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by Gonstead » Sun May 06, 2012 8:23 pm
penguintruth wrote:Still, I wonder if it will have a DVD/Blu-Ray release.
If it's the same case with the Westwood Dub, probably not, which would mean we'd have to record them from TV like others have done with the Westwood dub.
Man, two same language dubs of the same show can really get annoying sometimes. It's giving me a slight headache the fact that such a practice exists.
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by dbboxkaifan » Mon May 07, 2012 6:57 am
Gonstead wrote:Man, two same language dubs of the same show can really get annoying sometimes. It's giving me a slight headache the fact that such a practice exists.
They're still different.
Each country should be able to dub animes into their own languages than importing from others, or at least subbing them officially and then air them.
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by TheBlackPaladin » Mon May 07, 2012 10:00 am
Actually, if I remember correctly, Peter Kelamis said via Twitter after getting swamped with so many questions about the Ocean dub of Kai that he was unaware of it and had not auditioned, nor been asked to audition. So as cool as it would be for him to return, it's not likely. Ian Corlett, the actor before him (and the very first voice actor to voice adult Goku in English) is also unlikely to return because he left Ocean many years ago in a dispute over pay. I recall hearing on a Daizex podcast episode (back when it was still Daizex, of course) that Ian was offered to reprise his role for the Westwood dub, but he turned it down, saying that whatever offer they made him to return would be more insulting than why he left in the first place.
So, unfortunately, it seems as though neither Corlett, Kelamis, or Morrow will reprise the role, meaning that we're likely going to get a whole new Goku altogether. When Morrow wasn't re-cast, I was afraid that this meant that they would re-cast other roles, but obviously they're considering the original cast if they had Morrow audition, and obviously they still like some of the original cast since Scott McNeil is reprising Piccolo. This, of course, leads us to another big question that so far has no answer...who are "they"? Who's in charge of this dub?
Regardless, I'll be very interested to watch it. I've got my thumbs crossed for a few of the other Ocean voice actors to reprise their roles, with Brian Drummond's Vegeta at the top of my wishlist!
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by penguintruth » Mon May 07, 2012 1:27 pm
As much as I like Kelamis as Goku, I wouldn't mind hearing a new voice, as long as it suits the energy of the character.
Plus Kelamis could be a bit inconsistent.
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by TheBlackPaladin » Mon May 07, 2012 1:57 pm
penguintruth wrote:Plus Kelamis could be a bit inconsistent.
That's a tell-tale sign of working under a different director. Which Kelamis did. Different directors will want different things, leading to performances that do not consistently emphasize the same elements of a prior performance. Barry Watson directed the Ocean dub of DBZ, Karl Willems (who also directed the "Death Note" dub) directed the three uncut Ocean/Pioneer movies, and the Westwood dub was directed by...a bunch of different people. McNeil said that they went through eight directors.
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by penguintruth » Mon May 07, 2012 3:51 pm
Karl Willems definitely got the most out of Kelamis, in the movies.
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by TheBlackPaladin » Mon May 07, 2012 5:53 pm
Definitely. I think he got the best out of the entire Ocean cast, quite frankly. It would have been nice to have seen what he could have gotten out of Brian Drummond's Vegeta. Or heck, while we're dealing in hypothetical situations, it would have been nice to see what he and Pioneer could have gotten out of the Ocean cast if they had dubbed DBZ to begin with.
Ah well, water under the bridge. FUNimation's Kai dub is more than good enough for me anyway!
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by Hades » Mon May 07, 2012 6:13 pm
However, if Willems does return for Kai, it will be interesting to see what he can do.
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by dbboxkaifan » Mon May 07, 2012 6:25 pm
penguintruth wrote:Karl Willems definitely got the most out of Kelamis, in the movies.
Yep, definitely!
Especially in the 2nd Film where Kelamis sounded so much like the original Goku, so effin awesome!
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by Daimo-Rukiri » Mon May 07, 2012 6:58 pm
dbboxkaifan wrote:penguintruth wrote:Karl Willems definitely got the most out of Kelamis, in the movies.
Yep, definitely!
