Kai finishing at 100 episodes - is it even possible?

[ThunderPX]

Well, Kai is running at twice the pace of Kai at the moment.

Is that like the time Cell beat Cell?

[Kendamu]

Well, Kai is running at twice the pace of Kai at the moment.

Is that like the time Cell beat Cell?

No. It's more like that time Recoome fought Recoome. Get your facts straight, n00b!

[Tsukento]

2-episode Garlic Jr. arc. OSHI-

But seriously, I would imagine that if you chopped out the Garlic Jr. arc, the Cell saga filler (including the Cell Games preparations, like with Goku and Gohan running into Tao Pai Pai each), the Afterlife Tournament, reduce the Great Saiyaman filler and some of the end of the Boo saga (how many times did we need to hear the narrator review the events of Babidi and Boo before each of those episodes, long after they were done?) and you should have a nice amount by 100 or so.

[ThunderPX]

Recapping stuff that happened a while ago makes more sense than the flashbacks to the previous episode that happen all the time in the Buu arc. Those are annoying as hell.

[Tsukento]

It's more or less the same thing, just in different spots. One can only take so much of seeing Majin Boo being killed in the recaps when the episodes are focused on the times of peace.

[Treklin]

I think Kai finish between episodes 140-150 ...
if they cut 50% off of dbz so it would be end at episode 145 or so ...
the cell saga ends in dbz with episode 199 so 50% cut off means in dbk episode 98/99 ...!!!

Freeza Saga was around 50 episodes (1-54) (54 episodes) episode 107 in dbz / 2 = 54

Cell Saga would be also around 50 episodes (55-99) (45 episodes) episode 199 in dbz / 2 = 99

Majin Buu Saga will be also around 50 episodes (100-145) (46 episodes) episode 291 in dbz / 2 = 145

my conclusion:
kai finishing at 145 episodes ...

happinets update with the 99 episodes was the announcement in which episode the cell saga ends and not in which
episode kai end...

[Puto]

The Boo arc actually had a flashback inside a flashback of all things. I remember because the double-flashback filter made the spanish dbox footage look like crap in that one flashback.

[Hujio]

Freeza Saga was around 50 episodes (1-54) (54 episodes) episode 107 in dbz / 2 = 54

Cell Saga would be also around 50 episodes (55-99) (45 episodes) episode 199 in dbz / 2 = 99

Majin Buu Saga will be also around 50 episodes (100-145) (46 episodes) episode 291 in dbz / 2 = 145

Are you trying to steal my thunder?

I'm not sure I agree with 140+ episodes, but I suppose it's possible. I'll stick with around 125 episodes, but that's just me.

[Treklin]

ok hujio,

let us bet for fun :

i say db kai end with episode 145 and youve said around 125?! am i right ?

if you have nothing to concretize then I ll say: top. the bet counts!

[JulieYBM]

Well, let's assume episode 54 covers Dragon Ball Z episodes 106-107. Going from there:

