"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Post by Jigurashi » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:37 pm

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dbzfan7 wrote:Who honestly didn't expect Goku and Jiren in the finals? It was practically set up since the very beginning. If it wasn't I'd be disappointed.
I mean it is in the intro.
That and the fact that DB doesn't really hide things like this usually either

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Post by GamerSkull » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:56 pm

I, for one, am pretty excited to see the final battle between Goku and Jiren.

I only wish the Ultra Instinct portion of the fight would last an episode longer than it purportedly is.

I'm kind of sour on DBS as a whole so all I really need is for an enjoyable fight to conclude the series. I just hope the ending isn't a "reset" of all the universes coming back.
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Post by sintzu » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:59 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Who honestly didn't expect Goku and Jiren in the finals? It was practically set up since the very beginning. If it wasn't I'd be disappointed.
The show is also ending so of course it's going to go out on a big Goku fight.
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Post by BlueBasilisk » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:08 pm

GamerSkull wrote:I, for one, am pretty excited to see the final battle between Goku and Jiren.

I only wish the Ultra Instinct portion of the fight would last an episode longer than it purportedly is.

I'm kind of sour on DBS as a whole so all I really need is for an enjoyable fight to conclude the series. I just hope the ending isn't a "reset" of all the universes coming back.
Well, if they pull a Future Trunks and wrap the series up in the second half of 131, Goku vs Jiren could last 2 1/2 episodes. It's a little unclear if he's going to go UI at the tail end of 128 or some time in 129.

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Post by OverHeaven » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:10 pm

Remember when Dragon Ball arcs had so many turns and twists, villains which were not the final antagonist, but were the main threat for a decent number of episodes, and even unique multiple transformations for the final villain? None of that is present here.

Before Frieza we had Zarbon and Dodoria, then the Ginyuu Force, and Frieza himself had 3 unique transformations.
Before Cell, Gero and 19, then 18&17&16 and of course Cell with 2 unique transformations.
Before Kid Buu. Babidi with his multiple Majin warriors and Dabura, Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu, Super Buu > Buutenks > Buuhan.

God, I really miss these days. Here we knew the main antagonist from the very first fucking episode of the arc, multiple episodes before he even appears or someone even mentions him.

Since this is a tournament that had 7 new fucking universes , it would've been cool had they introduced at least two new strong characters besides Jiren and Hit (from different universes) and let their power level difference be not so big or obvious. Having multiple potential winners or potential main antagonist to universe 7 would've been great and fun to guess.
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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by GamerSkull » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:15 pm

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GamerSkull wrote:I, for one, am pretty excited to see the final battle between Goku and Jiren.

I only wish the Ultra Instinct portion of the fight would last an episode longer than it purportedly is.

I'm kind of sour on DBS as a whole so all I really need is for an enjoyable fight to conclude the series. I just hope the ending isn't a "reset" of all the universes coming back.
Well, if they pull a Future Trunks and wrap the series up in the second half of 131, Goku vs Jiren could last 2 1/2 episodes. It's a little unclear if he's going to go UI at the tail end of 128 or some time in 129.
That's a good point and a part of he hopes that it does. But then it'll take up time from any actual wrap-up to the series... which another part of me would prioritize.
I feel like the fight should have started earlier and have ended midway through 130 so we get a good episode and a half of wrap-up.

So I think it ultimately comes down to whether people want a longer fight or more time for an actual series finale.

But at this point, I know it isn't good of me to expect both so I've decided that I'd rather see more of an enjoyable fight seeing as how I'm not really into the story of Super as I was for original DB.
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Post by sintzu » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:17 pm

OverHeaven wrote:Remember when Dragon Ball arcs had so many turns and twists, villains which were not the final antagonist, but were the main threat for a decent number of episodes, and even unique multiple transformations for the final villain? None of that is present here.

Before Frieza we had Zarbon and Dodoria, then the Ginyuu Force, and Frieza himself had 3 unique transformations.
Before Cell, Gero and 19, then 18&17&16 and of course Cell with 2 unique transformations.
Before Kid Buu. Babidi with his multiple Majin warriors and Dabura, Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu, Super Buu > Buutenks > Buuhan.

God, I really miss these days. Here we knew the main antagonist from the very first fucking episode of the arc, multiple episodes before he even appears or someone even mentions him.
I'd love for them to write like that again in the future but keep in mind that it was the result of Toriyama not thinking that far ahead so if he did maybe those arcs would've ended up the way the current ones are.
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Post by emperior » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:22 pm

OverHeaven wrote:Remember when Dragon Ball arcs had so many turns and twists, villains which were not the final antagonist, but were the main threat for a decent number of episodes, and even unique multiple transformations for the final villain? None of that is present here.

