"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by perucho1990 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:18 pm

The Hakaishins fighting in the manga is the manga version of Zeno Exhibition match.

Why would either Toei or Toyo go against Toriyamas outline?

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Post by Jigurashi » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:19 pm

All in all, the anime version of that scene was just quite vague.

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Post by GodKaio-Ken » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:25 pm

perucho1990 wrote:The Hakaishins fighting in the manga is the manga version of Zeno Exhibition match.

Why would either Toei or Toyo go against Toriyamas outline?

It isn't going against the outline IMO. My guess is the outline, much like many manga, doesn't include enough content to fill a story out and needs "extra" to flesh itself out in anime form.

There is a LOT more that goes into an anime vs a manga so differences should be expected.
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Post by perucho1990 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:47 pm

I liked Toeis idea of the Zenos exhibition matches because we got to see Buu fight, sucks that we wont see him fight in the manga.

GodVegetto91 wrote:Do some people seriously believe one of those two U4 bugs is actually stronger than Jiren???!
Then why isnt Jiren main eventing the ToP Arc? Why would even Whis hype Universe 4?

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Post by Xeogran » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:53 pm

If Damom & Gamisaras turn out to be that strong, then I'll be very pleasantly surprised. All this focus on Jiren, but there's now a slight chance he may not be the main deal of ToP after all.

I just want them to do something cool.

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Post by RedHeat » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:57 pm

But that literally makes NO sense.

Why would a couple of bugs that need to hide be God-level? Nevermind Toriyama's troll tactics. Also, we saw one of 'em briefly in Episode 100 fighting one of the fodder without winning.
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Post by Xeogran » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:02 pm

RedHeat wrote:Also, we saw one of 'em briefly in Episode 100 fighting one of the fodder without winning.
What, really? Why would Toei do that...

smh, I think it's just a misunderstanding, there's no way any of them would be visible that early.

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:04 pm

RedHeat wrote:But that literally makes NO sense.

Why would a couple of bugs that need to hide be God-level? Nevermind Toriyama's troll tactics. Also, we saw one of 'em briefly in Episode 100 fighting one of the fodder without winning.
Xeogran wrote:If Damom & Gamisaras turn out to be that strong, then I'll be very pleasantly surprised. All this focus on Jiren, but there's now a slight chance he may not be the main deal of ToP after all.

I just want them to do something cool.
It wouldn't be a surprise if toei just told you.

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Post by Sandubadear » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:05 pm

RedHeat wrote:But that literally makes NO sense.

Why would a couple of bugs that need to hide be God-level? Nevermind Toriyama's troll tactics. Also, we saw one of 'em briefly in Episode 100 fighting one of the fodder without winning.
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Post by Michsi » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:08 pm

I smell fusion dance. Two physically identical warriors that aren't that impressive looking all on their own? Have we ever seen what metamoreans (or however the race that taught Goku the fusion dance are spelled) look like?

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Post by RedHeat » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:12 pm

Sandubadear wrote:
RedHeat wrote:But that literally makes NO sense.

Why would a couple of bugs that need to hide be God-level? Nevermind Toriyama's troll tactics. Also, we saw one of 'em briefly in Episode 100 fighting one of the fodder without winning.
Pics or didn't happen.
I thought it was at 0:08 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJjO0U24d8 but it turns out it's that weird cylinder robot with the yellow eyeballs instead. Whoops.
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Post by Shounen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:21 pm

perucho1990 wrote:Why would even Whis hype Universe 4?
For fun, probably.

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Post by Riczi » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:08 pm

Quitela won arm wrestling match against Beerus. Does it mean that Quitela is stronger than Beerus? I don't think so. So this "mortal stronger than god of destruction, who is stronger than Beerus" may not be stronger than Beerus.

Manga version of Zen Exhibition Match is not over. Maybe someone will beat Beerus (presumably Vermoud) and all in all Jiren will be this "mortal stronger than GoD (...)".

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Post by HeroR » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:17 pm

vashter wrote:Does anyone think zeno is so damn weak? I mean I get he omnipotent all powerful without breaking a sweat, but fighting sense is really bad.. Of course beerus is the one stated that he doesn't fight but have insane power by a large margin. However, if zeno is really weak I bet Krillin ki blast would have kill him, and wonder what will happened?
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Post by supersaiyangodgogeta » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:19 pm

"There is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat."

"That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus sama."

When Whis says "That God of Destruction", it's the same one he talked about in the previous sentence.

Whis is comparing the mortal to a specific god of destruction that happens to be stronger than beerus. Nothing in the statement would logically imply that said mortal and god come from the same universe. No reason that the mortal can't be jiren.

One way to make this easier to understand would be:

"There is a universe(Universe 11) where lives a mortal(Jiren) even a God of Destruction(Quitela) can't defeat."

"That God of Destruction(Quitela) happens to be stronger than Beerus sama."

Comparing the mortal and god is just a frame of reference to emphasize said mortals strength. Said mortal and god were not stated to be from the same universe.

"There is a universe where lives a mortal even Quitela can't beat and Quitela is stronger than Beerus."

That's basically what Whis is saying.

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Post by Loputousu » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:44 pm

Uh, maybe the reason Quitela couldn't defeat Damom was because he's so good at hiding, not because he's strong...?

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Post by TheOne » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:56 pm

perucho1990 wrote:The Hakaishins fighting in the manga is the manga version of Zeno Exhibition match.

Why would either Toei or Toyo go against Toriyamas outline?
Where's this outline you're referring to? I want to see it
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Post by TheOne » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:07 pm

supersaiyangodgogeta wrote:"There is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat."

"That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus sama."

When Whis says "That God of Destruction", it's the same one he talked about in the previous sentence.

Whis is comparing the mortal to a specific god of destruction that happens to be stronger than beerus. Nothing in the statement would logically imply that said mortal and god come from the same universe. No reason that the mortal can't be jiren.

One way to make this easier to understand would be:

"There is a universe(Universe 11) where lives a mortal(Jiren) even a God of Destruction(Quitela) can't defeat."

"That God of Destruction(Quitela) happens to be stronger than Beerus sama."

Comparing the mortal and god is just a frame of reference to emphasize said mortals strength. Said mortal and god were not stated to be from the same universe.

"There is a universe where lives a mortal even Quitela can't beat and Quitela is stronger than Beerus."

That's basically what Whis is saying.
You Jiren hommers keep reaching :roll:

Vermoud showed no evidence of even knowing who Jiren was when Toppo first mentioned him. Or else he wouldn't of been so concerned about Toppo being able to handle Goku in the tournament.

Those references you used could be applied to ANY mortal in ANY universe. Why can't you just accept that Jiren is the poster antagonist this arc and that this mortal doesnt have to be him? He could easily be someone in a future arc.
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Post by supersaiyangodgogeta » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:22 pm

What are you even talking about? Nothing you said has anything to do with my post.

No, Whis' statement can't apply to every mortal since every mortal can't beat a god of destruction stronger than beerus

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