Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" Dub Turns 14; Still Unreleased

[Robo4900]

... Honestly, I'm surprised the Animax DB dub hasn't surfaced in some form yet. You'd think at least one episode would've made it online by now. 153 episodes of a show like this, airing in like 2006?... It's quite surprising that we've seen nothing of it.

The following may sound as the weirdest thing and probably the most stupid I've written on these forums so far: I think the dub may be there but people are searching it in the wrong way. Since Animax Asia aired in several countries and several languages, I can suppose someone recorded this rare English dub but didn't upload it in an English speaking site but in an Asian language speaking site.

It happened to me once when I was looking for this rare alternate Latin Spanish dub of Asterix & Obelix vs. Caesar and I eventually found it on a... RUSSIAN STREAMING SITE.

So yeah, looking for it in another Asian languages like Malay, Filipino or Indonesian might help.

That sounds like a great idea.
Sadly, I have nothing I can contribute to help such an effort along, but if anyone here has the knowledge to carry out such a search, I would be willing to help out in any way I can. Even if that ultimately just amounts of moral support.

Off-topic: Wow, how time flies for this thread. It started out when I was a 10 year old kid, I posted on it for the first time as a 16 year old teenager and now I'm quoting you as a 20 year old young adult.

Heh. Technically more on-topic than the rest of your post, arguably (or, indeed, my post).

But yeah, the time's really gone. We're all getting old!

Honestly, I have no doubt in my mind that this dub will see the light of day, but at this point... I think the form it'd take would be something like a DVD boxset, maybe as much as a decade or more from now. I doubt Funi would do anything of the sort these days, but if they have a major management change and/or if MangaUK or Madman or someone else like that decide to do something ambitious, Ocean Kai would be a great set for collectors. Certainly more appealing than that awful 30th anniversary set Funimation shat onto our doorsteps.
Though having said that, I think there is always the possibility of a random Canadian TV station deciding to pick it up too. We'll see.

[Planetnamek]

I'm surprised that this site had kids on it as it does not seem like a place they would flock towards. Anyways that's a great idea for searching for alternate dubs, I might just try that.

[MasenkoHA]

Honestly, I have no doubt in my mind that this dub will see the light of day, but at this point... I think the form it'd take would be something like a DVD boxset, maybe as much as a decade or more from now. I doubt Funi would do anything of the sort these days, but if they have a major management change and/or if MangaUK or Madman or someone else like that decide to do something ambitious, Ocean Kai would be a great set for collectors. Certainly more appealing than that awful 30th anniversary set Funimation shat onto our doorsteps.
Though having said that, I think there is always the possibility of a random Canadian TV station deciding to pick it up too. We'll see.

I wish I had your optimism in general.

At this point no I don’t think it’s ever going to happen. It’s been “coming soon” for a decade now, the Funi Kai dub has long since aired in territories that might have aired the Ocean Kai. It just aint happening.

And yeah I know the first episode of the Harmony Gold dub has recently showed up 30 years later but that actually aired on television.


It would be nice to hear Saffron Henderson and Scott McNeil as Gohan and Piccolo again.

It would be nice to see if Brian Drummond uses his iconic Saturday Morning cartoon villain voice or something in the spirit of Ryo Horikawa (which we know he’s more than capable of)

It would be nice to see the Ocean cast finally get to tackle the rest of the Namek saga even in Kai form after Funimation robbed them of it with their incompetent business decisions.

But I aint holding my breath.

[Robo4900]

At this point no I don’t think it’s ever going to happen. It’s been “coming soon” for a decade now, the Funi Kai dub has long since aired in territories that might have aired the Ocean Kai. It just aint happening.

The Funi Kai dub aired once in the UK, on Kix in 2011-2012, but no version of Kai has aired in Canada at all. And Funi Kai airing once on one channel in the UK doesn't suddenly mean no other channel will ever air the Ocean version; one version airing once doesn't put a moratorium on alternate versions, that's not at all how that works. The entire country didn't suddenly decide "We're a Funimation dub country now", one channel decided to air Funi's version.

