emperior wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:31 pmThe reason is quite simple: plot.Mister_Popo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:05 pmemperior wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:51 pm
Kaioken is a technique. Goku doesn’t have to use it all the time, same as he doesn’t always use the Genkidama.
The fact he used it more throughout the Tournament of Power against Jiren just indicates that, with the tournament being such a serious and dire situation, Goku was willing to risk everything to win it.
Against Broly Goku had already decided, once he started to get pummeled, that if the situation got worse he would have teleported himself and Vegeta over to Piccolo to fuse.
Also he was faring well enough with normal Super Saiyan Blue before Broly turned Super Saiyan, and at that point Goku was already low on stamina and when he saw not even teaming up with Vegeta was changing things, he probably realized Kaioken would have been useless too, and way too risky to pull off.
Either way, Kaioken not being used in the movie doesn’t make the movie suddenly part of a different continuity from the anime. And nothing in the movie contradicts the anime events.
There’s no reason as to why Goku would use the unmastered Blue version, though, had this been the strict continuation of the manga. The fact the movie was produced by Toei also is basically an indicator that if follows more their continuity.
Maybe the Tournament of Power was even more extreme because of the stakes. MUI and "Royal" SSB weren't standard and both forms could be considered unmastered at the time. But the battle against SSJ Broly, in which they had to learn a fusion technique they didn't know, was pretty extreme as well. I don't see a fundamental reason why Goku wouldn't have used Kaioken, which was no longer "limit-breaker" but established in battle combined with Blue at the time since U6 arc already, in the fight against Broly. Toriyama knew this, but apparently he didn't shoose to use it for a reason. The only reason i see he didn't is because he applied his own logic. And this while he overseed the movies more than the anime, as he had more opportunity to control and rectify its details at the end.
And the plot made it quite clear that Goku was stronger than Broly as a Super Saiyan Blue, and after Broly transforms Goku is so outclassed not even the help of Vegeta helps the situation. At that point it’s clear not even Kaioken would do it, so they decide to go for the fusion. Which of course happens because the plot was written in order for Gogeta to appear.
And Goku used Kaioken just once in the Future Trunks arc, again due to plot reasons.
How come, when they both attacked Broly at full strength (last combined attack Garlick Gun / Kamehameha in Blue without fusion), Goku didn't have to use Kaioken at all? They apparently gave it all. It was a last desperate attack before transportation to Piccolo who ultimately saved them with a new technique. Kaioken means a power boost from 2 to 20 times. Why would he have used nothing, even no considerable two times boost on a mighty post-TOP Blue, which should have translated in a red aura? I honestly don't see how the reason lies in the plot.