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mfwlegend3 wrote:Because, believe it or not, this fandom is really gullible. Some people on other sites from what I’ve seen really thought this was real.
I'm just saying, it seems stupid to call fan art fake when it isn't trying to be passed off as real. It's especially annoying in the Dragon Ball fanbase because we constantly misuse words so much that the dictionary is crying.
I don’t see what the problem is. Whatever the original poster intended it to be is completely overshadowed by people who take the image and re-upload it on other sites to mislead fans who would believe it to be a leak or some sort, especially younger fans. It’s happened before.

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ssjprodigy wrote:New Dragon Ball merch with Ult. Gohan, Vegito and another mysterious fighter
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Post by Lionel » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:59 am

Those figurines really seem to prove the idea of Saiyans selling above all else. I think the only recent merchandise which did not involve Super Saiyan or Saiyans in general were some Jiren and Hit toys. I guess a Roshi or #18 figurine from the recent arc doesn't sound as appealing as Kale, Vegeta or Gohan.

Does this have any possible implications on the expected importance of this or that character?

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Post by TheOne » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:06 am

Kinokima wrote:
HeroR wrote:
Kinokima wrote:
No you still have not told me what makes them more compelling characters except you don't like Vegeta still wanting to surpass Goku. That is literally the only reason you gave. You ignore the fact that Vegeta wanting to surpass Goku is not a negative thing. He doesn't see Goku as an enemy he has to destroy but as a rival. There is a big difference. But even so Vegeta's entire character development is not tied around whether he would give up on Goku. It's about learning to care about others above himself. Which when push comes to shove he still very much does in this arc.




Except I am absolutely NOT saying Goku challenging Jiren is the same as Vegeta challenging Perfect Cell. You are missing the point . What I am saying is Vegeta challenging someone stronger than him is also not the same as the things he did in the Cell saga. And if Vegeta is in the wrong here (which I don't think he is at most I think he isn't being very smart) than you are giving Goku a free pass. I don't think either Vegeta or Goku are in the wrong for god forbid challenging someone stronger than them.




Except you ignore any development that Vegeta has gotten to fit your narrative. You are not explaining how these other characters have better development than Vegeta. Vegeta's character development isn't tied to wanting to surpass Goku at all. Just because Vegeta wants to surpass Goku doesn't mean that is the only thing there is about his character. Besides paying attention when Goku is fighting an exceptionally strong opponent, Vegeta has barely mentioned Goku in this arc. And this arc is all about fighting. I am waiting to hear all the amazing character development that every one else (except maybe Roshi) has gotten in this arc so far.

You say Gohan thought of his family. Sure that was a nice moment. How does it have more weight than Vegeta saying he is not going to let the Saiyans disappear? Or being his Tsundere self and jumping into help Goku, Cabba, and Roshi. But these type of character moments have been few and far between in this arc for everyone. But according to you only Vegeta hasn't gotten any development. This is completely false.



So why exactly is Vegeta trying to challenge Jiren then? He either thinks he can win or he just wants to fight this strong opponent that Goku did. But no he is just delusional even though he has shown very clearly he is aware of exactly what is going around him (maybe too aware)




Please you are clearly exaggerating Vegeta's so called embarrassment. He was perfectly fine after all these fights. Vegeta takes losing badly I'll give you that but he wasn't horribly put out by any of these fights and he moved on just fine from all of them.



But again its okay for Goku to fight stronger opponents. If the only way Vegeta is putting anyone in danger is by fighting opponents stronger than him than he is certainly not the only one doing this. This is completely hypocritical.
I’m not going to list the reasons why the characters I named are more compelling and you completely missed my point. Vegeta trying to surpass Goku isn’t the problem. The problem is that Vegeta is obsessed with surpassing Goku to the point that is the majority of his character and because of that, he will remain a second place loser.

Using Perfect Cell of all things was dumb and that’s still isn’t the same as Goku fighting Jiren, especially when Vegeta wanting to fight Cell was more of an ego trip for Vegeta since he never considered that he could lose.

If I have to write how Krillin and Gohan got more devopment in this arc then Vegeta, then to be frank you’re the one not paying attention. For one, Gohan is finally addressing the flaws that has been his downfall in the Cell and Buu Saga and learning that he just can’t get angry to unlock his true power. That and being too focus on his family isn’t always good. Krillin got his fighting spirit back and helped show Gohan and Goku how they need to change their mentally for this tourument. Vegeta has gotten almost no development outside seeing the same relationship he formed with Cabba several arcs ago. And Vegeta only helped Roshi after Frost shoot at him. You’re telling me he didn’t sense Roshi in danger before then despite being so close and he wasn’t even doing anything.