And Turner UK's reps have outright said when asked that if a Turner channel (like Cartoon Network, or a revived Toonami, or whatever) were to air Kai, they'd seek out Ocean's version.
And not only did Wow TV in Canada show tons of interest in airing Kai (though the channel itself looks to be dead in the water), but emails sent to the channel Toon-A-Vision (which is on air right now, and is somewhat desperate for content, especially Canadian stuff) have been received with a lot of interest too.

We're FAR from out of hope.

To finish off... Yes, it has been "coming soon" for a decade now. But it's not been one place saying "It's coming!", it's been various places considering it and it not working out. The initial deal it was created for fell through, then no Canadian channel was interested in any anime at all, then no UK channel was interested in anime except for Kix (who chose a different dub than Turner had chosen when picking dubs to air on Toonami). Wow TV showed interest, but is a non-starter. Netflix are showing interest, but right negotiations are complicated, and Toei do not like streaming AT ALL. Toon-A-Vision are currently showing interest, and they're a TV channel that's already up-and-running...

We'll see.
Feel free to disagree with people saying it'll air for sure -- I probably am being too optimistic there -- but it's just as foolish to say it's not happening for sure. This is showbiz, relating to a popular TV show, as recorded by its most popular cast in the UK and Canada. I wouldn't dismiss its chances so readily.

[Tian]

That sounds like a great idea.
Sadly, I have nothing I can contribute to help such an effort along, but if anyone here has the knowledge to carry out such a search, I would be willing to help out in any way I can. Even if that ultimately just amounts of moral support.

Yeah, it may be the wackiest idea to find a dub but it's worth a try.

Although... I just recalled there's also another way for those who can't or don't want to search in other languages: contacting Asians, specifically South East Asians and I know where to contact them... Reddit. Yeah, some people may think is a cesspool full of idiots but sometimes, it can be actually helpful.

In fact, thanks to it, I found out this interesting info about DB in some countries:

* In r/bulgaria, I've been told that they watched DB but not through a local TV station but in German on RTL II.
* In r/latvia, I've been told the same as r/bulgaria.
* in r/georgia, I've been told the series wasn't aired there but the videogames were sold, although they weren't easy to find.
* In r/slovenia, I've been told that besides watching their subbed version on POP TV, they also watched the Italian dub through Mediaset.
* In r/russia, I got confirmation that the series isn't really popular there.
* In r/ukraine, I've been told that DB apparently got aired there in a defunct channel called QTV.

Let's see if anyone from r/indonesia, r/malaysia and r/phillipines knows something about the Animax dub and if there's luck, owns recordings of the dub.

I'm surprised that this site had kids on it as it does not seem like a place they would flock towards. Anyways that's a great idea for searching for alternate dubs, I might just try that.

In my case, I signed up when I was 15 but before that, I had been a lurker of these forums about two years.

About the alternate dubs stuff, I'll try the Reddit thing first and then will look for it in Asian sites.

[SX10]

I had just been made redundant from Blockbuster when I found this place hahaha! And now, got 3 kids, like, holy shit, life has marched on.

I won't give up the faith in the dub being seen one way or another. Never.

[Tian]

I won't give up the faith in the dub being seen one way or another. Never.

Yeah, me too. We'll eventually see it. Either Wow's airing it or as result of a stormin' to Toei's North American division offices

[damn]

No, I think the very first English dub produced by Frontier Enterprises still remains the rarest.

I'd argue the (Albanian)dub from my home country(Kosovo) probably has to be the rarest dub of DB ever.
Premiered around the early 2000s(couldn't have been later than 2002). I think I remember only seeing the first 13 episodes(though I could be wrong) and they aired it on this channel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohavision.
God knows what happened to it at this point. They never aired it again since then and I doubt it survived anyways.
All I remember is that it was based on the Japanese version so it had the original songs/music in Japanese and I remember that they mispronounced Son Goku(They spelled the "G" as the "J" in "Jeice" so it was more like "Joke-u").

