That's true about his character being complex but I don't think his atonement near the end of the series justifies him sounding any less evil especially when he still displays a mean attitude after being revived.ABED wrote:Wrong on both counts. I never said he was a good guy, he's simply far less world conqueringly evil than he used to be and it has nothing to do with being accustomed to Sabat's version of the character. I've always held this opinion. And Vegeta didn't plot to become Majin Vegeta because he's the ultimate evil, he's more conflicted than you seem to give him credit for. He thought it was what he wanted but as we quickly see, that's not the case.
Also I could argue that Vegeta's atonement and sacrifice are more impactful to a viewer because he sounds inherently villainous in the first place. If I'm fully invested in the character being evil at that point it's all the more surprising when he does something redeeming and heroic.
Also your comments imply that Drummond's Vegeta didn't change over time when it clearly did. Maybe it was still evil sounding to you compared to the princely Sabat Vegeta but there's a noticeable change from his early performance to make it sound less villainous during his calmer moments.
Sure, but in animation the casting directors go with commonly known archetypes for the voices so that it's universally understood. Unless it's something like a comedy where the aim is to throw people's expectations off I don't see any logical reason why Vegeta's voice should be very deep like it is in the Z redub. Granted the Kai version is better but I would still take Drummond's higher pitched voice over Sabat's as I feel it fits Vegeta's overall appearance better.ABED wrote:They aren't rare either.NitroEx wrote:more so when you factor in his small stature and the fact that short men with deep voices are the exception NOT the
It might not be the only reason you like him (you might just prefer the texture of Sabat's voice) but you can't pretend that years of hearing the same voice in almost every English adaptation doesn't have an effect on you or others. I admittedly have my biases as well but I'm not going to act like Sabat's performance is perfect when I constantly hear flaws in it.ABED wrote:Thanks for implying that I only like Vegeta because it's the voice I'm familiar with.NitroEx wrote:(especially not those who've been force fed Sabat for over 10 years) but I feel the need to occasionally bring balance to these deluded arguments against Drummond's Vegeta.
I understand that but screams are still a part of the performance and I merely pointed out why Drummond did a better job during that particular scream, he basically conveyed the right emotion to go with the picture. Even during the talking parts of that scene you can hear that Drummond sounds angrier than Sabat's take so to me that makes it more convincing. Some might say this is "over acting" but I think a theatrical performance is more appropriate for animation especially something as over the top as DBZ.ABED wrote:It doesn't lack emotion. There's no argument that Drummond is incredibly talented and has amazing screams (even better than Horikawa), but don't confuse screams with acting.NitroEx wrote:It lacks in emotion though, something Drummond's Vegeta was never short of.
I disagree, to me that scene clearly calls for grandeur not subtlety. If you want to get technical about he's just destroyed half a stadium, people are panicking and the dust is still settling indicated by the rubble flying around him. All this commotion is going to obscure his speech if he were to talk quietly so it makes perfect sense for him to raise his voice. In the previous moments there was silence around the group so talking at a normal level was appropriate, not here though.ABED wrote:I prefer Sabat in this particular scene, Vegeta is far more subdued in that moment than Drummond's take would have you believe.NitroEx wrote:Another one that comes to mind is this and this. Sabat's version here is virtually monotone in comparison.