RedHeat wrote:I'd hate to be a Vegeta fan right about now.
Any, ANY Vegeta fan bitches, I'm done with that section of the fandom forever.
Most of the episodes this year have been about Vegeta and most of them were bad because they were trying to make Vegeta look good nonsensically. i don't blame them for that because that they did that with a ton of characters and yes, it was Toei. Now nothing is good because instead of having a good final fight between the main character and the main antagonist, we have at the most one episode if we are lucky.
Toei pandered to a part of the fandom that would never be satisfied as usual it cost them and i am willing to defend them on many things, Vegeta should have went out in 122. 17 and Gohan defeated by Destroyer Toppo and Freeza takes him out, then he refuses to help Goku leaving him on his own.
But you no what, its fine, its all fine. Because the show ends in 3 episodes and I honestly don't care anymore how they end it because it will still feel hollow. Lets just finish this.
Agreed. Vegeta far overstayed his welcome in this tourney. His annoying pride speeches were such a regression in character and made him unbearable, and now it's taking away from the main fight. What bugged me the most was that he got rewarded for his cocky arrogant behavior when the series had always punished him for his attitude prior to this. Why the change? It couldn't be pandering? The Beyond Super Saiyan Blue transformation felt so forced and honestly probably should have gone to Gohan so that he could have been with his father in the end. That would have had a much more emotional impact than Vegeta did in this episode. Hopefully Toyotaro doesn't screw this up in the Manga.
RedHeat wrote:I'd hate to be a Vegeta fan right about now.
Any, ANY Vegeta fan bitches, I'm done with that section of the fandom forever.
Most of the episodes this year have been about Vegeta and most of them were bad because they were trying to make Vegeta look good nonsensically. i don't blame them for that because that they did that with a ton of characters and yes, it was Toei. Now nothing is good because instead of having a good final fight between the main character and the main antagonist, we have at the most one episode if we are lucky.
Toei pandered to a part of the fandom that would never be satisfied as usual it cost them and i am willing to defend them on many things, Vegeta should have went out in 122. 17 and Gohan defeated by Destroyer Toppo and Freeza takes him out, then he refuses to help Goku leaving him on his own.
But you no what, its fine, its all fine. Because the show ends in 3 episodes and I honestly don't care anymore how they end it because it will still feel hollow. Lets just finish this.
Agreed. Vegeta far overstayed his welcome in this tourney. His annoying pride speeches were such a regression in character and made him unbearable, and now it's taking away from the main fight. What bugged me the most was that he got rewarded for his cocky arrogant behavior when the series had always punished him for his attitude prior to this. Why the change? It couldn't be pandering? The Beyond Super Saiyan Blue transformation felt so forced and honestly probably should have gone to Gohan so that he could have been with his father in the end. That would have had a much more emotional impact than Vegeta did in this episode. Hopefully Toyotaro doesn't screw this up in the Manga.
This arc is fanservice and everyone should get theirs. I agree with that.
TheSaiyanGod wrote:Vegeta's participation in this episode was so pathetic that I can not even describe it.
Half an episode for such a shameful display? Ridiculous
TOEI doing the usual, demoting Vegeta
Right. Because you were expecting BASE Vegeta to put up a good fight against Jiren?
Of course not. Why does he need to stay in base form throughout the fight? Energy has never been important in DBS, it's not hard to make him have any kind of rage boost at the end thinking of Bulma.
But all the flashbacks were useless at all
Kenneth La Torre wrote:OMFG. Vegeta fans can’t be pleased. It’s just better to ignore them.
Would you be satisfied if the last episode of a character you liked was so ridiculous?
Vegeta was eliminated in the middle of the episode, did absolutely nothing against Jiren and all the flashbacks were useless. No matter his participation in the tournament, I'm specifically talking about this episode and in that episode he was pathetic
Zamasu55 wrote:
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Right. Because you were expecting BASE Vegeta to put up a good fight against Jiren?
For once, Toei didn't screw things up and they still complain. Pathetic.
TOEI did not screw things up?
What did Vegeta do in this episode?
Oh please. Cry me a river. All you want from vegeta seems to be where he scales in strength. That’s not all to a character. Today’s episode wasn’t about vegeta shining in power, but it was about character development, and to make it emotional (which they did). Vegeta was great this episode, and as a fan, I’m happy that he lasted this long. And I’m terms of power, he defeated a freaking hakaishin. Not complaining in that.
Vegeta got an incredible amount of love in the Tournament Of Power. From battles to character growth, I think the Universal Survival arc in the best Vegeta has ever been handled.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
FortuneSSJ wrote:Doesn't matter who wins, people would still complain about power levels.
MR.Mark wrote:I can't wait for a future arc of Super where Roshi takes on a resurrected Raditz who achieved Ultra Instinct by watching Goku do it while he was in hell.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Lord Beerus wrote:Vegeta got an incredible amount of love in the Tournament Of Power. From battles to character growth, I think the Universal Survival arc in the best Vegeta has ever been handled.
You think that making the same boring speech over, and over, and over again is the best Vegeta has ever been handled?
Lord Beerus wrote:Vegeta got an incredible amount of love in the Tournament Of Power. From battles to character growth, I think the Universal Survival arc in the best Vegeta has ever been handled.
You think that making the same boring speech over, and over, and over again is the best Vegeta has ever been handled?
What "boring speech" are you referring to?