I also remember that there was a some kind of tie-in where they sold puffed snacks with puzzle pieces inside them and if you collected them all you could win some sort of prize or something. I can't remember.
I remember the complete puzzle picture featured the whole original Dragon Ball cast standing in front of Kame House. I'd love to know which exact piece of artwork that was, if any of you knowledgeable experts can remember

A dub of Digimon Adventure was also airing in that same channel around the same time(or probably earlier than DB) and I remember that too was based on the original version and remember that they kept the original names(like for example they kept the name Taichi instead of changing it) since I doubt they even knew of the English dub(for reference the German dub was based on the Japanese version too but used the English dub names for whatever reason).

Same as DB they also had a tie-in game for Digimon but in the form of Panini Sticker Albums...except this one was earlier than DB's puzzle thing and much more popular with the kids.
If you filled out the album you'd win a prize. Everyone thought the price would be a laptop or something equally luxurious but I know from a friend of mine who actually completed the thing that the prize was actually just a crummy Digimon T-shirt. Talk about a rip-off
But I think we all still enjoyed the card collecting/trading aspect nonetheless .

[JulieYBM]

I updated the thread title, which I originally made while poisoned by testosterone and thus must be eradicated.

[Planetnamek]

I updated the thread title, which I originally made while poisoned by testosterone and thus must be eradicated.

Bet you never thought this thread was going to be 300 plus pages and last this long eh?

[JulieYBM]

I updated the thread title, which I originally made while poisoned by testosterone and thus must be eradicated.

Bet you never thought this thread was going to be 300 plus pages and last this long eh?

Eh, I never thought I'd transition medically or lust after men, either. This thread growing so huge os nothing.

[TheGreatness25]

Wasn't there a big-shot executive stringing fans along for months about supposed negotiations?

I'm so fascinated by all of this, honestly. I'd love to see it come out, but I'm starting to wonder if this wasn't just some bizarre misunderstanding. At this point, Kai and the original DBZ are closer together in years than we are from Kai... could the actors have been confused and just talking about the Z dub that they continued to work on? I honestly feel like from their perspective, it's not like they know the ins and outs of the series like we do because we're fans and it's a job to them (I mean, it's true). From hearing Kelamis and Drummond, it's not like they knew all of the story, especially the back-and-forth with Funimation, etc.

Anyway, I've given up hope because when you think about it, there are a ton of projects that never see the light of day that we don't know about (because we're not fans of them). I'm just completely baffled by (a) who the hell would pay for this and allegedly not be willing to have it play on TV or be released on DVD/Blu-ray/whatever; and (b) why the hell would they supposedly dub the entire series with zero prospect on landing on TV or having a release?

[Robo4900]

At this juncture, I feel it is right to once again post my roundup of everything we know about Ocean Kai:

Spoiler:

Voices that are returning for Ocean's Kai dub:

Scott McNeil as Piccolo, Jeice, Caroni, Dr. Brief - Confirmed at a panel: https://youtu.be/VUq625WPv54?t=44
Michael Dobson as Nappa - Acknowledged on Twitter: https://twitter.com/michaeldobson07/sta ... 2241665024
Brian Drummond as Vegeta - Confirmed in an interview. https://youtu.be/r9Qs5FfhO2Q?t=2538
Brendan Hunter as Tien Shinhan (Blue Water) - Confirmed at a panel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CRPKL2 ... be&t=1m10s



Voices that are not returning for Ocean's Kai dub:

