"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Big Momma » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:10 am

UpFromTheSkies wrote:So who do you guys think these new characters are? Universe 6 villians? They can't be Freeza henchman because Goku and Vegeta don't have their FnF outfits on.
They're most likely nameless, unimportant henchmen. Judging by their armor, they do work for Freeza.
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Post by Blade » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:11 am

I'll be succinct, as it's first thing in the morning here and I was up at 1am to watch it live!

Overall thoughts:

+ I thought the vignette style sequence of little events and capers was, on the whole, fun to watch.
+ The interactions involving Buu and Roshi were unexpected and funny.
+ If the opening animation was anything to go by, it looks like we will see Super Saiyan God explored again.
+ Jaco in the opening animation hints at a larger role to come?

- Why on Earth did they use old animation to form a narrative link at the start? Whilst I like the idea of Super being used as a direct continuation of Z, using old animation was at best out of place, and at worst damn right lazy.
- I didn't really like any of the new music from Sumitomo.
- On the whole, the backgrounds seemed especially poor and under-detailed.
- When did Mr. Satan get so lean and skinny? It sort of reminds me of how poorly he was drawn in the crossover special.
- The texture used on the snake's back was really awful and ill-fitting.

/ I can't even criticise Yanami's performance, as it's just so downright sad. I'm happy he's there, but...
/ Why was Piccolo watching Gohan go for a walk with his 'difficult book?'
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by mikezilla2 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:18 am

Blade wrote:- Why on Earth did they use old animation to form a narrative link at the start? Whilst I like the idea of Super being used as a direct continuation of Z, using old animation was at best out of place, and at worst damn right lazy.
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blame KAI but shows like one peice have also done so.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Blade » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:21 am

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Blade wrote:- Why on Earth did they use old animation to form a narrative link at the start? Whilst I like the idea of Super being used as a direct continuation of Z, using old animation was at best out of place, and at worst damn right lazy.
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blame KAI but shows like one peice have also done so.
I'd argue that the difference is that One Piece is a a show that has been running continually since 1999. Sure, technology and style have since moved on greatly since then, but by showing old animation they're still referencing the same show. Moreover, Toei have gotten around the issue in recent years by creating 'Episode of [Insert Character or Place name here], to recap old events with new animation, which can then be used in future flashbacks.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:25 am

Chuquita wrote:Maybe:

1) Uni 6 really is a parallel universe and these guys are henchmen to whoever Uni 6's Freeza counterpart is? It's Kakarrotto. Just kidding. Or am I?
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2) We don't get the F outfits in Super's version of F's storyline?

I can't bring myself to say it's just a goof-up because I know the way Toei purposely lays out their Precure opening animation storyboards. I doubt this is in there just to have a few seconds of battle.
Yeah, I don't think they were made just for the opening either, I've never seen TOEI do that before. I'm hoping it has something to do with Jaco.

And did anyone notice the nod to the original Dragon Ball opening with the shot of the dragon balls flying through space, and sun flares? :D

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Big Momma » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:01 am

UpFromTheSkies wrote:[q
Yeah, I don't think they were made just for the opening either, I've never seen TOEI do that before. I'm hoping it has something to do with Jaco.
I can't speak for all Toei shows, but One Piece has nameless fodder in the OP themes all the time. In fact, it's a common practice in not just anime, but cartoons in general. I'm nearly 100% certain they're nameless fodder as well, hinting towards the Freeza arc (or possibly the new Universe). As to why they don't have their RF uniforms...they aren't featured in the series yet. And the opening usually tends to have the heroes in their most well-known uniforms.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by ArcaneSuperSaiyan » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:15 am

Does anyone know what was up with the scene where Roshi runs into Goku's house yelling something and ChiChi kicks him out? It kind of seemed like he was trying to warn them about something and ChiChi got mad that Goku would have to fight again.

So I'm wondering ...could Roshi sense Beerus...?

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:22 am

ArcaneSuperSaiyan wrote:Does anyone know what was up with the scene where Roshi runs into Goku's house yelling something and ChiChi kicks him out? It kind of seemed like he was trying to warn them about something and ChiChi got mad that Goku would have to fight again.

