Thing is, they began airing Kai on Kix in early 2012, right?
Wrong, early 2013 with the premiere being in December 2012
NitroEX wrote:I don't think the CRTC approval holds much importance in getting the show on air outside of Canada, it wouldn't be something a UK channel would be concerned about let alone need to wait for. And this is something that has been demonstrated in the past with the Canadian version of Z starting to air in Western Europe before showing up on Canadian TV.
The CRTC approval date gives us a timeframe by which the post-production would have been finished. It was approved in April 2014, so it was likely finshed around early 2014/late 2013.
Doesn't matter, earlier episodes would have had post-production completed on them long before then and been ready to air in the UK if a deal had been made, they'd be foolish not to have something prepared to air before then. The Ocean dub of Powerpuff Girls Z was certified by the CRTC on May 16, 2011 despite airing on Boomerand in the Philippines from as early as 2008.
The CRTC approval is only useful to us in knowing roughly when the last batch of episodes was finalized and that they were hoping to get it aired on a Canadian TV channel. If the dub was only made to air elsewhere in the world they wouldn't have bothered doing it, Ocean's dub of InuYasha The Final Act doesn't have a CRTC certification to my knowledge which makes sense as it only aired on Toonami in America.
Again, it's in Toei's best interests to have multiple dubs going, because it makes more money. If the dub had been ready, they would have offered both to CSC. They didn't, so obivously they had a reason. There's not really any other explanation, anyway; if Toei had some kind of grudge against Ocean, they simply wouldn't have let them get the license to dub it. Having the dub ready, and just not offering it to CSC would be a trememdously crappy thing to do. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's illegal. But, it would also be a very bad idea; if they screwed whoever produced Ocean Kai out of this, they would likely be found out, and those guys would never work with Toei again. And once again, Ocean having a second English dub is good for Toei's business...
So it would make no business sense for Toei to deliberately screw the Ocean dub.
You're putting words in my mouth, I didn't say Toei had a grudge against Ocean.
We don't know the reason they refused to offer CSC Media the Ocean dub, but we do have a source telling us that they did, (according to SubZero Ice, who I'm inclined to believe) which is why I mentioned it. You're offering an alternative spin on that but in order to believe it, you first have to bend over backward and assume that Ocean or the company they worked for refused to let any episodes air before the last one was complete, hardly believable if you ask me, especially given their track record.
Where the hell did you get any of this info?
NitroEX wrote:Whoever holds the rights to the Canadian version seems to be acting separately from Toei, that's how it seems at least, otherwise, Toei would have offered them the choice of which dub to have. Wow Unlimited probably had to specifically seek out this dub and find the company that holds the rights to it, other channels either haven't bothered to do the same or didn't care about a different dub. CSC Media apparently did know about the Canadian dub, so they weren't ignorant of its existence, it just seems that it was Toei that got in the way for whatever reason.
I won't bother speculating as to why as there's too little evidence BUT, it does strike me as odd that both Manga UK and CSC Media made licensing agreements with Toei for Dragon Ball around the same time, why didn't Toei make any deals prior to this? Probably because some other company in Western Europe still held onto the UK rights and Toei needed to wait for them to expire first.
I could ask you the same question.
This time, they've deliberately spent a ton of time getting it ready before opening it up to be used. Toei doesn't really have any reason to block the Ocean dub from being purchased by CSC media
Doing a dub in an episode-by-episode way is fine, but that's not how Ocean did it
Remember, though, it's known that once the main voice recording for Ocean Kai was done, they went back and did pickups on lines that either didn't work, or otherwise had to be re-recorded.
Seriously though, about the recording pickups thing you've been mentioning; I've been following info on this dub for a number of years now and never heard anyone involved in the production go into that much detail about their recording sessions. Unless someone has revealed new information recently that I missed, you shouldn't be speaking of it like it's fact.
All we know is that Marni Shulman reached out to IPP, then some point after that, was negotiating the rights to get the dub to air. That's all we know. And yet, you're phrasing this like there was some grand conspiracy here.
Look, dude, just slow down. You're starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist or something.
I see, anyone who disagrees with your theory is a conspiracy theorist, got it.
If anyone needs slowing down it's you. You're clearly attached to this theory and seem to be taking it personally when the idea is challenged. From my perspective, it seems that you're making some bizarre assumptions to try and retroactively justify the absence of Ocean Kai on Kix when really, there's no need for it. I really think you're overthinking this one. CSC Media evidently weren't interested in seeking out the Ocean dub of Kai or try to deal directly with the company behind it, they were probably happy to air whatever Toei gave them. Marni Shulman on the other hand clearly is
interested in this dub and made the effort to seek it out. All this stuff about the dub not being ready for air despite being worked on for years simply doesn't jive with what we know of this production and how Dragon Ball is typically handled by these companies.