Terry Klassen as Krillin, Guldo, Cell Jr., Roshi, and Grandpa Gohan - According to NitroEX, Brian Drummond confirmed at a con that he isn't back (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1533007); he's transitioned entirely into directing.
Robert O. Smith as Grand Elder Guru - Passed away in 2010. The last work he's known to have done was back in 2005/2006, and the earliest recordings for the Namek arc of Ocean Kai would have been after he died, so even in the unlikely event that he was cast in Kai three years after he stopped doing any other work, he wouldn't have had the chance to actually play the role.
Pauline Newstone as Freeza - Recast in favour of Lee Tockar.
Ian Corlett, Peter Kelamis, and Kirby Morrow as Son Goku - Morrow was re-auditioned, but ultimately rejected (https://youtu.be/yIkDTE-yvsk?t=47). The other two were allegedly not auditioned. Richard Ian Cox was cast in this role instead.
Matt Smith as Tien Shinhan - Rejected in favour of the Calgary actor who played the role in the Blue Water dubs, Brendan Hunter.



Known new voices for Ocean's Kai dub:

Richard Ian Cox as Son Goku - Confirmed by Scott McNeil (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 38#p825538), Kirbopher, and I believe also KaiserNeko
Lee Tockar as Freeza - Confirmed on Twitter: https://twitter.com/leetockar/status/529493816236331008
Cole Howard as #17 - He mentioned it in a Reddit post (https://i.imgur.com/EaaDKhw.png). Account now deleted.
Trevor Devall - Unknown role. Confirmed in an interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_snEpBI ... e&t=23m26s), and briefly touched on in an episode of his podcast (https://youtu.be/yIkDTE-yvsk?t=71).
James Beach (Blue Water) - Unknown role in episode 21. Likely an unnamed Namekian. Confirmed in a forum post where he asked for a copy of the episode to use in his demo reel. (https://dbzf.co.uk/would-anyone-have-ka ... 72223.html - dead link. I've read it before, though; he asks if anyone has a copy of episode 21 for his demo reel. IIRC someone said it hasn't aired yet)



Voices that probably are not returning for Ocean's Kai dub:

Brian Drummond as Yajirobe - TheBlackPaladin on Kanzenshuu said we know Drummond will not be reprising Yajirobe, and that his new casting is from Calgary. (viewtopic.php?p=831605#p831605)
Doc Harris as the narrator - Said he wasn't back when asked in an email.
Dale Wilson as Cell, Kami, and King Yemma - Said he doesn't remember recording for this dub when asked in an email.
Paul Dobson as Zarbon - Kirbopher claimed to have talked to the "New" voice of Zarbon.
David Kaye as Recoome - He works out of LA now, so we can be pretty certain he's not back.
Jason Gray-Stanford as Raditz - He hasn't really done much voicework since the '90s, so he's unlikely to be back.



Voices that may be returning for Ocean's Kai dub: (Excluding actors we've heard nothing about)

Ted Cole as Yamcha and Korin - According to NitroEX, Brian Drummond said he may be returning (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1533007). We know he was recast as #17 in favour of Cole Howard, though. Assuming he was re-auditioned for Yamcha, he was likely also re-auditioned for Korin aswell.
Saffron Henderson as Gohan - She made a Tweet that many believe refers to getting to play Gohan again for Kai after having initially dropped the role due to having to move to California. (https://twitter.com/SafHen/status/575006852930347008) She was "Temporarily replaced", as she put it, for the rest of Z's run, and as I recall didn't return to Canada until after the Westwood Z dub was over, so it would make sense if she was returning. Ultimately, we can't be 100% sure at this time, but I would say it's likely what she was hinting at.
Don Brown as King Kai, Emperor Pilaf, Burter, Hercule/Mr. Satan, Shenron, and Roshi - He still works, and Brian Drummond said on Twitter that he's worked with him somewhat recently (https://twitter.com/BrianDrummondVO/sta ... 8186138624), so the jury is still out on this. I would say he was at the very least re-auditioned for Kai.
Scott McNeil as #16, and farmer in field - He has talked about playing basically all the same characters as he did in Z, including mentioning Boo, Old Kai, South Kai, and Dabura (https://youtu.be/VUq625WPv54?t=52), but a handful of his old roles haven't been mentioned, and we're also unsure if he's gained any new roles this time around. If Alec Willows isn't reprising Oolong, there is precedent for McNeil playing that character in Willows' absence, after all... Whether this all just slipped his mind, or if he's been recast in some of his old roles is not known, though he can be quite forthcoming about this stuff at cons when asked. (Similar case for any characters not mentioned above played by actors I've mentioned)