Especially in the 2nd Film where Kelamis sounded so much like the original Goku, so effin awesome!
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by Attitudefan » Mon May 07, 2012 8:11 pm
You know, I think directors are the most important factor to a good production. Good actors have been seen in terrible movies with terrible acting, and, it's not any different than with voice acting.
Goddamn emphasis is so important when voicing a spot; having a bad director will just f*ck sh*t up! A good director can bring the best out of anybody, experienced or not.
Eh, I know this isn't the place to put it but I made a
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by samuraix123 » Mon May 07, 2012 11:24 pm
Attitudefan wrote:You know, I think directors are the most important factor to a good production. Good actors have been seen in terrible movies with terrible acting, and, it's not any different than with voice acting.
Goddamn emphasis is so important when voicing a spot; having a bad director will just f*ck sh*t up! A good director can bring the best out of anybody, experienced or not.
Eh, I know this isn't the place to put it but I made a
short impression video here on the Ocean actors (Well Goku and Vegeta...)
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by Attitudefan » Tue May 08, 2012 12:49 am
Yeah! I am still working on it... it has been what? A year?
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by dbboxkaifan » Tue May 08, 2012 8:27 am
Attitudefan wrote:Eh, I know this isn't the place to put it but I made a
short impression video here on the Ocean actors (Well Goku and Vegeta...)
That was really good, all of those voices were done by you, you didn't ask MasakoX for Goku?
You know, they could hire TeamFourStar's VAs if they wanted, MasakoX to do Goku, LittleKuriboh as Lord Freeza/Cell, but the rest could stay with the original Ocean actors (Brian Drummond, etc).
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by Lord Eeyore Haw-Haw » Tue May 08, 2012 12:56 pm
Uhh... Voice acting doesn't work like that... They really would need to be more in the area of the recording studios, like in Vancouver. They ain't gonna be flying LittleKuriboh or MasakoX out to do their dub, just because they're on the Internet and do voices for Internet videos.
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by dbboxkaifan » Tue May 08, 2012 1:27 pm
Lord Eeyore Haw-Haw wrote:Uhh... Voice acting doesn't work like that... They really would need to be more in the area of the recording studios, like in Vancouver. They ain't gonna be flying LittleKuriboh or MasakoX out to do their dub, just because they're on the Internet and do voices for Internet videos.
You're right, they'll just hire someone who's nearer to them.
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by Attitudefan » Tue May 08, 2012 5:51 pm
dbboxkaifan wrote:Attitudefan wrote:Eh, I know this isn't the place to put it but I made a
short impression video here on the Ocean actors (Well Goku and Vegeta...)
That was really good, all of those voices were done by you, you didn't ask MasakoX for Goku?
You know, they could hire TeamFourStar's VAs if they wanted, MasakoX to do Goku, LittleKuriboh as Lord Freeza/Cell, but the rest could stay with the original Ocean actors (Brian Drummond, etc).
Haha no, just me
Well, that's not all true. If they have a proper studio set up at their house then it could be possible to do it from there. There are probably other legal issues however when doing a dub so they probably have to be at the studio.
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by matt0044 » Tue May 08, 2012 7:27 pm
FUNi had the old VAs from the Slayers dub by Central Park Media for Revolution and Evolution-R. Lisa Ortiz, Eric Stuart, Veronica Taylor and Crispin Freeman came back to reprise their roles and even got Dan Green as Wizer. They did in a New York studio and likely sent the audio to FUNi in Texas.
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by Super Sayian Prime » Tue May 08, 2012 9:01 pm
I don't think Toei would approve of an Ocean dub containing voice actors from a parody they've tried removing from Youtube a few times.
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by TheBlackPaladin » Tue May 08, 2012 9:11 pm
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:I don't think Toei would approve of an Ocean dub containing voice actors from a parody they've tried removing from Youtube a few times.
Technically Toei didn't remove them, a Toei bot did. Still, TFS was pretty clear that they didn't want people making a big deal about them to Toei. This is, more likely than not, because they don't want their fun (and utterly hilarious) hobby being turned into an over-the-top, stressful legal battle.