Because he’s an idiot, unless he’s holding back UI level of power. Vegeta isn’t one who like real challenges. He’s a false challenge seeker who only really enjoy fighting people who can give him a decent challenge, but can’t beat him, like Cell and Super Buu. The moment someone shows themselves to be superior to him, he whines.

Vegeta was as fine as he was pushing, otherwise he would have thanked Goku for saving him against Freeza, given Goku some advise against Hit, and not be as salty as he was against Black.

You’re still ignoring that Jiren came to Goku and Goku didn’t know how much Jiren outclass him. Vegeta has neither of these excuses, so he’s just being needless reckless and stupid.

It’s pretty clear you are completely biased in your hatred for Vegeta. This is not character analysis but character bashing. Seriously your compelling argument that Vegeta is a second class loser.


And no I don’t think any of the characters you listed have better development in this arc than Vegeta. And you haven’t proven anything except you are selective in what you consider good development. All your examples happened BEFORE the tournament actually started. Yeah they were great moments for Gohan & Krillin. But please show me all their character development in the actual tournament. Gohan still has a chance of course but Krillin is already out.

If we are going by the recruitment episode Vegeta even refused to enter the tournament until his daughter was born. Yeah so he’s only obsessed with Goku.... So no Gohan & Krillin did not get more character development than Vegeta overall.

The arc is too focused on fighting not character development. But apparntly one line here & there is sufficient for other characters. But when Vegeta shows there is more underneath what he says it’s not real character development. Again Vegeta has been portrayed best when the episode actually focuses on him like 107 & 112. When there is just a cut of Vegeta fighting then he isn’t going to get the most development. But this is true for every character.

Seriously you don’t like his character. You think other characters are more compelling & better developed good for you but your blind hatred & character bashing is ridiculous.

See the difference between me and you I expect every U7 character to have a moment to shine before they are gone: The Androids, Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo & of course Goku. This may not happen but I don’t want any character to embarrass themselves and I hope the story does them all justice. I certainly don’t think the purpose of any character is to embarras themselves. But then again I don’t see any character in a negative light like that.


I didn’t mention Freeza because he is up to no good. But know he still has an important part to play.
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Post by Kaiosama » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:24 am

TheOne wrote:
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HeroR wrote:
I’m not going to list the reasons why the characters I named are more compelling and you completely missed my point. Vegeta trying to surpass Goku isn’t the problem. The problem is that Vegeta is obsessed with surpassing Goku to the point that is the majority of his character and because of that, he will remain a second place loser.

Using Perfect Cell of all things was dumb and that’s still isn’t the same as Goku fighting Jiren, especially when Vegeta wanting to fight Cell was more of an ego trip for Vegeta since he never considered that he could lose.

If I have to write how Krillin and Gohan got more devopment in this arc then Vegeta, then to be frank you’re the one not paying attention. For one, Gohan is finally addressing the flaws that has been his downfall in the Cell and Buu Saga and learning that he just can’t get angry to unlock his true power. That and being too focus on his family isn’t always good. Krillin got his fighting spirit back and helped show Gohan and Goku how they need to change their mentally for this tourument. Vegeta has gotten almost no development outside seeing the same relationship he formed with Cabba several arcs ago. And Vegeta only helped Roshi after Frost shoot at him. You’re telling me he didn’t sense Roshi in danger before then despite being so close and he wasn’t even doing anything.

Because he’s an idiot, unless he’s holding back UI level of power. Vegeta isn’t one who like real challenges. He’s a false challenge seeker who only really enjoy fighting people who can give him a decent challenge, but can’t beat him, like Cell and Super Buu. The moment someone shows themselves to be superior to him, he whines.

Vegeta was as fine as he was pushing, otherwise he would have thanked Goku for saving him against Freeza, given Goku some advise against Hit, and not be as salty as he was against Black.

You’re still ignoring that Jiren came to Goku and Goku didn’t know how much Jiren outclass him. Vegeta has neither of these excuses, so he’s just being needless reckless and stupid.

It’s pretty clear you are completely biased in your hatred for Vegeta. This is not character analysis but character bashing. Seriously your compelling argument that Vegeta is a second class loser.


And no I don’t think any of the characters you listed have better development in this arc than Vegeta. And you haven’t proven anything except you are selective in what you consider good development. All your examples happened BEFORE the tournament actually started. Yeah they were great moments for Gohan & Krillin. But please show me all their character development in the actual tournament. Gohan still has a chance of course but Krillin is already out.

If we are going by the recruitment episode Vegeta even refused to enter the tournament until his daughter was born. Yeah so he’s only obsessed with Goku.... So no Gohan & Krillin did not get more character development than Vegeta overall.

The arc is too focused on fighting not character development. But apparntly one line here & there is sufficient for other characters. But when Vegeta shows there is more underneath what he says it’s not real character development. Again Vegeta has been portrayed best when the episode actually focuses on him like 107 & 112. When there is just a cut of Vegeta fighting then he isn’t going to get the most development. But this is true for every character.

