Scsigs wrote: Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
I love the Buu arc, I really do but MAN some of the writing is just bad, why on earth didn't Goku use IT to get to Bulma's parents home and get the radar himself, no way Babidi and Buu were gonna get there before Goku using IT, "Bulma where is the dragon radar", "spaceship". 2 seconds later Goku comes back. Job done. Not a day wasted going SS3 for no reason.
And then finding out Goku couldve beat Buu but then entrusting two kids he barely knows to a technique he barely knows in theory yet when he finds out people are dying on Earth he has the cheek to be angry/upset stfu dude. "Oh technically I'm not alive and shouldn't be here so I shouldn't be the one to end it", ooooh really mate? Buu being summoned was your f*cking fault having a prissy ballet match with Vegeta suddenly you weren't too dead for that mate, and then being an absolute tool falling for the fake truce ruse.
I'm sorry but I think this maybe the worst I've seen Goku written. Unbelievable stuff.
Oh, Super has a LOT worse Goku moments, trust me. This has been said in other places, but asspulls, man. Asspulls aplenty in this arc after a little while. SS3? Just a cool power-up that goes against what was set up for Goku fighting Vegeta. Goku could've beat Buu at SS3? Yeah, just apparently part of Goku's reckless idiocy to let Goten & Trunks have a go at fighting Buu. This is, honestly, where Goku's character started to slip in both his sanity & common sense, not that he had much in the way of THAT before this arc, but at least he still could be counted upon to help do the right thing all the time. Actually, it probably started when he let Gohan fight Cell, but this is really where it came to a head. It's probably where Toei's looking to write Goku in Super. Toriyama always said that Goku's always meant to be a bit selfish, but the writing staff of Super really
flanderized how much he most likely meant. Schemmel's gonna have a field day berating Goku's characterization in Super, I'm sure.
I dunno most of goofball idiot SuperGoku is happening at inconsequential times so it is fine with me, the closest he has come to actions causing danger is the current arc but then that isn't his fault at all since Zen-Oh planned to erase anyway.
Anyway I think SS3 being introduced was the worst thing to happen, at this point the plot of the Buu arc was like thin ice it was just about working, then SS3 happened and everything broke. It retroactively ruined the Majin fight, perhaps that is why Toriyama made the fight short in the Manga? Along with SS3 the revelation Goku could win but didn't on purpose created a false sense of tension, not to mention SS3 has too much of drawback from draining time and reducing fusion etc. Honestly not sure why Toriyama intro'd it at all.
You are right actually, Goku should have learned from Gohan in Cell arc, Gohan messed around and basically made Goku sacrifice himself and even after all that Gohan still needed Goku's help to finally beat Cell.
Anyway started Part 3, the dub is fire! So so so so so so so good, just a shame the problems are out of FUNi's hand ie music.