The execution is bad because he gave them a big story but didn't do much with it and no one would call him out on it.Totamo wrote:The execution is bad because he gave them something too large and let them do it themselves but the overall problem is that everyone doesn't question him even though he lets them decide everything that actual matters ?
Toriyama lets everyone do whatever they want, he does not care which is why he does the bare minimum.
Freeza was the strongest warrior in the universe and Goku defeated him using a legendary form. How can you honestly sit there and tell me that was different than him defeating the strongest warriors in the multiverse with a legendary technique ?
Freeza was the top of the food chain and Goku beat him so why should we explore the universe then ? So, yes , the universe was thrown away.
The problem with Modern dragon ball is Z and fans like you that refuse to admit that Z started a lot of this. The transformation taking over anything, Goku being an idiot for the sake of plot, the power creep and villains being generic assholes.
Z is not well renowned outside this fandom.
If ball was made and had the popularity of z and he made Z now, it would be scrutinized outside of the first 2 sagas and you know that.
Then why is he still the head writer ? if he cares so little then why not bring in someone who actually cares ? If someone didn't care about their job and it was having negative results on their work, wouldn't the logical thing to do is replace them with someone who does care and who can get good results ?
Freeza was one character and he wasn't completely out of Goku's league. What's going on now is that Goku somehow went from completely nothing to the destroyers (12 compared to 1) to completely leaving them in the dust with 0 build up. That's nowhere close to what happened with how he surpassed Freeza as we saw him gradually get stronger up to that point and even then Freeza still put up a very good fight. Him surpassing the destroyers now would be like Kid Goku from when we first met him in the woods surpassing Freeza.
Why make the same mistake again ?
A lot of people including myself have pointed out the mistakes Z made and the chances Super wasted in fixing them. The transformations could've been left behind had Toriyama stuck to his original plan to just focus on base and Ssj but instead we have even more forms than we did in Z. Goku's character also could've been fixed but instead he's worse than before. The power issues between characters could've been fixed by having everyone train with Whis. Black was a great villain but unlike the villains in the original, he was completely wasted.
The original manga as a whole shaped the industy as we know it so it being disliked by a minority is irrelevant.
There's no way to know how Z or DB as a whole would've been recieved had it released today as standards are always changing. The problem with Super is not only did it not take any of those new standards into account, it didn't even take what its original source material set into account. At the very bare minimum it should've lived up to the original. Saying those 2 arcs wouldn't do well today is like saying the first MGS or Final fantasy 7 wouldn't do well if they were released exactly as they were back then. That may (in those 2 cases is) true but it's not a fair comparison. The original manga including those 2 arcs at the time (1995) was on a completely different level from everything released then and before which is exactly how it and those 2 games became the mega hits they are today, they were ahead of their time.