Bullza wrote:Jigurashi wrote:He beat Goku in Z, a greater win than anything he's ever gotten since.
That was back when he was a main villain himself so that doesn't really count.
Why is Freeza counted as a win for Vegeta?
Well he beat him. That Frieza took everyone out with a suicide attack doesn't stop Vegeta from giving him a beat down. Gohan gave Cell a beat down before he went to blow himself up. When did Vegeta ever give a main villain in his strongest form a beat down in Z?
His beatdown on Black isn't any greater than his beatdown on Semi-Perfect Cell.
It is because he didn't get stomped a couple minutes afterward when Black powered up. If this was Z then upon Black obtaining the scythe he would have kicked the shit out of Vegeta and then Goku would have beaten him.
Him beating Cabba, Magetta, and Frost isn't any better than defeating Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon, or Jeice.
Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon and Jeice were nothing more than mere underlings. Vegeta beat a bunch of henchmen. Frost, Cabba and Magetta are at least supposed to be powerful warriors, amongst the strongest beings in that universe and he beat them all, back to back without any rest.
It's definitely his best string of victories, but he isn't exactly treated any better in Super than in Z.
He lost countless times in battle in Z so that someone else could then fight that person and beat him. It happened with Recoome, it happened with Frieza, it happened with Android 18, it happened with Cell and it happened with Buu.
In Super it's only happened with Beerus and Hit but at least there when Goku fought them he still lost as well. Aside from those two the only other fight he's lost was against Black but that's fine because everyone was getting knocked around by him.
TheSaiyanGod wrote:He needs to defeat someone of his level if it would not be a total waste.
He defeated Golden Frieza, made him cop out and blow the planet up like a coward when he knew he was about to be slaughtered.
The only one Goku has even beat on that level was Hit, the one time and you could consider than draw even. He lost against Beerus, lost against Hit, lost against Black (Vegeta had the better performance against him), drew with Toppo and drew with Golden Frieza.