Before Frieza we had Zarbon and Dodoria, then the Ginyuu Force, and Frieza himself had 3 unique transformations.
Before Cell, Gero and 19, then 18&17&16 and of course Cell with 2 unique transformations.
Before Kid Buu. Babidi with his multiple Majin warriors and Dabura, Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu, Super Buu > Buutenks > Buuhan.

God, I really miss these days. Here we knew the main antagonist from the very first fucking episode of the arc, multiple episodes before he even appears or someone even mentions him.
What's wrong with it? This is not the first time it happens.
Tenshinan was immediately introduced as the main foe at the 22nd Budokai, the we also had King Piccolo who was revealed since the beginning as the villain of the arc, and the same happened at the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi.
And on Namek it was always clear that Freeza was the main villain. Only the Androids arc had its turn of events where it went from 20 and 19, to 18 and 17 and then to Cell and we know that it happened because of Toriyama's editors. Buu arc always presented Buu as the final villain and even though he changed forms it was still always Buu the villain and nobody else.

This arc's main problem is that Jiren isn't a interesting antagonist and the episodic format makes every episode feel disconnected.
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Post by Totamo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:27 pm

OverHeaven wrote:Remember when Dragon Ball arcs had so many turns and twists, villains which were not the final antagonist, but were the main threat for a decent number of episodes, and even unique multiple transformations for the final villain? None of that is present here.

Before Frieza we had Zarbon and Dodoria, then the Ginyuu Force, and Frieza himself had 3 unique transformations.
Before Cell, Gero and 19, then 18&17&16 and of course Cell with 2 unique transformations.
Before Kid Buu. Babidi with his multiple Majin warriors and Dabura, Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu, Super Buu > Buutenks > Buuhan.

God, I really miss these days. Here we knew the main antagonist from the very first fucking episode of the arc, multiple episodes before he even appears or someone even mentions him.

Since this is a tournament that had 7 new fucking universes , it would've been cool had they introduced at least two new strong characters besides Jiren and Hit (from different universes) and let their power level difference be not so big or obvious. Having multiple potential winners or potential main antagonist to universe 7 would've been great and fun to guess.
Personal opinion but that wasn't always a good thing. It worked with Freeza because he was an emperor but he didn't really need to have 2 extra forms when they all did the exact same thing.

The android saga was worse because of this, 20 and 19 accomplished nothing, 16,17 and 18 can't even be called villains because they did nothing evil and Cel's transformations made him worse as time went on.


The Buu saga is bashed for this exact reason because it feels like Toriryama didn't know how to end and it was clusterfuck because of it.

The dragon ball arcs didn't do that as well. The tournament arcs were played straight forward, the red ribbon army arc was about the dragon balls not the villains, king piccolo was introduced at the beginning and the saiyan saga were about the saiyans.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by Totamo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:30 pm

emperior wrote:
OverHeaven wrote:Remember when Dragon Ball arcs had so many turns and twists, villains which were not the final antagonist, but were the main threat for a decent number of episodes, and even unique multiple transformations for the final villain? None of that is present here.

Before Frieza we had Zarbon and Dodoria, then the Ginyuu Force, and Frieza himself had 3 unique transformations.
Before Cell, Gero and 19, then 18&17&16 and of course Cell with 2 unique transformations.
Before Kid Buu. Babidi with his multiple Majin warriors and Dabura, Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu, Super Buu > Buutenks > Buuhan.

God, I really miss these days. Here we knew the main antagonist from the very first fucking episode of the arc, multiple episodes before he even appears or someone even mentions him.
What's wrong with it? This is not the first time it happens.
Tenshinan was immediately introduced as the main foe at the 22nd Budokai, the we also had King Piccolo who was revealed since the beginning as the villain of the arc, and the same happened at the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi.
And on Namek it was always clear that Freeza was the main villain. Only the Androids arc had its turn of events where it went from 20 and 19, to 18 and 17 and then to Cell and we know that it happened because of Toriyama's editors. Buu arc always presented Buu as the final villain and even though he changed forms it was still always Buu the villain and nobody else.

This arc's main problem is that Jiren isn't a interesting antagonist and the episodic format makes every episode feel disconnected.
episodic formats can be connected, ask avatar the last airbender.


