"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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UpFromTheSkies wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:57 am
New spoilers:
<snip>
Can anyone translate them?
I don't really want to go through the chapter in bits like this, so I'll only address one thing for now:
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Post by Yuji » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:22 pm

Maybe some Sharingan-esque Genjutsu.

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Post by UpFromTheSkies » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:48 pm

Yuji wrote:
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Maybe some Sharingan-esque Genjutsu.
He does have the eye, it could be a huge nod to Naruto, although a lot of people would probably complain and say it's a rip off.

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Alruneia wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:14 pm
UpFromTheSkies wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:57 am
New spoilers:
<snip>
Can anyone translate them?
I don't really want to go through the chapter in bits like this, so I'll only address one thing for now:

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Post by Super Murjin » Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:09 pm

wow so Granolah is on MUI Goku's level ?!
Unless Goku powered down to base and then that's when Granolah took advantage of him letting his guard down once again.

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This feels like a fanfic character who just has every ability ever

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OLKv3 wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:33 pm
This feels like a fanfic character who just has every ability ever
It kinda is absurd. Cell was justified by having everyone's DNA. This guy doesn't, but you're telling me his race is just able to learn anything during their life span. What's next, regeneration?

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Post by OLKv3 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:59 pm

Xeogran wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:44 pm
OLKv3 wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:33 pm
This feels like a fanfic character who just has every ability ever
It kinda is absurd. Cell was justified by having everyone's DNA. This guy doesn't, but you're telling me his race is just able to learn anything during their life span. What's next, regeneration?
Don't forget the stretchy arms

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Post by jd55513 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:01 pm

Been saying this for awhile now. Don't be surprised if full power Granolah has silver hair UI too. I did two videos going into my theory of WHY Granolah likely has UI and Hakai.

Theory :
https://youtu.be/-gkVxwyThw8

Chapter 72 review:

https://youtu.be/u3g6RXdQRns

I'll bet Money Granolah has UI and Hakai. To me it's so obvious. The speed at which he blitzed Goku and Vegeta while it may seem like just superfast speed. It's surprised Goku, who was using UI!

Then when ssj Goku thought he found Granolah, he fired a blast and the panels of the blast about to hit Granolah, it zoomed on his face who had a blank expression. Then he "teleports" behind Goku/Vegeta....just like Merus, Whis, and even UI Goku vs Jiren.

The speed and sound effects of the panel match UI and not IT.

I also did two videos on it, looking at the evidence and the past arcs of Toyataro foreshadowing

The Dragon made him the Strongest in terms of techniques. That is, to be the greatest warrior the Dragon had to know who the Strongest warrior was.

Which is Goku. Why is Goku Strong? Because of Techniques like UI and Hakai (he has knowledge of it)

So the Dragon required a sacrifice to give him those moves, which shouldn't be surprising since he learned Bukujutsu and ki sensing.

Watch my videos I carefully go over the past history of Toyotaro foreshadowing with the Zeno button and Moro/ Merus hand theory

Remember you can have UI and Hakai and still be weaker than the gods. Case in point Goku lol

The teleportation Granolah did was faster than the technique of IT. Implying something else. We know UI movements are faster(Whis)
The sound effect bubbles in the manga for UI are generally "FWP" and "FSH"

While IT can sometimes have FSH. However, because Goku notes that it is faster than IT, the only technique we know that is faster is Kai Kai, which is exclusive to Kaioshin.
So the only thing faster is UI
Now as for the likely counterarguments being of the following:
"JD there are characters who are faster than UI". No,There are characters faster than the "body" of UI users.
Jiren is a example. However the teleportation Granolah did was a technique, not just speed. Leaving only UI
Finally the other counter argument.
JD the Dragon couldnt give Granolah UI and Hakai because he omitted the power of the other gods.
While that's true, Goku and Vegeta have those God techniques AND are still WEAKER than the gods of Universe 7.
Goku is likely the strongest mortal

As for in chapter 72, when Vegeta said the technique was "similar to destruction".
The reason he didn't confirm Granolah was using Hakai was because he and Goku have NO REASON to believe that another mortal was able to obtain the god techniques, without god training from Whis and Beerus.
That's the key, they don't know about the wish.
Goku asked Vegeta if he thinks Granolah has their techniques
Which Vegeta said "Ridiculous!..."

Vegeta doesn't even think Granolah is the strongest in the universe, when we, the audience know he is.

As for other counterarguments, such as "Well JD, Granolah doesn't have the mindset to use UI"
Did Moro have the mindset to use UI? No he stole it by cheating and using a Andriods copy ability. Why is it hard to believe that Dragon Balls can do the same thing?
Both are, from a literature point of view, dues ex machina devices.

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Post by Alruneia » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:19 pm

OLKv3 wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:59 pm
Xeogran wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:44 pm
OLKv3 wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:33 pm
This feels like a fanfic character who just has every ability ever
It kinda is absurd. Cell was justified by having everyone's DNA. This guy doesn't, but you're telling me his race is just able to learn anything during their life span. What's next, regeneration?
Don't forget the stretchy arms
I don't think you can learn biological abilities like that. You can copy them with 7-3, though, for what it's worth, and 7-3 is still around.
Anyway, to the fanfic character comment, yeah, I have to agree, I am getting serious "playground RP fight" vibes at the moment. By that, I mean things like the infamous Sephiroth vs Tails roleplay. The kid who was roleplaying as Tails kept pulling attacks and abilities out of nowhere in order to one-up the kid roleplaying as Sephiroth, and when Sephiroth finally had Tails on the ropes despite all that, Tails revealed that it was all just a hologram. Doesn't that ring a bell?
Hopefully this apparent dynamic will change when the full chapter comes out, or at least once the opening act ends.
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Jack Bz wrote:
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LightBing wrote:
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Post by ZodiacBeast » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:47 pm

UpFromTheSkies wrote:
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LightBing wrote:
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Nah, that'll be the next enemy.

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Post by Kinokima » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:37 pm

Do we know if the Vegeta page is the last page? I hope not because it’s the same last page they have done way too many
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Post by WittyUsername » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:02 pm

Why are we still doing this thing where Goku and Vegeta take turns fighting their opponent? It’s so tiresome at this point.

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