Other misc. info about Ocean's Kai dub:

According to Kirbopher and others, the idea of doing both a cut and an uncut version of this dub was discussed. We have no way of knowing which way this went, however a cut version does exist.
The edited video master for this dub's production was licensed by Funimation, though with their episode titles used instead of Ocean's. This video master is what aired on NickToons USA. It's possible this edited video master was only produced in standard-definition. Ocean are credited for their work in the closing credits to the NickToons edit (https://i.imgur.com/m9yausY.png).
The edited video master gives us some small insights into one or two things about this dub; chiefly, the tournaments will be referred to with a direct romanisation, "Tenkaichi Budoukai" (https://i.imgur.com/WqijgTW.png), instead of the localised "World Martial Arts Tournament" title Funimation's dubs, and productions that follow their naming conventions, have used in the past.
Allegedly, the scripts are new, original scripts done by Ocean. I forget who talked about this, probably Kirbopher.
The romanised name of the Tenkaichi Budoukai goes along with the more-accurate approach this dub seems to be taking in other areas, with Freeza's recasting away from Pauline Newstone, Goku's recasting away from Kirby Morrow(It's not online at this time, but Kirby Morrow said in the famous Voiceprint podcast episode 26, "They let me re-audition to see if I could kid him up a little bit, make him a lot more childlike [...]"), and the fact Namek will be pronounced closer to how it's pronounced in the Japanese version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5SG5Sp ... be&t=7m28s).
Karl Willems was the primary ADR director of this dub, according to Brian Drummond via SX10.
At least one other ADR director was involved in some capacity, as allegedly at least one person connected to this dub who'd talked to Kirbopher knew it to be directed by someone else. SX10 claims there was another director involved; Gary something, he says.
One of the first people to be cast in this dub was allegedly Scott McNeil. James Beach allegedly heard some of the music for this dub (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... d#p1522597), so he likely recorded much later in the production.
Because Maggie Blue O'Hara was not in Vancouver at the time this dub was recorded, and I believe the same is true of Lalainia Lindbjerg, it's probably safe to assume we're getting a new Bulma.
The exact number of Vancouver-based actors vs Calgary-based actors is not known, but rumours go around that the bulk is from Vancouver.
This dub will not be using the Yamamoto or Kikuchi scores, instead having a new score composed by Anitunes (https://i.imgur.com/RBsyw77.png), the guys who scored the Westwood Z dub. The wrong number of episodes was listed on their site for both Z and Kai, however. Though, the site is now down.
The last few seconds of the opening theme song are available via the online editing supervisor's demo reel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46pqBb3zdjo&t=14s). This video also notes "2 seasons", which gels with the CRTC listing of Kai (https://services.crtc.gc.ca/pub/CanrecL ... 4-01&C=07E) as "DRAGONBALL KAI (I)(#1-50)" and "DRAGONBALL KAI (II)(#51-98)", which suggests it was packaged and officially considered as two "Seasons" of about 50 episodes each. This snippet also gels with something David Steele said about a 30-second snippet of a song called "Dragonball Kai" on his website (https://web.archive.org/web/20190314075 ... l-z_01.mp3) "I did that spot in 2009 and unfortunately don't have any info on it as I was just hired to sing, I can't even remember if it was a demo or went final?" (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 76#p757376) The voice in the editing demo reel version doesn't sound like his, and the instrumentation sounds entirely different. It's possible the lyrics are also entirely different. So, while the 2009 demo which has been going around online has been known as "The opening to Ocean Kai", it is likely nothing more than a scratch track, if that.
Sean Schemmel has seen a small amount of this dub, which had a replacement score and an altered SFX track (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 16&t=13178), likely because of Funimation's acquisition of Ocean's edited video master.
Last news we'd heard on this is that Marni Shulman of Wow TV in Canada is still working on acquiring it (https://twitter.com/shomi_marni/status/ ... 8287607808). It all seemed to be going smoothly by her last word (https://twitter.com/shomi_marni/status/ ... 7795988485 https://twitter.com/shomi_marni/status/ ... 1722204161 https://twitter.com/shomi_marni/status/ ... 8938145792 https://twitter.com/shomi_marni/status/ ... 7541698566). She has said she will ask for a cast list when she gets the chance in response to a fan asking if she can share one. (https://twitter.com/shomi_marni/status/ ... 0174950400) However, it looks like Wow are having trouble scrounging up money to launch their channel; as it is, it may not launch at all, and if it does, it may not be for a long time, so if we want Ocean Kai to air, other avenues will have to be chased (such as Toon-A-Vision, or Netflix).
Brian Drummond recorded "Over 8000" and "Over 9000", leaving it up to the director/producer to decide which to use. (viewtopic.php?p=1532986#p1532986)
I personally would be rather surprised if Dave 'Squatch' Ward isn't back as Ox-King.