This arc's main problem is that it promised too much and it didn't live up to expectations.Which does include Jiren being an antagonist.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by OverHeaven » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:35 pm

emperior wrote:
OverHeaven wrote:Remember when Dragon Ball arcs had so many turns and twists, villains which were not the final antagonist, but were the main threat for a decent number of episodes, and even unique multiple transformations for the final villain? None of that is present here.

Before Frieza we had Zarbon and Dodoria, then the Ginyuu Force, and Frieza himself had 3 unique transformations.
Before Cell, Gero and 19, then 18&17&16 and of course Cell with 2 unique transformations.
Before Kid Buu. Babidi with his multiple Majin warriors and Dabura, Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu, Super Buu > Buutenks > Buuhan.

God, I really miss these days. Here we knew the main antagonist from the very first fucking episode of the arc, multiple episodes before he even appears or someone even mentions him.
What's wrong with it? This is not the first time it happens.
Tenshinan was immediately introduced as the main foe at the 22nd Budokai, the we also had King Piccolo who was revealed since the beginning as the villain of the arc, and the same happened at the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi.
And on Namek it was always clear that Freeza was the main villain. Only the Androids arc had its turn of events where it went from 20 and 19, to 18 and 17 and then to Cell and we know that it happened because of Toriyama's editors. Buu arc always presented Buu as the final villain and even though he changed forms it was still always Buu the villain and nobody else.

This arc's main problem is that Jiren isn't a interesting antagonist and the episodic format makes every episode feel disconnected.
I also said "villains which were not the final antagonist, but were the main threat for a decent number of episodes" or "unique multiple transformations for the final villain". I didn't claim all past Dragon Ball arcs were like that, it's not a problem in itself but not when the whole series is like this! The best they did was merged Zamasu and even that wasn't that interesting.

And before you talk about Toppo and the others besides Jiren, all warriors besides Kefla were given one or two episodes at most and you can tell they were treated like some nuisances in the way and should be disposed of as soon as possible. Never possessed a real threat, just fake and forced.

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Post by HeroR » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:46 pm

OverHeaven wrote:
emperior wrote:
OverHeaven wrote:Remember when Dragon Ball arcs had so many turns and twists, villains which were not the final antagonist, but were the main threat for a decent number of episodes, and even unique multiple transformations for the final villain? None of that is present here.

Before Frieza we had Zarbon and Dodoria, then the Ginyuu Force, and Frieza himself had 3 unique transformations.
Before Cell, Gero and 19, then 18&17&16 and of course Cell with 2 unique transformations.
Before Kid Buu. Babidi with his multiple Majin warriors and Dabura, Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu, Super Buu > Buutenks > Buuhan.

God, I really miss these days. Here we knew the main antagonist from the very first fucking episode of the arc, multiple episodes before he even appears or someone even mentions him.
What's wrong with it? This is not the first time it happens.
Tenshinan was immediately introduced as the main foe at the 22nd Budokai, the we also had King Piccolo who was revealed since the beginning as the villain of the arc, and the same happened at the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi.
And on Namek it was always clear that Freeza was the main villain. Only the Androids arc had its turn of events where it went from 20 and 19, to 18 and 17 and then to Cell and we know that it happened because of Toriyama's editors. Buu arc always presented Buu as the final villain and even though he changed forms it was still always Buu the villain and nobody else.

This arc's main problem is that Jiren isn't a interesting antagonist and the episodic format makes every episode feel disconnected.
I also said "villains which were not the final antagonist, but were the main threat for a decent number of episodes" or "unique multiple transformations for the final villain". I didn't claim all past Dragon Ball arcs were like that, it's not a problem in itself but not when the whole series is like this! The best they did was merged Zamasu and even that wasn't that interesting.

And before you talk about Toppo and the others besides Jiren, all warriors besides Kefla were given one or two episodes at most and you can tell they were treated like some nuisances in the way and should be disposed of as soon as possible. Never possessed a real threat, just fake and forced.
So basically like the androids outside of Cell? And Super had antagonists that were a different style than Z starting with Beerus. Champa was the main force of his arc, the characters just never fought him. Hit was the dragon. And there was Black and Zamasu long before Merged Zamasu.
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emperior wrote:
OverHeaven wrote:Remember when Dragon Ball arcs had so many turns and twists, villains which were not the final antagonist, but were the main threat for a decent number of episodes, and even unique multiple transformations for the final villain? None of that is present here.

Before Frieza we had Zarbon and Dodoria, then the Ginyuu Force, and Frieza himself had 3 unique transformations.
Before Cell, Gero and 19, then 18&17&16 and of course Cell with 2 unique transformations.
Before Kid Buu. Babidi with his multiple Majin warriors and Dabura, Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu, Super Buu > Buutenks > Buuhan.

