The one scene that is SO much better with the Kikuchi score

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The one scene that is SO much better with the Kikuchi score

Post by TVfan721 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:37 pm

The scene where Goku sacrifices himself to get rid of Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcD1ScKgqUk

The Kikuchi music they use for this scene is PERFECT. Why did Kikuchi never use this theme in the original version?

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Post by Doctor. » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:41 pm

The Yamamoto score used there fit the scene better, in my opinion.

If I'm not mistaken, that track was used for the first time on movie 7? I'll never be able to hear that and not think of the Genkidama at the end of the Boo arc.

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Post by Naruto6583 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:12 pm

tvfan721 wrote:The scene where Goku sacrifices himself to get rid of Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcD1ScKgqUk

The Kikuchi music they use for this scene is PERFECT. Why did Kikuchi never use this theme in the original version?
It wasn't up to him he just composes the score. The sound director is the one that places it
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Post by DB1984 » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:10 pm

As much as I like the Yamamoto score, I think the Kikuchi replacement would have been equally as good, if they had more of his music from the original DB available digitally (in short, Pre-DBZ). Too often the replacement music was stuff from the M7XX Series.

Like I said in another thread, his best music was stuff from the original series that never got released.

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Post by Nightmare Wheel » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:27 pm

I do agree, but I think that's just because I'm a sucker for that song in general. One of Kikuchi's best, that's for sure.

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Post by Araki » Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:59 pm

Doctor. wrote:The Yamamoto score used there fit the scene better, in my opinion.

If I'm not mistaken, that track was used for the first time on movie 7? I'll never be able to hear that and not think of the Genkidama at the end of the Boo arc.
Yeah, it's used in movie 7, in the Genki Dama scene too. One of my favorite DB pieces.

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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:26 am

tvfan721 wrote:The scene where Goku sacrifices himself to get rid of Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcD1ScKgqUk

The Kikuchi music they use for this scene is PERFECT. Why did Kikuchi never use this theme in the original version?
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:26 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
tvfan721 wrote:The scene where Goku sacrifices himself to get rid of Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcD1ScKgqUk

The Kikuchi music they use for this scene is PERFECT. Why did Kikuchi never use this theme in the original version?
Miyashita Shigeru selected the music placement for the first three television series.
Did Miyashita Shigeru leave Toei or did Toei choose themselves a new person in charge of music placement?

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Post by Puto » Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:13 pm

tvfan721 wrote:The scene where Goku sacrifices himself to get rid of Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcD1ScKgqUk

The Kikuchi music they use for this scene is PERFECT. Why did Kikuchi never use this theme in the original version?
In Z, it was used for Boo's death. Made the scene amazing.
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Post by Big Momma » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:18 pm

The scene where Freeza is torturing Krillin after having impaled him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULD9w8va9sk

The track used here just captures the despair of the moment so well.
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Post by TheWhiz » Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:50 pm

tvfan721 wrote:The scene where Goku sacrifices himself to get rid of Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcD1ScKgqUk

The Kikuchi music they use for this scene is PERFECT. Why did Kikuchi never use this theme in the original version?
That good ol' M1420 score. I was watching my Season 2 Kai DVD, and they used this exact piece of music twice in the Frieza Saga. If anyone else here has the Manga UK Blu Ray you'd know that they switched the score on disks 3 & 4 from Yamamoto to the Kikuchi score. Anyways, back on to the scenes where they used said piece of music. They use M1420 when Goku starts charging up the Spirit Bomb against & again in the aftermath of the Spirit Bomb where Goku & Piccolo resurface from the water.

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Post by Doctor. » Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:56 pm

Big Momma wrote:The scene where Freeza is torturing Krillin after having impaled him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULD9w8va9sk

The track used here just captures the despair of the moment so well.
I honestly think Kai's score was almost as good. It doesn't capture the despair as well, but it's a lot more emotional, I feel.

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Post by Captain-Sora » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:44 am

Big Momma wrote:The scene where Freeza is torturing Krillin after having impaled him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULD9w8va9sk

The track used here just captures the despair of the moment so well.
Hell, yeah. The choir-less rendition of Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle main motif. Also, something about the usage of the second piece during that scene is hilarious, given that it's one of the renditions of Kami's theme from Dead Zone. It's like the music's going "Where is your God now!?" or something.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:28 pm

Big Momma wrote:The scene where Freeza is torturing Krillin after having impaled him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULD9w8va9sk

The track used here just captures the despair of the moment so well.
Doctor. wrote: I honestly think Kai's score was almost as good. It doesn't capture the despair as well, but it's a lot more emotional, I feel.
I'm a strong Faulconer supporter, but even I can admit that scene is a million times better in the original Japanese version and Kai.
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Post by kei17 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:54 pm

tvfan721 wrote:The scene where Goku sacrifices himself to get rid of Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcD1ScKgqUk

The Kikuchi music they use for this scene is PERFECT. Why did Kikuchi never use this theme in the original version?
I fully disagree. That track (M1420) doesn't capture Goku's fatalistic sense and apology. It sounds like they're trying to make the scene moving and heroic, but I think it's a shock and desperation that the scene is actually about. Also, the music keeps playing even while Krillin screams Goku's name, which awfully lessens the impact that the moment originally had. It even drones on after Goku and Cell arrive at Kaio's planet and kills the surprising amusingness.

I find the Z version far better than that. It was perfect.
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