Seriously you don’t like his character. You think other characters are more compelling & better developed good for you but your blind hatred & character bashing is ridiculous.

See the difference between me and you I expect every U7 character to have a moment to shine before they are gone: The Androids, Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo & of course Goku. This may not happen but I don’t want any character to embarrass themselves and I hope the story does them all justice. I certainly don’t think the purpose of any character is to embarras themselves. But then again I don’t see any character in a negative light like that.


I didn’t mention Freeza because he is up to no good. But know he still has an important part to play.
You’re wasting your time talking to HeroR.
But really though... Vegeta is trash and deserves to be put in the bleachers soon after doing what he does best... getting bodied and making Goku look like a God. :D

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Post by sintzu » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:59 am

Kaiosama wrote:Vegeta is trash and deserves to be put in the bleachers soon after doing what he does best... getting bodied and making Goku look like a God. :D
Never mind the fact that in the manga he got Black all to himself and saved Goku from fused Zamasu.
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Kaiosama wrote:
TheOne wrote:
Kinokima wrote:

It’s pretty clear you are completely biased in your hatred for Vegeta. This is not character analysis but character bashing. Seriously your compelling argument that Vegeta is a second class loser.


And no I don’t think any of the characters you listed have better development in this arc than Vegeta. And you haven’t proven anything except you are selective in what you consider good development. All your examples happened BEFORE the tournament actually started. Yeah they were great moments for Gohan & Krillin. But please show me all their character development in the actual tournament. Gohan still has a chance of course but Krillin is already out.

If we are going by the recruitment episode Vegeta even refused to enter the tournament until his daughter was born. Yeah so he’s only obsessed with Goku.... So no Gohan & Krillin did not get more character development than Vegeta overall.

The arc is too focused on fighting not character development. But apparntly one line here & there is sufficient for other characters. But when Vegeta shows there is more underneath what he says it’s not real character development. Again Vegeta has been portrayed best when the episode actually focuses on him like 107 & 112. When there is just a cut of Vegeta fighting then he isn’t going to get the most development. But this is true for every character.

Seriously you don’t like his character. You think other characters are more compelling & better developed good for you but your blind hatred & character bashing is ridiculous.

See the difference between me and you I expect every U7 character to have a moment to shine before they are gone: The Androids, Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo & of course Goku. This may not happen but I don’t want any character to embarrass themselves and I hope the story does them all justice. I certainly don’t think the purpose of any character is to embarras themselves. But then again I don’t see any character in a negative light like that.


I didn’t mention Freeza because he is up to no good. But know he still has an important part to play.
You’re wasting your time talking to HeroR.
But really though... Vegeta is trash and deserves to be put in the bleachers soon after doing what he does best... getting bodied and making Goku look like a God. :D
Well we definitely don’t agree with that since he’s my favorite character. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
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Post by Whatever » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:42 am

Lionel wrote:Those figurines really seem to prove the idea of Saiyans selling above all else. I think the only recent merchandise which did not involve Super Saiyan or Saiyans in general were some Jiren and Hit toys. I guess a Roshi or #18 figurine from the recent arc doesn't sound as appealing as Kale, Vegeta or Gohan.

Does this have any possible implications on the expected importance of this or that character?
Nope,as you can see Vegito keeps getting figurines despite appearing for like 5 minutes and doing mostly nothing.

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Post by Michsi » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:55 am

Whatever wrote:
Lionel wrote:Those figurines really seem to prove the idea of Saiyans selling above all else. I think the only recent merchandise which did not involve Super Saiyan or Saiyans in general were some Jiren and Hit toys. I guess a Roshi or #18 figurine from the recent arc doesn't sound as appealing as Kale, Vegeta or Gohan.

Does this have any possible implications on the expected importance of this or that character?
Nope,as you can see Vegito keeps getting figurines despite appearing for like 5 minutes and doing mostly nothing.
Not to mention that Goku, Gohan, Vegetto all use the same basic model that only needs a minimal amount of refitting to pass off as another character. There was this post in the merchandise thread that had like Goku/Vegeta figures version A, B or C and I swear it was the exact same figure used for all three except they recolored the hair to SSJ and SSJB respectively.
Basically it's really cost effective to focus on the saiyans as they are not only popular but easy to make, and you can sale them as separate characters with the smallest of alterations.

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Post by hardcorefakes » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:00 am

Whatever wrote:
Lionel wrote:Those figurines really seem to prove the idea of Saiyans selling above all else. I think the only recent merchandise which did not involve Super Saiyan or Saiyans in general were some Jiren and Hit toys. I guess a Roshi or #18 figurine from the recent arc doesn't sound as appealing as Kale, Vegeta or Gohan.