God, I really miss these days. Here we knew the main antagonist from the very first fucking episode of the arc, multiple episodes before he even appears or someone even mentions him.
What's wrong with it? This is not the first time it happens.
Tenshinan was immediately introduced as the main foe at the 22nd Budokai, the we also had King Piccolo who was revealed since the beginning as the villain of the arc, and the same happened at the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi.
And on Namek it was always clear that Freeza was the main villain. Only the Androids arc had its turn of events where it went from 20 and 19, to 18 and 17 and then to Cell and we know that it happened because of Toriyama's editors. Buu arc always presented Buu as the final villain and even though he changed forms it was still always Buu the villain and nobody else.

This arc's main problem is that Jiren isn't a interesting antagonist and the episodic format makes every episode feel disconnected.
episodic formats can be connected, ask avatar the last airbender.


This arc's main problem is that it promised too much and it didn't live up to expectations.Which does include Jiren being an antagonist.
Not really true since a lot of those promises were met, just not in the way fans wanted or fans looking at things that weren’t really there to begin with like most of everything with U4.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:53 pm

HeroR wrote:Not really true since a lot of those promises were met, just not in the way fans wanted or fans looking at things that weren’t really there to begin with like most of everything with U4.
Finally someone with some lick of sense! Gohan said he wants to achieve power differently than Goku and it's not the shows fault that people took that to mean Gohan is getting a new form! And we are stuck with "Vegeta is getting everything Gohan was promised" BS.

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Post by HeroR » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:57 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
HeroR wrote:Not really true since a lot of those promises were met, just not in the way fans wanted or fans looking at things that weren’t really there to begin with like most of everything with U4.
Finally someone with some lick of sense! Gohan said he wants to achieve power differently than Goku and it's not the shows fault that people took that to mean Gohan is getting a new form! And we are stuck with "Vegeta is getting everything Gohan was promised" BS.
I always read Gohan’s statement as something to work forward in the future. I never saw it as him getting a new form, especially since Gohan got a massive jump before the tourument.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Post by BlueBasilisk » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:13 pm

HeroR wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
HeroR wrote:Not really true since a lot of those promises were met, just not in the way fans wanted or fans looking at things that weren’t really there to begin with like most of everything with U4.
Finally someone with some lick of sense! Gohan said he wants to achieve power differently than Goku and it's not the shows fault that people took that to mean Gohan is getting a new form! And we are stuck with "Vegeta is getting everything Gohan was promised" BS.
I always read Gohan’s statement as something to work forward in the future. I never saw it as him getting a new form, especially since Gohan got a massive jump before the tourument.
I saw it as that, a handwave to explain why they didn't go the Super Saiyan God ritual on him before the tournament or give him God Ki, and as a way to at least try and set him on his own path so he's not stuck just being a diet Goku. But then that stupid Gohan Blanco meme took off.

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:19 pm

"Episode 128: With Noble Pride to the End! Vegeta Falls!!"

Here we go again. The prince will talk about his pride again, won't he?! :roll:
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Post by Spider-Man » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:39 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:"Episode 128: With Noble Pride to the End! Vegeta Falls!!"

Here we go again. The prince will talk about his pride again, won't he?! :roll:
He will have another Final flash,Tsundere and a nakama moment again :thumbup:
    I really wish they give Vegeta a new technique,Gamma Burst Flash sounds cool.
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    Post by GamerSkull » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:54 pm

    Spider-Man wrote:
    FortuneSSJ wrote:"Episode 128: With Noble Pride to the End! Vegeta Falls!!"

    Here we go again. The prince will talk about his pride again, won't he?! :roll:
    He will have another Final flash,Tsundere and a nakama moment :thumbup: .
    Maybe he'll lose and repeat his "No. 1" speech while watching UI Goku from the stands?
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    GamerSkull wrote:
    Maybe he'll lose and repeat his "No. 1" speech while watching UI Goku from the stands?
    This is a solid prediction, like we totally needed to see that scene again :problem: .

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    Post by GamerSkull » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:59 pm

    Spider-Man wrote:
    GamerSkull wrote:
    Maybe he'll lose and repeat his "No. 1" speech while watching UI Goku from the stands?
    This is a solid prediction, like we totally needed to see that scene again :problem: .
    Maybe Vegeta will just stare in silence but we'll get a flashback of that speech instead. And then we'll notice the jarring change in animation styles.
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