"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun May 17, 2015 2:07 am

kei17 wrote:Toyotaro's manga adaptation, huh? He's certainly good as a doujin artist, but I've never thought he's good as a professional manga artist. He's only good at imitating Toriyama's style and that's it. He's not enough trained as a pro to take over Toriyama. I'm absolutely certain that his manga will suck.
He did an amazing job with the Resurrection F manga, this will probably be of the same quality.
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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I see Goku is in his "F" outfit, possible confirmation it is indeed set after "F"?
It's just Toriyama's F art.
No, it's Toryotaro's art.
I was already corrected and acknowledged this. I thought it was Toriyama because of the muscle size.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by kei17 » Sun May 17, 2015 2:25 am

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kei17 wrote:Toyotaro's manga adaptation, huh? He's certainly good as a doujin artist, but I've never thought he's good as a professional manga artist. He's only good at imitating Toriyama's style and that's it. He's not enough trained as a pro to take over Toriyama. I'm absolutely certain that his manga will suck.
He did an amazing job with the Resurrection F manga, this will probably be of the same quality.
The same quality? To me, that means it will suck hard. His manga adaptation was nothing but a bunch of Toriyama imitations framed in random panels that hardly form a manga.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun May 17, 2015 2:34 am

kei17 wrote:Toyotaro's manga adaptation, huh? He's certainly good as a doujin artist, but I've never thought he's good as a professional manga artist. He's only good at imitating Toriyama's style and that's it. He's not enough trained as a pro to take over Toriyama. I'm absolutely certain that his manga will suck.
Even if you feel like his artwork is not that great, at least you could have a good story to tell. Good story telling always comes first to me.
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Post by Low Tone G » Sun May 17, 2015 2:40 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:
kei17 wrote:Toyotaro's manga adaptation, huh? He's certainly good as a doujin artist, but I've never thought he's good as a professional manga artist. He's only good at imitating Toriyama's style and that's it. He's not enough trained as a pro to take over Toriyama. I'm absolutely certain that his manga will suck.
Even if you feel like his artwork is not that great, at least you could have a good story to tell. Good story telling always comes first to me.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Big Momma » Sun May 17, 2015 2:42 am

I'm with Kei on this. I don't think it will "suck", but Toyotaro is definitely a doujin artist. He also happens to be great at imitating Toriyama's style. I liked the FnF manga but, kind of going along with what Kei said, it was definitely a promotional thing that had a lot of Toriyama imitation in it. As far as an official (and possibly long running) series....I dunno, it's something I feel Toyotaro will have to grow into.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Tzigi » Sun May 17, 2015 2:45 am

kei17 wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:
kei17 wrote:Toyotaro's manga adaptation, huh? He's certainly good as a doujin artist, but I've never thought he's good as a professional manga artist. He's only good at imitating Toriyama's style and that's it. He's not enough trained as a pro to take over Toriyama. I'm absolutely certain that his manga will suck.
He did an amazing job with the Resurrection F manga, this will probably be of the same quality.
The same quality? To me, that means it will suck hard. His manga adaptation was nothing but a bunch of Toriyama imitations framed in random panels that hardly form a manga.
To me "the same quality" means wonderful and perfect. Toriyama's current style is for me beyond off-putting, it's like an untalented 5-year old trying to draw Dragon Ball while Toyotaro's style is precisely what you called it "a bunch of Toriyama imitations". And I freaking love it. The first thing a DB manga should have to be liked by me is precisely "the good old Toriyama" drawings. That's why I love such fanmangas as toyble's AF, Multiverse and Wrong time - they pull what I consider Toriyama's all-time best style off way better then he does now.
So here's hoping for a Toyotaro's manga adaptation.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by sangofe » Sun May 17, 2015 2:48 am

kei17 wrote:Toyotaro's manga adaptation, huh? He's certainly good as a doujin artist, but I've never thought he's good as a professional manga artist. He's only good at imitating Toriyama's style and that's it. He's not enough trained as a pro to take over Toriyama. I'm absolutely certain that his manga will suck.
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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I see Goku is in his "F" outfit, possible confirmation it is indeed set after "F"?
It's just Toriyama's F art.
No, it's Toryotaro's art.
Who would you rather draw Dragon Ball Super, then? And don't underestimate what Toyble could learn from Toriyama, especially if they work closely together!