I updated this repository of info recently, but haven't posted it in this thread for a while, so I thought I'd post it again.
Plus, it's relevant to the rest of this post now...

Wasn't there a big-shot executive stringing fans along for months about supposed negotiations?

Yes, there was an executive telling us about negotiations. We do know that these negotiations were real, though, and I wouldn't call the exec a "big-shot".
And really, by all accouts, nothing particularly went wrong on the front of them negotiating for Kai; what went wrong is that the channel itself failed to launch, because the company behind it couldn't scrounge up the money. So, that was a wash.

On the plus side, Arian, SX10, Nitro, and I are looking into pursuing a few other avenues for potentially getting Ocean Kai released. You saw the effort about Tweeting Netflix and Prime Video, but it seems none of us have the reach to get that to spread far enough to get the traction it needs. (And the people who have reach have thus far showed no interest in Retweeting to give it reach. Oh well)

Current efforts are focussed on a channel in Canada called Toon-A-Vision, which likes Canadian content, and is somewhat desperate for more shows. We're working on getting them in contact with the right people.
And this channel is already up-and-running, so if they want to pick Kai up, it'll actually get on air.

I'm so fascinated by all of this, honestly. I'd love to see it come out, but I'm starting to wonder if this wasn't just some bizarre misunderstanding.

It is not a misunderstanding. It is confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt by the actors, by Lisa Yamatoya (head of Toei USA), and various other sources that Ocean Kai is real.

At this point, Kai and the original DBZ are closer together in years than we are from Kai... could the actors have been confused and just talking about the Z dub that they continued to work on? I honestly feel like from their perspective, it's not like they know the ins and outs of the series like we do because we're fans and it's a job to them (I mean, it's true). From hearing Kelamis and Drummond, it's not like they knew all of the story, especially the back-and-forth with Funimation, etc.

Impossible.

See the full infodump in the spoiler above, but suffice it to say...
Scott McNeil confirmed that he was in-progress recording for Kai in late 2011. (In addition to specifically noting it is Kai, it's shorter, etc., this was 2011; the last time DBZ was recording in Vancouver before this was 2003)
Brian Drummond confirmed that, specifically, he recorded for Kai.
Kirby Morrow confirmed he re-auditioned as Goku for Kai -- Trevor Devall discussed auditioning for roles in Kai too -- though Morrow did not get the role.
Lee Tockar specifically confirmed he played Freeza in Kai; his only Z roles were Elder Moori and probably some additional voices...

It's real. Just unreleased.