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
FortuneSSJ wrote:Doesn't matter who wins, people would still complain about power levels.
MR.Mark wrote:I can't wait for a future arc of Super where Roshi takes on a resurrected Raditz who achieved Ultra Instinct by watching Goku do it while he was in hell.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Lord Beerus wrote:Vegeta got an incredible amount of love in the Tournament Of Power. From battles to character growth, I think the Universal Survival arc in the best Vegeta has ever been handled.
You think that making the same boring speech over, and over, and over again is the best Vegeta has ever been handled?
What "boring speech" are you referring to?
You know, about fulfilling his promise, and beating Jiren with his own hands, those lines we've been hearing for 5 episodes now.
Lord Beerus wrote:Vegeta got an incredible amount of love in the Tournament Of Power. From battles to character growth, I think the Universal Survival arc in the best Vegeta has ever been handled.
You think that making the same boring speech over, and over, and over again is the best Vegeta has ever been handled?
What "boring speech" are you referring to?
All of his boring and redundant pride speeches in the last 6 episodes.
Doctor. wrote:
You think that making the same boring speech over, and over, and over again is the best Vegeta has ever been handled?
What "boring speech" are you referring to?
You know, about fulfilling his promise, and beating Jiren with his own hands, those lines we've been hearing for 5 episodes now.
I don't really see why that's an issue. He's basically re-affirming a goal of his. That's something Vegeta does in nearly every arc he's prominent in.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
FortuneSSJ wrote:Doesn't matter who wins, people would still complain about power levels.
MR.Mark wrote:I can't wait for a future arc of Super where Roshi takes on a resurrected Raditz who achieved Ultra Instinct by watching Goku do it while he was in hell.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
So, it seems the NEP shows jiren quite easily overwhelming Unmastered UI goku. Gives me hopes that a mastered UI goku won’t just sweep jiren, and it would be a very even fight. I would appreciate that a lot
I am an absolute Vegeta fan. How one cannot be pleased with him in this saga, no, the entire Super series is beyond me. I guess if it is not Vegeta defeating Jiren with ease and having the same personality one appreciates - like Teen Gohan for all Gohan fans - Vegeta is garbage.
Not for me.
"Citation needed."
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"
Is Universe 7 really going to win because Freeza will show up after Jiren and Goku defeated each other/if the time runs out? I speculated that before but after this episode I got the feeling this is exactly what's going to happen.
Lord Beerus wrote:
What "boring speech" are you referring to?
You know, about fulfilling his promise, and beating Jiren with his own hands, those lines we've been hearing for 5 episodes now.
I don't really see why that's an issue. He's basically re-affirming a goal of his. That's something Vegeta does in nearly every arc he's prominent in.
You don't see how repeating the same plot point 5 times is an issue?
How would it feel if Goku gave the same "For all the Saiyans and Namekians you've killed, I'm going to beat you" speech every episode in the Namek arc?
Doctor. wrote:
Not to mention that in #110 he literally just shrugged UI off and matched him blow for blow (when he was apparently not even using his full power yet). Here, he can't believe Goku dodged him and when he gets punched, he almost spills his guts out.
Who cares at this point, Anime Jiren is the biggest pile of trash in the history of anime, the more he gets buried the better.
It'll be fun to watch Goku beat him up but utterly laughable you think he's the worst
Grimlock wrote:Is Universe 7 really going to win because Freeza will show up after Jiren and Goku defeated each other/if the time runs out? I speculated that before but after this episode I got the feeling this is exactly what's going to happen.
This was my "I guess that's gonna happen because it's hilarious" choice weeks ago.
"Citation needed."
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"
Doctor. wrote:
You know, about fulfilling his promise, and beating Jiren with his own hands, those lines we've been hearing for 5 episodes now.
I don't really see why that's an issue. He's basically re-affirming a goal of his. That's something Vegeta does in nearly every arc he's prominent in.
You don't see how repeating the same plot point 5 times is an issue?
How would it feel if Goku gave the same "For all the Saiyans and Namekians you've killed, I'm going to beat you" speech every episode in the Namek arc?
It's no worse than Vegeta saying he was going to become a SSJ countless times on Namek, constantly reminding everyone that he will defeat Cell, or his endless bitching about wanting to fight Goku in the Majin Boo arc.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
FortuneSSJ wrote:Doesn't matter who wins, people would still complain about power levels.
MR.Mark wrote:I can't wait for a future arc of Super where Roshi takes on a resurrected Raditz who achieved Ultra Instinct by watching Goku do it while he was in hell.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Lord Beerus wrote:
I don't really see why that's an issue. He's basically re-affirming a goal of his. That's something Vegeta does in nearly every arc he's prominent in.
You don't see how repeating the same plot point 5 times is an issue?
How would it feel if Goku gave the same "For all the Saiyans and Namekians you've killed, I'm going to beat you" speech every episode in the Namek arc?
It's no worse than Vegeta saying he was going to become a SSJ countless times on Namek, constantly reminding everyone that he will defeat Cell, or his endless bitching about wanting to fight Goku in the Majin Boo arc.
Yes, that was all annoying, but he didn't phrase his ambition in the same way every time. Not to mention they took course over the span of a large number of episodes.
The Beyond Super Saiyan Blue transformation felt so forced and honestly probably should have gone to Gohan so that he could have been with his father in the end. That would have had a much more emotional impact than Vegeta did in this episode. Hopefully Toyotaro doesn't screw this up in the Manga.
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