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Sayo-chan » Sun May 17, 2015 2:59 am

sangofe wrote: Who would you rather draw Dragon Ball Super, then? And don't underestimate what Toyble could learn from Toriyama, especially if they work closely together!
Someone, y'know, professional? There's only so far you can get as an imitator.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Demon of Light » Sun May 17, 2015 5:24 am

Isn't the whole reason Toyotaro has a job is because he's good at imitating Toriyama's style and has good work ethic?

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Post by Cetra » Sun May 17, 2015 5:37 am

I don't know how someone can draw Toriyama-style without imitating it. Not imitating it would require someone to be Akira Toriyama.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun May 17, 2015 5:37 am

They could end up rotating the artists that work on the manga, just like Marvel and DC comics. It would be amazing if they had guest artists do chapters like Eiichiro Oda, and maybe Toriyama could draw the occasional chapter himself.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun May 17, 2015 5:42 am

Cetra wrote:I don't know how someone can draw Toriyama-style without imitating it. Not imitating it would require someone to be Akira Toriyama.
I think what they're referring to when they say Toyotaro is imitating is that sometimes he will copy an entire panel that Toriyama did, almost as though he traced it, and just change something like the clothing.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Piririn » Sun May 17, 2015 6:20 am

I'm hoping Super doesn't follow directly after RoF. I want it to break new ground; develop the younger generation and be completely free to let the story go anywhere. Setting it after RoF would box the show in. Unless the epilogue is completely discarded, the show would have to lead to that status quo. There'd be a subsequent limit to the story possibilities, and a lack of tension/drama because we'd know exactly how everything/everyone ends up.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun May 17, 2015 6:45 am

Piririn wrote:I'm hoping Super doesn't follow directly after RoF. I want it to break new ground; develop the younger generation and be completely free to let the story go anywhere. Setting it after RoF would box the show in. Unless the epilogue is completely discarded, the show would have to lead to that status quo. There'd be a subsequent limit to the story possibilities, and a lack of tension/drama because we'd know exactly how everything/everyone ends up.
They could do both. Judging from Masako Nozawa's comments, TOEI is planning/hoping for the series to go on for a long time. Toriyama could also start Super by saying something like "At the end of the last Dragon Ball manga, I showed you how things might have turned out if there had been 10 years of peace after the defeat of Majin Buu, but now allow me to tell you the story of what really happened..."

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by JamesOwnz » Sun May 17, 2015 7:17 am

THey could set the series after Z and have Beerus and Whis too.

I'm really hoping it takes after EoZ

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by garnetjester » Sun May 17, 2015 10:13 am

There was a time when it wasn't the Goku & Vegeta show, it was called Dragon Ball and it was super awesome :P I'm only half kidding because Goku is my second favorite character and while I like Vegeta, their same interactions over and over again are kind of stale for me by now. I haven't watched ROF yet, so maybe things have changed and I have no idea, but I'd welcome more of an ensemble cast and also think that the people who claim that DB was always about Goku and Vegeta are kind of ignoring half of the material pretty much.
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Post by ssjjanemba » Sun May 17, 2015 10:18 am

UpFromTheSkies wrote:They could end up rotating the artists that work on the manga, just like Marvel and DC comics. It would be amazing if they had guest artists do chapters like Eiichiro Oda, and maybe Toriyama could draw the occasional chapter himself.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by sbk » Sun May 17, 2015 10:27 am

garnetjester wrote:There was a time when it wasn't the Goku & Vegeta show, it was called Dragon Ball and it was super awesome :P I'm only half kidding because Goku is my second favorite character and while I like Vegeta, their same interactions over and over again are kind of stale for me by now. I haven't watched ROF yet, so maybe things have changed and I have no idea, but I'd welcome more of an ensemble cast and also think that the people who claim that DB was always about Goku and Vegeta are kind of ignoring half of the material pretty much.
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Post by garnetjester » Sun May 17, 2015 10:33 am

Namek was my favorite part of Z (in the manga because in the anime the filler was too much) because of the ensemble cast. DB has superb supporting characters so I want to see them around more.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by sangofe » Sun May 17, 2015 10:41 am

Sayo-chan wrote:
sangofe wrote: Who would you rather draw Dragon Ball Super, then? And don't underestimate what Toyble could learn from Toriyama, especially if they work closely together!
Someone, y'know, professional? There's only so far you can get as an imitator.
1) He's Professional since he's being paid for it.
2) Name someone, don't just say "someone". Frankly, if someone else drew it, it would be Dragon Ball in another style, because as far as I know, there's nobody who can do the Dragon Ball style better than Toyble.

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