Anyway, I've given up hope because when you think about it, there are a ton of projects that never see the light of day that we don't know about (because we're not fans of them). I'm just completely baffled by (a) who the hell would pay for this and allegedly not be willing to have it play on TV or be released on DVD/Blu-ray/whatever; and (b) why the hell would they supposedly dub the entire series with zero prospect on landing on TV or having a release?

It was recorded for TV, looks like it had a specific place on TV in mind, but that fell through, but they finished production anyway, and shopped it around to TV networks, but networks in the UK and Canada pretty much completely lost interest in anime at some point between 2006 and 2011, and never really got it back, so Kai has just never had a home.

As for DVD/Blu-ray, there's no reason it can't get a release, but Funimation do not want this dub to see the light of day (inside sources have informed me of this), so they're sure as hell not gonna release it. And Australia has always been dominated by the Funi dub. So the only hope would be MangaUK, which... Well... Not gonna lie, they COULD do it, but don't hold your breath for it.

[kei17]

I'd argue the (Albanian)dub from my home country(Kosovo) probably has to be the rarest dub of DB ever.
Premiered around the early 2000s(couldn't have been later than 2002). I think I remember only seeing the first 13 episodes(though I could be wrong) and they aired it on this channel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohavision.
God knows what happened to it at this point. They never aired it again since then and I doubt it survived anyways.
All I remember is that it was based on the Japanese version so it had the original songs/music in Japanese and I remember that they mispronounced Son Goku(They spelled the "G" as the "J" in "Jeice" so it was more like "Joke-u").

So that wasn't the same as the one airs in Albania? Was that the original DB or Z?

[MasenkoHA]

. At this point, Kai and the original DBZ are closer together in years than we are from Kai... could the actors have been confused and just talking about the Z dub that they continued to work on?

Robo had a pretty thorough breakdown of the situation but also no they finished dubbing Dragon Ball Z around 2002, there’s no way in hell they got that confused with something more recent (at the time anyways) Kai was the hot Dragon Ball property around 2010-2011 they knew which show they were talking about.

Also there was a quote from Schemmel that he’s seen some of the show and it had a lot of whooshing sound effects.

Seán Schemmel Here is why the Ocean group dub will suck. And it has nothing to do with the actors as I have enormous respect for all of them. As far as I know, the Ocean group dub is going to have this really shitty music (some of which I have heard) and a whole host of added sound effects such as "doinks" and "boinks" and even in one scene, where Bulma ... See Moresimply turns her head in a conversation you hear a "whoosh" sound ala a bad martial arts movie. We are giving you the purest DBZ experience possible, and if you don't like that, then you don't like DBZ.

Note the irony of Schmmel saying you don’t like Dragon Ball Z if you don’t like their version (which completely altered the show pre-Kai) and suggesting something emulating a bad martial arts movie is un-Dragon Ball like

[WittyUsername]

Note the irony of Schmmel saying you don’t like Dragon Ball Z if you don’t like their version (which completely altered the show pre-Kai) and suggesting something emulating a bad martial arts movie is un-Dragon Ball like

Frankly, I was never a fan of those weird sound effects that the dub with the Ocean voice cast used. They were especially distracting in the case of the Pioneer dubs.

[TheGreatness25]

. At this point, Kai and the original DBZ are closer together in years than we are from Kai... could the actors have been confused and just talking about the Z dub that they continued to work on?

Robo had a pretty thorough breakdown of the situation but also no they finished dubbing Dragon Ball Z around 2002, there’s no way in hell they got that confused with something more recent (at the time anyways) Kai was the hot Dragon Ball property around 2010-2011 they knew which show they were talking about.

Also there was a quote from Schemmel that he’s seen some of the show and it had a lot of whooshing sound effects.

Seán Schemmel Here is why the Ocean group dub will suck. And it has nothing to do with the actors as I have enormous respect for all of them. As far as I know, the Ocean group dub is going to have this really shitty music (some of which I have heard) and a whole host of added sound effects such as "doinks" and "boinks" and even in one scene, where Bulma ... See Moresimply turns her head in a conversation you hear a "whoosh" sound ala a bad martial arts movie. We are giving you the purest DBZ experience possible, and if you don't like that, then you don't like DBZ.