Does this have any possible implications on the expected importance of this or that character?
Nope,as you can see Vegito keeps getting figurines despite appearing for like 5 minutes and doing mostly nothing.
Except for beating the hell out of Majin Buu and Zamasu and just being an all-around badass... :wink:

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Post by Xeogran » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:04 am

Episode 117:

17 vs Rozie
18 vs Ribrianne

If it's only these two the Androids are taking on, then I guess they won't be the deleted universe in 118, but U6 after all...

B-Plot:

Vegeta will try to imitate Ultra Instinct himself but fail, then gets attacked by Katopesla from U3. I wonder how it'll go, and whatever happens to Toppo.

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Post by Michsi » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:14 am

Yeah, but if Rozie and Ribrianne lose in this episode, who would be left in U2 to look out for? 117 might be about the remaining U2 being driven to the extreme once they see their strongest fighters out.

U6 is also a likely contender with Kefla out.

Really interested in this Katsopesla vs. Vegeta fight. Pleeeeeaaaaase let him get saved by Freeza.

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Post by JazzMazz » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:15 am

hardcorefakes wrote:
Whatever wrote:
Lionel wrote:Those figurines really seem to prove the idea of Saiyans selling above all else. I think the only recent merchandise which did not involve Super Saiyan or Saiyans in general were some Jiren and Hit toys. I guess a Roshi or #18 figurine from the recent arc doesn't sound as appealing as Kale, Vegeta or Gohan.

Does this have any possible implications on the expected importance of this or that character?
Nope,as you can see Vegito keeps getting figurines despite appearing for like 5 minutes and doing mostly nothing.
Except for beating the hell out of Majin Buu and Zamasu and just being an all-around badass... :wink:
For five minutes.

Before defusing.

Then getting his ass handed to him.

Why do people like him again?
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Post by vashter » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:15 am

Xeogran wrote:Episode 117:

17 vs Rozie
18 vs Ribrianne

If it's only these two the Androids are taking on, then I guess they won't be the deleted universe in 118, but U6 after all...

B-Plot:

Vegeta will try to imitate Ultra Instinct himself but fail, then gets attacked by Katopesla from U3. I wonder how it'll go, and whatever happens to Toppo.
You fr or you making this up?

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Post by JazzMazz » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:17 am

vashter wrote:
Xeogran wrote:Episode 117:

17 vs Rozie
18 vs Ribrianne

If it's only these two the Androids are taking on, then I guess they won't be the deleted universe in 118, but U6 after all...

B-Plot:

Vegeta will try to imitate Ultra Instinct himself but fail, then gets attacked by Katopesla from U3. I wonder how it'll go, and whatever happens to Toppo.
You fr or you making this up?
These are from Herms twitter so no, they are not being made up.

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Post by Kataphrut » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:22 am

I like that the last page of this thread was about whether or not Vegeta's regressed as a character, then we get this latest batch of summaries. It's like a sitcom moment.

"There's more to Vegeta's character than foolishly chasing after Goku. Just look at him!"
(gestures to Vegeta, who's standing in the corner trying to imitate Ultra Instinct)
"Mmf. Urgh. I will surpass you Kakarot. I AM THE BEST AT NOT THINKING ABOUT THINGS!"

So if Katopesra's after him, does this means he beats Toppo? I really hope not.

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Post by Yomi » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:22 am

Noah wrote:
ssjprodigy wrote:New Dragon Ball merch with Ult. Gohan, Vegito and another mysterious fighter
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
https://twitter.com/figsoku/status/930936200247963649
I hope this time is a new antagonist! But probably is a new transformation or a fusion :problem:
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Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:27 am

Episode 117 is about the whole of Universe 2 and Zirloin, Rabanra and Zarbuto will probably help Rozie and Ribrianne like how Vikal did.

I am going to guess that Vegeta allows himself to get him really hard by Toppo and lands right next to Katopesla for another little scene. Vegeta will probably get angry about not getting Ultra Unstinct and will knock Katopesla out.

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Post by sintzu » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:36 am

Kataphrut wrote:So if Katopesra's after him, does this means he beats Toppo? I really hope not.
Even their writing can't be that bad, having someone like Toppo lose off screen or in half an episode. Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised. Let's just hope those 2 Saiyan wannabees are finally out.
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Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:09 am

sintzu wrote:
Kataphrut wrote:So if Katopesra's after him, does this means he beats Toppo? I really hope not.
Even their writing can't be that bad, having someone like Toppo lose off screen or in half an episode. Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised. Let's just hope those 2 Saiyan wannabees are finally out.
He is not beating Toppo that quick.

Caulifla na Kale have to br out as that is 6 episodes dedicated to them.

Hopefully Universe 2 are next.

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