Episode 55: 118-119 (ends with Trunks arriving)
Episode 56: 120-121 (Trunks slaughters Freeza and Cold; Trunks tells the gang he plans on waiting for Son)
Episode 57: 122-123 (Gokû arrives, learns about the future and shows off his Instantaneous Movement)
Episode 58: 126-127 (Gokû and gang meet up again; the episode ends with Gokû becoming a Super Saiyan)
Episode 59: 128-129 (Gokû's heart fails, so Super Saiyan Vegeta arrives)
Episode 60: 130-131 (After disposing of #19 the hunt for #20 begins)
Episode 61: 132-134 (#20 manages to make it to his lab and activates #17 and #18)
Episode 62: 135-136 (Vegeta and the others get owned by the Artificial Humans)
Episode 63: 137-138 (After licking their wounds the gang decides to retreat; Piccolo decides he must remerge with God)
Episode 64: 139-140 (a second Time Machine is found...what does it mean?)
Episode 65: 141-142 (Piccolo and God become one again and take on Norio Wakamoto, who unveils he knows the KameHame-Ha!!)
Episode 66: 143-144 (Piccolo gets some info out of Wakamoto but the cat-tongued voice actor escapes before he can be killed)
Episode 67: 145-146 (Kuririn and Trunks check out Gero's lab again and Son finally awakens!)
Episode 68: 147-148 (The Saiyans go to the Room of Spirit and Time, meanwhile Cell senses #17 and Piccolo battling it out)
Episode 69: 149-151 (Cell arrives, but Piccolo fails to stop him, so #16 steps in)
Episode 70: 152-154 (#17 is lost to Cell, so #16 and #18 R-U-N-N-O-F-T. Meanwhile, Trunks and Vegeta emerge from the Room of Spirit and Time)
Episode 71: 155-157 (Super Vegeta pounds on Cell)
Episode 72: 158-160 (Kuririn just can't turn off #18; Wakamoto is complete)
Episode 73: 161-162 (Vegeta gets beaten around by the completed Cell until Trunks begins to transform into Super Saiyan Grade 3)
Episode 74: 163-165 (Trunks fails to defeat Cell, but the monster now wants to see how much stronger he can get...so he decides to hold a tournament!!)
Episode 75: 166-168 (Gokû and Gohan emerge and Gokû meets the completed Cell)
Episode 76: 169-174 (Gokû recruits Dende to be the God of Earth)
Episode 77: 175-176 (Mr. Satan steps into the fight against Cell)
Episode 78: 177-179 (Gokû and Cell duke it out and the ring is destroyed)
Episode 79: 179-180 (After a full power KameHame-Ha fails to stop Cell, Gokû gives up)
Episode 80: 181-183 (Gohan takes over for his dad, but Cell unleashes his Cell Juniors to stir his anger)
Episode 81: 183-184 (Gohan is knocked over the edge at last when #16 is destroyed, transforming into a Super Saiyan 2)
Episode 82: 185-187 (Gohan knocks Cell around, overcoming him in a KameHame-Ha struggle and leaving him in pieces)
Episode 83: 187-188 (Cell reverts to his second form, decides to blow himself up, returns and kills Trunks)
Episode 84: 189-191 (Gohan defeats Cell with one last KameHame-Ha)
Episode 85: 192-194 (Shen Long grants wishes, Trunks goes home and frees his future)
Episode 86: 200-201 (Gohan goes to high school! Also, he becomes the superhero the Great Saiyaman and meets Mr. Satan's daughter, Videl!)
Episode 87: 202-204 (Videl learns of Gohan's secret, and blackmails him into participating in the Tenka'ichi)
Episode 88: 205-206 (Gokû wants to participate in the Tenka'ichi too; Goten is a Super Saiyan?!)
Episode 89: 207-208 (Videl and Goten learn buku-jutsu. Vegeta learns Trunks and Goten are Super Saiyans. Goten and Gokû meet!!)
Episode 90: 209-211 (the prelims end quickly and Trunks and Goten move up to the final match of the junior division)
Episode 91: 211-213 (Trunks beats Goten, Trunks fights Mr. Satan, and Gokû and friends comes across two mysterious competitors...)
