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Re: Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" dub seems to be coming.

Post by JackyBoi99 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:19 am

Well if ocean studios knew that their version of dragon ball kai was never going to be aired, then wouldn't they stop production?

Since none of the confirmed voice actors have come out and said that their production of the show has stopped, wouldn't that be a good indication that we will see it in some form?
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Post by Bananape » Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:22 am

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:Vortexx died a month ago.

You know what? I think YTV MIGHT show it as part of a Bionix revival led with DBZ Kai and Redubbed!SailorMoon. Viz Media made a point of of mentioning them on twitter. I wish they dubbed the Max Heart series of Pretty Cure.
We know Vortexx dissolved. Nothing from my posts suggested it was still in existence.

As for a Bionix revival, it's not even worth considering. YTV just recently transferred all of the remaining anime titles they had, which wasn't much to begin with, over to Teletoon. Anime has been less and less prevalent on that station, and after that, it's pretty obvious YTV would rather focus on it's original programming and Nickelodeon acquisitions.

If I recall, I also recall Viz Media mentioning [adult swim]'s Toonami, but nothing has materialized so far from that. Not to mention the last time YTV aired an anime that Viz Media actually produced and dubbed was back in 2010 before Bionix was dissolved. Viz Media could pretty well tweet about Sailor Moon going on any Canadian channel and it still wouldn't change a thing unless that station actually wants to acquire the broadcast rights.

Considering Teletoon has been widely considered the Canadian version of Cartoon Network, and Teletoon at Night essentially mirroring [adult swim], and the fact that all of YTV's anime titles moved over to Teletoon, I think the best shot for Ocean's Z Kai and Viz Media's Sailor Moon would be on Teletoon at Night since it's been hinted this dub will be uncut unlike the earlier Ocean dubs of DBZ.

Speaking of uncut, that's another reason why we will never see Ocean's Z Kai or Viz Media's Sailor Moon on YTV. Both of these dubs are uncut, and since YTV doesn't have a late night block, there would be no way that it could be aired. As for edited versions, that's immediately out of the question. It's been confirmed that Ocean's Z Kai will be uncut by some voice actors, so it doesn't make sense for them to make an un-edited dub of the series if they would only air an edited version on YTV. Now you might be saying how FUNimation technically did just that with their dub by airing the edited versions of Nicktoons and Vortexx and releasing the uncut versions on Blu-ray and DVD. Well, there's one big difference between the two. According to what I've read on this thread, the Ocean dub is planned to be exclusively on television and not on any home video. So it makes zero sense for Ocean to make an uncut dub that will never see the light of day but release an edited version, going against everything we have learnt up to this point.

As for Sailor Moon, there's a snowball's chance in hell of it ever being edited in any way. The whole point of Viz Media's re-dub of the entire series is to make up for the edited dub we got from DiC and CWi. Plus Viz Media is practically yelling from the rooftops how their version is completely uncut and true to the original, so there is no way they'd go against that and edit a single thing.

YTV has pretty much turned it's back on Japanese animation at this point, why however I will probably never know. But obviously whatever YTV is doing is working since this has been a big transition since 2010 and has seemed to work. I don't expect Bionix will ever make a comeback, but what I do expect is Teletoon at Night to one day have a similar block to Toonami. I don't expect it to have the exact same line-up as Toonami, but I could see a line-up of Viz Media/Ocean titles like Bionix used to have with maybe one or two big titles like Sailor Moon.

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:48 am

I didnt mean you in particular. But you are right. UGH. I hate YTV. I went through their schedules and its all crap!
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Post by 90sDBZ » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:27 am

Subzero Ice wrote:CSC Media (owners of Channel Kix; the current broadcasters of Dragon Ball Kai in the UK) were NOT given the option to purchase the Ocean dub of Kai. Toei Animation ONLY gave them the option of the Funimation dub of Kai. CSC Media are aware of the existence of the Ocean dub.

Make of that what you will.
Most likely because Ocean Kai is being produced for the sole purpose of airing in Canada due to some Canadian content rule or something, and Toei saw no reason to give it to the UK and further divide the fanbase when the perfectly good Funimation dub existed.

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Bananape wrote:It's been confirmed that Ocean's Z Kai will be uncut by some voice actors...
Did they? Do you remember where you heard that? Because if it is uncut, it's very odd that they'd be listed as helping with the edits in the credits of the Nicktoons-edited FUNimation dub.
90sDBZ wrote:...and Toei saw no reason to give it to the UK and further divide the fanbase when the perfectly good Funimation dub existed.
Possibly, but I'm not sure that's the case considering that the Westwood dub (aka the post-Saban Ocean dub), despite being recorded in Canada, actually aired in the UK first. Actually, Canada held on to the FUNimation dub for a notably long time before switching to the dub that was recorded in their own country. Personally, I'd be surprised if Toei pays enough attention to the English dub fanbase to even know their is a divide. I'm sure their primary focus is the Japanese version, with their only major concerns with the various dubs being whether or not they're making money.
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Post by Bananape » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:11 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:Did they? Do you remember where you heard that? Because if it is uncut, it's very odd that they'd be listed as helping with the edits in the credits of the Nicktoons-edited FUNimation dub.
I recall a voice actor who I'm 99% sure was Scott McNeil stating that the Ocean Z Kai would be uncut, such as with a proper pronunciation of Namek and Saiyan. He didn't delve to much into what "uncut" would mean, but I'm assuming it won't be edited in any significant way.