Note the irony of Schmmel saying you don’t like Dragon Ball Z if you don’t like their version (which completely altered the show pre-Kai) and suggesting something emulating a bad martial arts movie is un-Dragon Ball like

God damn, he's just so unlikable. Really, I haven't heard an interview with Sean Schemmel where I didn't think to myself, "You know, this guy sounds like a jerk." And then you hear about the stories of him interacting with the other voices of Goku, and it just makes it worse. Schemmel's Goku isn't my favorite, but I have no problems with it. He might be talented in a way that I cannot understand (not trying to be funny, but really, what do I know about what makes a good voice actor? I just know what voices sound appealing, but I'm sure there's a science to it from breathing to delivery, etc.), but he really seems like a jerk. But hey, it's not like I know the real him to really judge.

[Planetnamek]

. At this point, Kai and the original DBZ are closer together in years than we are from Kai... could the actors have been confused and just talking about the Z dub that they continued to work on?

Robo had a pretty thorough breakdown of the situation but also no they finished dubbing Dragon Ball Z around 2002, there’s no way in hell they got that confused with something more recent (at the time anyways) Kai was the hot Dragon Ball property around 2010-2011 they knew which show they were talking about.

Also there was a quote from Schemmel that he’s seen some of the show and it had a lot of whooshing sound effects.

Seán Schemmel Here is why the Ocean group dub will suck. And it has nothing to do with the actors as I have enormous respect for all of them. As far as I know, the Ocean group dub is going to have this really shitty music (some of which I have heard) and a whole host of added sound effects such as "doinks" and "boinks" and even in one scene, where Bulma ... See Moresimply turns her head in a conversation you hear a "whoosh" sound ala a bad martial arts movie. We are giving you the purest DBZ experience possible, and if you don't like that, then you don't like DBZ.

Note the irony of Schmmel saying you don’t like Dragon Ball Z if you don’t like their version (which completely altered the show pre-Kai) and suggesting something emulating a bad martial arts movie is un-Dragon Ball like

God damn, he's just so unlikable. Really, I haven't heard an interview with Sean Schemmel where I didn't think to myself, "You know, this guy sounds like a jerk." And then you hear about the stories of him interacting with the other voices of Goku, and it just makes it worse. Schemmel's Goku isn't my favorite, but I have no problems with it. He might be talented in a way that I cannot understand (not trying to be funny, but really, what do I know about what makes a good voice actor? I just know what voices sound appealing, but I'm sure there's a science to it from breathing to delivery, etc.), but he really seems like a jerk. But hey, it's not like I know the real him to really judge.

I disagree, he sounds plenty likeable to me and I'm guessing he's taking a dim view of this dub because it reminds him a lot of the old Funi dub which he was never all that big on, so now he's very much against new music and added sound effects which is understandable. He seems like a nice enough person to me.

[8000 Saiyan]

When it comes to the other voices of Goku, he does come across as an ass. What was his response to the idea of Ian James Corlett voicing Goku Black for the Funimation dub of Super? "FUCK YOU I'M GOKU HE QUIT!" And my favorite of all: "YOU'RE NOT GOKU I'M GOKU!" to Kirby Morrow when Kirby was tweeting that he was going to a convention while adding that he was the voice of Goku. And there's also these rumors that he might have kicked Peter Kelamis out of the Kamehacon.

I haven't seen him being an ass to Lex Lang and Steve Blum, but I don't think many people are aware that Blum ever voiced Goku for a video game (Seriously, Blum and Lang as Goku are fucking weird choices). And he wouldn't dare being disrespectful to Nozawa, since she's the one that originated the role.

[JulieYBM]

Sean Schemmel is a notorious rube whose friends struggle to put up with his douche-iness. He's a self-important twerp people put up with because they swim in the same pond.