Episode 92: 214-215 (the fights are set, Kuririn wins his fight, but Piccolo surrenders his?)
Episode 93: 216-217 (Videl is beaten to hell in her match)
Episode 94: 218-219 (Videl recovers thanks to Senzu; Gohan's ki is stolen during his match)
Episode 95: 220-221 (The gang follow Spopovitch and Yamu to a space ship in the ground; Piccolo and Kuririn are turned to stone, and Kibito killed; Vegeta begins his fight with Pui Pui)
Episode 96: 222-223 (Vegeta kills Pui Pui and Gokû kills Yakon)
episode 97: 224-225 (The Tenka'ichi finishes up after Gokû and gang left)
Episode 98: 226-227 (Gohan and Dabra fight, but Dabra cuts it short)
Episode 99: 228-229 (Vegeta becomes Majin Vegeta and Gokû finally decides to fight him while Gohan and Kaiôshin decide to attack Babidi)
Episode 100: 230-232 (Gokû and Vegeta fight, meanwhile as Gohan confronts Babidi and Dabra, Majin Boo hatches!!)
Episode 101: 233-235 (Majin Boo takes Gohan, Dabra, and Kaiôshin out of commission, meanwhile Vegeta arrives and promises to destroy Majin Boo)
Episode 102: 236-237 (Vegeta fights Majin Boo, but must use his Final Attack to finish him off, the episode ends with Vegeta dying)
Episode 103: 238-240 (Gokû awakens, the Dragon Balls are used, and Gokû brings his friends to the Heavenly Realm)
Episode 104: 241-243 (Gohan is brought to the Kaiôshin realm to remove the Z-Sword)
Episode 105: 244-245 (Trunks searches for the Dragon Radar as Super Saiyan 3 Gokû fights with Boo)
Episode 106: 246-247 (Trunks finds the Radar, so Gokû leaves the fight; Boo kills Babidi and the Fusion training continues)
Episode 107: 248-250 (Gokû returns to the Afterlife, helps Gohan with his training, the Z-Sword breaks, and the older Kaiôshin begins to power up Gohan)
Episode 108: 251-252 (Gotenks is born and Mr. Satan befriends Majin Boo)
Episode 109: 253-254 (Bee is shot by two gunmen and Evil Boo is born, killing the two gunmen)
Episode 110: 255-256 (Good Boo and Evil Boo fight, Evil Boo eats Good Boo and becomes Super Boo, who then destroys all of humanity)
Episode 111: 257-258 (Gotenks and Boo fight!!)
episode 112: 259-261 (Piccolo destroys the exist from the Room of Spirit and Time, Boo escapes, then Gotenks unleashes Super Saiyan 3. With their friends outside killed, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks pounds on Majin Boo across the planet)
Episode 113: 262-264 (Gotenks seperates, Gohan arrives and pounds on Boo until he escapes; the gang find Dende alive, and Super Boo reappears to challenge Gotenks again)
Episodes 114: 265-266 (Boo absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo, Gokû returns to life to fuse with Gohan!)
Episode 115: 267-268 (Gohan is absorbed by Boo, forcing Gokû to fuse with a temporarily revived Vegeta)
Episode 116: 269-272 (Vegetto pounds on Majin Boo, but is absorbed by him)
Episode 117: 273-276 (Vegetto seperates within Boo. The two Saiyans free their friends and escape from Boo)
Episode 118: 277-279 (Boo reverts back to his original, smaller form. Kaiôshin brings Gokû, Vegeta, and Mr. Satan to his world, but Boo soon follows after destroying Earth. Gokû battles with Boo, but must quickly unleash Super Saiyan 3)
Episode 119: 280-282 (Vegeta finally admits Gokû is Number One, so he tells him he'll buy him some time to power up to full power, however Son soon falls back to his normal form)
Episode 120: 283-285 (Vegeta tells Son to form a Genk-Dama, Polunga restores the Earth and its people)
Episode 121: 286-288 (Gokû's ki is restore with the final wish and he finally defeats Majin Boo)
Episode 122: 289-291 (Ten years later...Gokû takes off to train with Oob)