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Post by El Diabeetus » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:29 pm

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TheBlackPaladin wrote:Did they? Do you remember where you heard that? Because if it is uncut, it's very odd that they'd be listed as helping with the edits in the credits of the Nicktoons-edited FUNimation dub.
I recall a voice actor who I'm 99% sure was Scott McNeil stating that the Ocean Z Kai would be uncut, such as with a proper pronunciation of Namek and Saiyan. He didn't delve to much into what "uncut" would mean, but I'm assuming it won't be edited in any significant way.
He's commented on Namek, but we've heard nothing about Saiyan unless it's never been recorded when he was talking about it.

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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:33 pm

The dub being uncut would go against the Ocean credits in the Nicktoons version of Kai.
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Re: Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" dub seems to be coming.

Post by Bananape » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:49 am

Super Saiyan Prime wrote:The dub being uncut would go against the Ocean credits in the Nicktoons version of Kai.
That doesn't mean squat. Ocean could easily perform the edits for the Nicktoons version and still produce their own uncut dub. Ocean has dubbed anime titles like Cardfight!! Vanguard and Future Card Buddyfight uncut, so it's pretty possible that their dub of Z Kai can be uncut too.

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Post by Attitudefan » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:30 am

Bananape wrote:
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:The dub being uncut would go against the Ocean credits in the Nicktoons version of Kai.
That doesn't mean squat. Ocean could easily perform the edits for the Nicktoons version and still produce their own uncut dub. Ocean has dubbed anime titles like Cardfight!! Vanguard and Future Card Buddyfight uncut, so it's pretty possible that their dub of Z Kai can be uncut too.
And they dubbed Black Lagoon. That's as raw as it can get and they kept it as close to the original as possible! Seriously.

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Post by Ajay » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:37 am

Attitudefan wrote: And they dubbed Black Lagoon. That's as raw as it can get and they kept it as close to the original as possible! Seriously.
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:52 pm

If this dub only exists to air on TV, I'm pretty sure it'll be edited. Don't misunderstand me, Karl Willems (the man who is almost certainly the director of this dub) and the rest of the cast and crew would most likely love to do this uncut. That's just not their decision. Ocean isn't a distribution company, at least as far as we know. They do voice and apparently video production. If the company that is paying them to dub Kai wants it edited, it will be edited.

I bring up the Nicktoons TV credit because there's no reason for Funimation to have hired Ocean to do that. There are plenty of video editing options in the US. To me that's a good sign our Moby Dick of a dub will be based on the Nicktoons version. That's far from the worst thing in the world.
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:25 pm

Super Saiyan Prime wrote:If this dub only exists to air on TV, I'm pretty sure it'll be edited. Don't misunderstand me, Karl Willems (the man who is almost certainly the director of this dub) and the rest of the cast and crew would most likely love to do this uncut. That's just not their decision. Ocean isn't a distribution company, at least as far as we know. They do voice and apparently video production. If the company that is paying them to dub Kai wants it edited, it will be edited.

I bring up the Nicktoons TV credit because there's no reason for Funimation to have hired Ocean to do that. There are plenty of video editing options in the US. To me that's a good sign our Moby Dick of a dub will be based on the Nicktoons version. That's far from the worst thing in the world.
Agreed. While I would have preferred uncut, I think the Nicktoons version was pretty tastefully edited. There was only two or three edits that I remember thinking, "Oh, come on!"

Although, this leave something of a predicament...if this is going to be our Moby Dick of a dub, then we need a Captain Ahab. Not me, though. Call me Ishmael.
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Post by sangofe » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:38 am

TheBlackPaladin wrote: Although, this leave something of a predicament...if this is going to be our Moby Dick of a dub, then we need a Captain Ahab. Not me, though. Call me Ishmael.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you reword, please?

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Post by JEFFMAN219 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:01 am

Bananape wrote:
Cure Dragon 255 wrote:Vortexx died a month ago.

You know what? I think YTV MIGHT show it as part of a Bionix revival led with DBZ Kai and Redubbed!SailorMoon. Viz Media made a point of of mentioning them on twitter. I wish they dubbed the Max Heart series of Pretty Cure.
We know Vortexx dissolved. Nothing from my posts suggested it was still in existence.

As for a Bionix revival, it's not even worth considering. YTV just recently transferred all of the remaining anime titles they had, which wasn't much to begin with, over to Teletoon. Anime has been less and less prevalent on that station, and after that, it's pretty obvious YTV would rather focus on it's original programming and Nickelodeon acquisitions.

If I recall, I also recall Viz Media mentioning [adult swim]'s Toonami, but nothing has materialized so far from that. Not to mention the last time YTV aired an anime that Viz Media actually produced and dubbed was back in 2010 before Bionix was dissolved. Viz Media could pretty well tweet about Sailor Moon going on any Canadian channel and it still wouldn't change a thing unless that station actually wants to acquire the broadcast rights.

