happened, then Goku was dead, then the episode was over. We barely have time to take in what's going on. Disappointing.

Post by **Herms** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:44 pm

Oh yeah, I forgot to put down the title for episode 4: "Goku Runs in the Afterlife! The Million Kilometer Serpent Road".

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:48 pm

Herms wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to put down the title for episode 4: "Goku Runs in the Afterlife! The Million Kilometer Serpent Road".

"Kilometer"? Was it a million Kilometers in the original episodes as well? I thought it was miles.

(very trivial I know)

Post by **Herms** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:51 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:"Kilometer"? Was it a million Kilometers in the original episodes as well? I thought it was miles.

(very trivial I know)

It's always been a million kilometers. The don't use miles in Japan. I know Viz kept it as kilometers, but maybe the Funi dub changed it to miles (which would make poor Goku have to run a whole lot further).

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:54 pm

Which is, for anyone who's curious, equal to 621,371 miles.

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:56 pm

How badly was the episode censored?

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:57 pm

Didn't look too bad, although I'm pretty sure the SBC through the chest should've left more than a bruise on Goku.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:59 pm

Dr. Casey wrote:Which is, for anyone who's curious, equal to 621,371 miles.

Thank you for the diagnosis Dr.

Herms wrote:
Kid Trunks wrote:"Kilometer"? Was it a million Kilometers in the original episodes as well? I thought it was miles.
It's always been a million kilometers. The don't use miles in Japan. I know Viz kept it as kilometers, but maybe the Funi dub changed it to miles (which would make poor Goku have to run a whole lot further).

Okay then. As far is Funi is concerned, I'm almost certain they changed it to 10,000 miles in the original Ocean dub. That's probably where I got the idea from.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:01 pm

DBW wrote:After the episode aired I popped in DBZ 4 and 5. Man, the original is so much better it's not even funny, and I'm not talking about censoring blood either. The original fight actually had lots of tension, especially when Gohan was busting out of the capsule. I barely knew what the hell was going on in Kai, and I've seen these episodes dozens of times. Shit was just happening...

It's nice that they're getting through stuff quickly, but for God's sake, you still have to hook the audience. It's like this happened, then that happened, then Goku was dead, then the episode was over. We barely have time to take in what's going on. Disappointing.

For the sake of people who don't like the pace so far, hopefully this is all because the first several episodes didn't have a lot to cut outside of Gohan getting lost in the woods. They had to do something to make it different than DBZ or otherwise people would just say, "Well, it's just DBZ with less vertical frame." Hopefully, now that we're going to be getting knee-deep in filler in the Saiyan arc, waist-deep in filler in the Freeza arc, neck-deep in filler in the Android/Cell arc, and completely submerged in filler for the Boo arc they can lighten up a bit and pace things a bit more smoothly.

With so much non-manga stuff to cut away after this point, they don't have to cram so much into an episode to make it seem different. I have a feeling that I'll like episode 3 once I see it as I've liked everything so far and that they'll be going about half the speed I read the Raditz fight chapters at. However, I still want to see others like it and hopefully Toei notices that they don't have to throw so much at you at once after this point.

EDIT: Just noticed from a screenshot: They fixed Vegeta's colors!

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:01 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Didn't look too bad, although I'm pretty sure the SBC through the chest should've left more than a bruise on Goku.

It looked like the kind of mark you'd get from being hit by a lightning bolt to me. Like it fried his insides on the way through. It could have looked more fatal, though.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:03 pm

Bussani wrote:
Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Didn't look too bad, although I'm pretty sure the SBC through the chest should've left more than a bruise on Goku.
It looked like the kind of mark you'd get from being hit by a lightning bolt to me. Like it fried his insides on the way through. It could have looked more fatal, though.

True, but I remember them showing the beam go THROUGH Goku, so, I was expecting some sort of hole.

Post by **Herms** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:04 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Didn't look too bad, although I'm pretty sure the SBC through the chest should've left more than a bruise on Goku.

It's actually not too different from what it looks like in the manga. There's blood dripping from Goku's wound when he asks Raditz when the other Saiyans will arrive, but other than that one panel there's hardly any blood blood shown around it.

Kendamu wrote:Hopefully, now that we're going to be getting knee-deep in filler in the Saiyan arc, waist-deep in filler in the Freeza arc, neck-deep in filler in the Android/Cell arc, and completely submerged in filler for the Boo arc

I don't think there's anywhere near as much filler in the android/Cell and Buu arcs as there is in the Saiyan and Freeza ones.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:07 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:
Bussani wrote:
Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Didn't look too bad, although I'm pretty sure the SBC through the chest should've left more than a bruise on Goku.
It looked like the kind of mark you'd get from being hit by a lightning bolt to me. Like it fried his insides on the way through. It could have looked more fatal, though.
True, but I remember them showing the beam go THROUGH Goku, so, I was expecting some sort of hole.

That's what I mean. When lightning goes through you, it doesn't leave a gaping hole. I'm not saying that's how ki should work, it's just the impression I got from the result of this attack itself.

I think they should have made the wound look worse, but like Herms said, it's not much different to the manga.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:08 pm

Bussani wrote:
Saiyavenger2941 wrote:
Bussani wrote: It looked like the kind of mark you'd get from being hit by a lightning bolt to me. Like it fried his insides on the way through. It could have looked more fatal, though.
True, but I remember them showing the beam go THROUGH Goku, so, I was expecting some sort of hole.
That's what I mean. When lightning goes through you, it doesn't leave a gaping hole. I'm not saying that's how ki should work, it's just the impression I got from the result of this attack itself.

I think they should have made the wound look worse, but like Herms said, it's not much different to the manga.

Ah, I see what you mean now.

As for the question of censoring, and their want to speed things up, I wonder how much will be cut from Freeza fucking up Vegeta.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:14 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:As for the question of censoring, and their want to speed things up, I wonder how much will be cut from Freeza fucking up Vegeta.

My guess would be, probably just what was in the manga. A lot of that scene was filler.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:34 pm

What I liked:

How they handled Piccolo killing Raditz. Originally Piccolo does that claw move, then they show a scene of Chi-Chi in her house coming to the conclusion that Goku is taking too long. In Kai, if just flows a lot better...

Re-coloring of Vegeta's armor. Now what are we gonna do with our "Vegeta in alternate color armor" action figures and key chains?!

Things I didn't like...

Covering up Goku's hole... I'am a little on the fence about this. I know some people say it was originally a black blur in the manga but, I don't know... seems odd to me.

And this just seemed awkward to me. When Krillin is yelling to Goku and he is not responding he has this look on his face...

Ooof.

Edit: Just screen capped some shots where blood was taken out.

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