But...I could be wrong...

[Kendamu]

Freeza Saga was around 50 episodes (1-54) (54 episodes) episode 107 in dbz / 2 = 54

Cell Saga would be also around 50 episodes (55-99) (45 episodes) episode 199 in dbz / 2 = 99

Majin Buu Saga will be also around 50 episodes (100-145) (46 episodes) episode 291 in dbz / 2 = 145

Are you trying to steal my thunder?

I'm not sure I agree with 140+ episodes, but I suppose it's possible. I'll stick with around 125 episodes, but that's just me.

Really? 150-ish? The Jinzouningen arc takes up about half as many volumes as the Saiyan and Freeza arc put together. So... going with the idea that the Saiyan/Freeza arcs make 54 episodes, the Jinzouningen arc should be closer to 30 episodes. The Boo arc has just about as many volumes as the Jinzouningen arc so that's another 30-ish episodes.

I'd say 120 would be a more realistic estimate.

[Treklin]

I think Kai finish between episodes 140-150 ...
if they cut 50% off of dbz so it would be end at episode 145 or so ...
the cell saga ends in dbz with episode 199 so 50% cut off means in dbk episode 98/99 ...!!!

Freeza Saga was around 50 episodes (1-54) (54 episodes) episode 107 in dbz / 2 = 54

Cell Saga would be also around 50 episodes (55-99) (45 episodes) episode 199 in dbz / 2 = 99

Majin Buu Saga will be also around 50 episodes (100-145) (46 episodes) episode 291 in dbz / 2 = 145

my conclusion:
kai finishing at 145 episodes ...

happinets update with the 99 episodes was the announcement in which episode the cell saga ends and not in which
episode kai end...

i have one more idea:

there are 49 dragonball z individual disc releases with each 6 episodes http://www.kanzentai.com/dvd.php?id=dbz

if db kai would have 49 individual disc releases too (at the moment 33 volumes are official) and we know that db kai dvd volume has each 3 episodes so at the end will be 49 volumes x 3 episodes = 147 episodes of db kai !!

my conclusion now is not 145! now its 147 !! ^^

what do u think ??? i think its very posible ... because dbkai is dbz!

if i am right then:

001-054 - Freeza Saga (54 Episodes)
055-099 - Cell Saga (45 Episodes)
100-147 - Buu Saga (48 Episodes)

Average Episodes per Saga 49.

This would complete the whole Dragonball Saga to 300 episodes:

153 Episodes Dragonball which is mostly manga-centric
147 Episodes Dragonball Z/KAI which is now manga-centric too

+ Dragonball GT with 65 episodes (including tv special) would make 365 ...and this makes a complete 1 year!

[Amigo Ten]

I could see the Cell arc being cut down to about 30-35 episodes pretty easily.

[Hujio]

*snipped text*

I know you're coming up with all these great calculations that are drawn out and look like some in-depth math problem, but really, you're just splitting the series in half and calling it a day. I really don't think they're going to approach 150 episodes. Just looking at the Artificial Humans arc, there's no way they're going to make that almost 50 episodes long. In Z it was ~70 episodes, so even if you half that it's only 35 episodes. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though, because so far we're all just speculating.

[DbzFanboy]

I say Kai's run will end with 150 eps more or less. The buu arc is just too long to cut down to fit into 25 eps. I also doubt they will skip over garlic junior, they will most likely give us a very fast paced version of it. Also you guys have to remember that rushing dbz's story too much would decrease quality, I certainly don't want to lose the one main thing I love about dbz and that is the parts that make you really know the characters more

[Herms]

I also doubt they will skip over garlic junior, they will most likely give us a very fast paced version of it.

Why wouldn't they skip it?

[DbzFanboy]

I say they wont skip over it because they have been putting in filler material like for example why did they start off the very first ep with 10 minutes of Bardock and dragon ball flashback filler? I could be wrong but I believe they will keep Garlic junior in there some way or another. I could be completely wrong because they are promoting it as more close to Toriyama's original story so who knows.

[ThunderPX]

They put in the flashback to explain the story better, since they skipped over the entirety of Dragon Ball. And since the audience finds out Goku is an alien at the beginning of the Z era anyway, plus the fact that Bardock is (at least to some extent) canon, why not put that in either?
On the other hand, the Garlic Jr. arc is a boring, poorly animated plothole that new fans wouldn't understand since they wouldn't have seen DBZ movie 1.

[Amigo Ten]

The stuff in the first episode was there to give the story context and pull various elements of the story together in a way that Z could never have done. If you look at where the series is at now, and then go back to first episode, the whole series has been building to this point where Goku fights Freeza.

[Hujio]

I also doubt they will skip over garlic junior, they will most likely give us a very fast paced version of it.

Why wouldn't they skip it?

For the record, but not that it is anything really definitive, they did cut the Garlic Jr. arc out of the TV animation comics. And so far the two releases seem to mirror each other pretty well. So I don't think it's out of the question that they'd cut the arc. In fact, I personally would be shocked if they left it in.

I say Kai's run will end with 150 eps more or less. The buu arc is just too long to cut down to fit into 25 eps.

I don't believe anyone ever said they'd try and fit the Buu arc into 25 episodes. That'd be ridiculous! My personal guess was it'd be somewhere around 40-45 episodes.