Considering Teletoon has been widely considered the Canadian version of Cartoon Network, and Teletoon at Night essentially mirroring [adult swim], and the fact that all of YTV's anime titles moved over to Teletoon, I think the best shot for Ocean's Z Kai and Viz Media's Sailor Moon would be on Teletoon at Night since it's been hinted this dub will be uncut unlike the earlier Ocean dubs of DBZ.

Speaking of uncut, that's another reason why we will never see Ocean's Z Kai or Viz Media's Sailor Moon on YTV. Both of these dubs are uncut, and since YTV doesn't have a late night block, there would be no way that it could be aired. As for edited versions, that's immediately out of the question. It's been confirmed that Ocean's Z Kai will be uncut by some voice actors, so it doesn't make sense for them to make an un-edited dub of the series if they would only air an edited version on YTV. Now you might be saying how FUNimation technically did just that with their dub by airing the edited versions of Nicktoons and Vortexx and releasing the uncut versions on Blu-ray and DVD. Well, there's one big difference between the two. According to what I've read on this thread, the Ocean dub is planned to be exclusively on television and not on any home video. So it makes zero sense for Ocean to make an uncut dub that will never see the light of day but release an edited version, going against everything we have learnt up to this point.

As for Sailor Moon, there's a snowball's chance in hell of it ever being edited in any way. The whole point of Viz Media's re-dub of the entire series is to make up for the edited dub we got from DiC and CWi. Plus Viz Media is practically yelling from the rooftops how their version is completely uncut and true to the original, so there is no way they'd go against that and edit a single thing.

YTV has pretty much turned it's back on Japanese animation at this point, why however I will probably never know. But obviously whatever YTV is doing is working since this has been a big transition since 2010 and has seemed to work. I don't expect Bionix will ever make a comeback, but what I do expect is Teletoon at Night to one day have a similar block to Toonami. I don't expect it to have the exact same line-up as Toonami, but I could see a line-up of Viz Media/Ocean titles like Bionix used to have with maybe one or two big titles like Sailor Moon.

Ytv has turned into complete horse shit these last 5 years.

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sangofe wrote:
TheBlackPaladin wrote: Although, this leave something of a predicament...if this is going to be our Moby Dick of a dub, then we need a Captain Ahab. Not me, though. Call me Ishmael.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you reword, please?
Ha, I apologize, pay that no mind. That was just a joke relating to somebody referring to the Ocean dub of Kai as a "Moby Dick" of a dub. Captain Ahab is a character in the book, "Moby Dick," obsessed with finding the white wale of the same name, and the the main character refers to himself as Ishmael, with the opening words of the book being, "Call me Ishmael." It was a (not so great) joke by an American literature nerd for fellow American literature nerds. :oops:
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Post by Attitudefan » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:22 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:
sangofe wrote:
TheBlackPaladin wrote: Although, this leave something of a predicament...if this is going to be our Moby Dick of a dub, then we need a Captain Ahab. Not me, though. Call me Ishmael.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you reword, please?
Ha, I apologize, pay that no mind. That was just a joke relating to somebody referring to the Ocean dub of Kai as a "Moby Dick" of a dub. Captain Ahab is a character in the book, "Moby Dick," obsessed with finding the white wale of the same name, and the the main character refers to himself as Ishmael, with the opening words of the book being, "Call me Ishmael." It was a (not so great) joke by an American literature nerd for fellow American literature nerds. :oops:
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Post by TheWhiz » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:54 pm

Attitudefan wrote:
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sangofe wrote:What I make of it: this will never be aired or released anywhere. I hope I'm wrong, though, since I love comparing dubs.
I admit, I'm a little bummed and worried that this dub still isn't out, but there is a reason I still believe it will be seen at some point: Canada. Kai has still not aired on Canadian TV in any way, shape, or form. Considering that this dub is being produced in Canada, I think it's doubtful that that's a coincidence.

If the FUNimation dub airs on Canadian TV at some point, then at that point, I will be convinced that we're not going to see the Ocean dub. Only at that point, though.
Then what would happen to the Ocean Dub?

I almost have a feeling FUNimation is waiting for some kind of special release and will present the ocean dub on a special edition of Kai on a Blu Ray. So there would be 3 language tracks, two of which are in English: English (USA), English (Canada), Japanese.
If only, if fucking only. But could you imagine how much disk space that would use up?

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Post by Puto » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:12 pm

Audio tracks don't really take much space on a Blu-ray.
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Post by NitroEX » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:26 pm

Or even better, have interchangeable English performances for each character. :wink:

I've always wished that was a feature in the games. Impossible I know but a guy can dream.

Anyway I can't see Funimation releasing this dub themselves. There'd be too many disgruntled members of their in house cast not to mention Chris Sabat would be out of work! :lol:

They did release the RtD set which was unexpected I admit but in hindsight it makes sense when you consider the DVD format was on it's last legs and they had no other way to profit from the Saban/Ocean footage other than one last DVD release. I think someone else is in charge of the dub but we'll probably never find out who.

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