DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...

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Re: DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...

Post by Matches Malone » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:13 am

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And, since the thread topic discusses the manga, it may be poignant to note that Vegeta actually beat Goku Black in the manga, and drives a lot of the Future Trunks arc in that medium.
He also beat him during their second fight in the anime, the difference between that and the manga is he didn't humiliate him, as he was allowed to fall back behind his clones.

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Re: DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...

Post by Dragon Wukong » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:58 am

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The Buu saga was Vegeta becoming a good person. First fighting for those he loves, and then learning to work with Goku. That's why Vegito happens, that's why the Kid Buu fight happens.
The issue with that is Vegeta becoming a "good person" immediately predates him dying and being taken out of the story for most of the arc post-Buu resurrection. Note that immediately after this, most of the focus shifts to Gohan being the one with the potential to take out Buu, with Gotenks and Goku fending him off just buying time for Gohan's inevitable comeback. While that comeback ends up being fruitless, it's still a focus for the majority of the arc.

Let me give you some perspective. Volumes 20 to 26 of DBZ make up the Majin Buu saga. The first one, volume 20, focuses almost entirely on Gohan, who with Goku dead, is filling in for the role of protagonist proper. Vegeta's death is in Chapter 274, partway through volume 23. Vegeta does not come back until chapter 306, 2 chapters before the end of volume 25 and the start of the final volume. That's 2 whole volumes later. Gohan's arc compromises a majority of the focus in the Buu arc as a whole, even when Goku comes back to fill in the role as protagonist. Vegeta can't be the deuteragonist of the Buu arc as a whole when he isn't even present for an entire volume of the arc.

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Re: DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...

Post by Mad Swami » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:41 am

Dragon Wukong wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:58 am
Mad Swami wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:43 pm
The Buu saga was Vegeta becoming a good person. First fighting for those he loves, and then learning to work with Goku. That's why Vegito happens, that's why the Kid Buu fight happens.
The issue with that is Vegeta becoming a "good person" immediately predates him dying and being taken out of the story for most of the arc post-Buu resurrection. Note that immediately after this, most of the focus shifts to Gohan being the one with the potential to take out Buu, with Gotenks and Goku fending him off just buying time for Gohan's inevitable comeback. While that comeback ends up being fruitless, it's still a focus for the majority of the arc.

Let me give you some perspective. Volumes 20 to 26 of DBZ make up the Majin Buu saga. The first one, volume 20, focuses almost entirely on Gohan, who with Goku dead, is filling in for the role of protagonist proper. Vegeta's death is in Chapter 274, partway through volume 23. Vegeta does not come back until chapter 306, 2 chapters before the end of volume 25 and the start of the final volume. That's 2 whole volumes later. Gohan's arc compromises a majority of the focus in the Buu arc as a whole, even when Goku comes back to fill in the role as protagonist. Vegeta can't be the deuteragonist of the Buu arc as a whole when he isn't even present for an entire volume of the arc.
Who said immediately? It wasn't immediate. Gohan and Buutenks are used similarly to Piccolo on Namek vs Frieza. Vegeta is in the Buu saga for the most important parts. Majin Vegeta, Vegito vs Buuhan, and the fight with Kid Buu. Gohan, Vegeta, and Goku are the main characters of DBZ IMO

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Re: DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...

Post by sangofe » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:31 am

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How will Goku defeat this young Moro?

Will he learn to finally activate MUI at will, and use it without any drawbacks?

Or will there be a new transformation for him?
Can you please refrain from making titles that spoil? Thanks!

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Re: DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...

Post by Dragon Wukong » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:00 pm

sangofe wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:31 am
Can you please refrain from making titles that spoil? Thanks!
The title doesn't really spoil anything. You need the context of the chapter to really understand what "Vegeta served his purpose" means. Heck, it's doubtful Goku will even beat Moro. Also, the chapter was released over a week ago and you're on the Dragon Ball forum. People will want to discuss it.

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Re: DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...

Post by sangofe » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:10 am

Dragon Wukong wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:00 pm
sangofe wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:31 am
Can you please refrain from making titles that spoil? Thanks!
The title doesn't really spoil anything. You need the context of the chapter to really understand what "Vegeta served his purpose" means. Heck, it's doubtful Goku will even beat Moro. Also, the chapter was released over a week ago and you're on the Dragon Ball forum. People will want to discuss it.
This title does give away something and titles can be done so they don't. Please don't do that, thanks.

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Re: DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:11 pm

Maybe they will fuse into MUI Evolved Gogeta, and hope Moro doesn't copy Vegeta's new ability? They would probably need to teleport away from Earth to complete the fusion though or Moro will stop them

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