So I'm wondering ...could Roshi sense Beerus...?
He heard Goku just got a lot of money, and wanted some to buy adult DVDs.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by SaiyamanMS » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:23 am

ArcaneSuperSaiyan wrote:Does anyone know what was up with the scene where Roshi runs into Goku's house yelling something and ChiChi kicks him out? It kind of seemed like he was trying to warn them about something and ChiChi got mad that Goku would have to fight again.

So I'm wondering ...could Roshi sense Beerus...?
Nope, basic summary of his appearance is "Hey, Goku, is it true you're filthy rich now? Buy me some porno DVDs!" and Chi-chi's like "Why the hell should we let you buy those!?"

... Beaten to it, but whatever.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Jaetinh » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:26 am

The subbed version hasn't been released yet so I decided not to read the last couple of pages in this thread to avoid spoilers, but damn that opening. :clap:

Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Yamcha, Tien, Krillin and Chaozu all flying alongside Shenlong, fuck me that was great.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:28 am

SaiyamanMS wrote:... Beaten to it, but whatever.
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I hope we see Kamesennin make an appearance in every episode, even if it's just a short gag scene.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by ArcaneSuperSaiyan » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:31 am

UpFromTheSkies wrote:He heard Goku just got a lot of money, and wanted some to buy adult DVDs.
Thanks, that makes a LOT more sense.
SaiyamanMS wrote:... Beaten to it, but whatever.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Sora Saiyan » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:49 am

Wow! I really didn't think it would be as good as this! DB Super has gone above and beyond my expectations, it was perfect!
Anyway.. We'll probably be seeing a lot more of SSJGod. :) I also really liked how it got to put in a bit of the other characters too, and Gohans keeping his ultimate form! :D Also, Beerus is actually doing his job for a change. The music seems good, I actually really like it.
Overall I loved this episode, now roll on next week! :D

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by shinmaru » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:07 am

GokuRules987 wrote:Man I almost had a heart attack when i saw Goku struggling against that tree trunk in the beggining, but i guess he was thinking about something since he had no problem ripping it off with one hand and the roots.
Dont give screw attack any ideas on their next goku vs superman battle XD
Off Topic, but the screw attack scheisse is nonsense because Sup has 100 different writer's. Maybe tommorow someones decides to writes that Sup destroys a whole univers with his fart.

Back to topic, Super opening theme is so catchy that even In my sleep it was still playing in my head.
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And did anyone notice the nod to the original Dragon Ball opening with the shot of the dragon balls flying through space, and sun flares? :D
Yes I mentioned and posted about it before
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by MaGyunia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:54 am

What I liked most about the whole Beerus' scene of destroying a planet was the immediate aftermath, namely his attitude. It's really nothing new considering his character, which we've already been introduced to in BoG and Fukkatsu no F, but the fact that he cleans his teeth off of the food he just ate in the planet he just destroyed while looking so relaxed and even talking while he does it is just priceless.

About Muten Roshi, the whole leaks and information we've been getting in the last days and weeks almost on a daily basis didn't really lead anybody to anticipate such a random and hilarious entrance, but that's what you expect from completely new material. We had just been exposed to small, although perhaps the most important, bits of what was to come. I also loved the way Chi Chi reacted to his indecency, this time she didn't beat him up or hit him with a frying pan or anything. It's stuff like revitalizing and keeping alive some, most or indeed all of the most notable characters from the very early stages of DB and DBZ that we enjoy.

Like I said before, Super, and indeed the 2008 movie, Battle of Gods and Fukkatsu no F all need to be viewed and analyzed from a different standpoint while at the same time adding all of it to the DB and DBZ history from the 80's and 90's. You can't get rid of characters like Muten Roshi, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kaiou-sama, among many others, and you can't really downsize the part huge and extremely powerful characters like Piccolo disappear partially or altogether either, which were severe mistakes made at some points during the Majin Buu arc in DBZ and the entirety of GT.

Most of us would like to see extremely well-developed characters with fantastic backgrounds like Bardock, King Vegeta or Vegitto make an appearance, or even Raditz, but I really don't think any of that is going to happen. Apart from these first soft and smooth family episodes, the introduction of Beerus and Whis, the introduction of Goku and Vegeta as Super Saiya-jin God and the resurrection of Freeza, it's going to move on to entirely new stuff previously unexplored. The concept of gathering Dragonballs from distant places outside of Earth may lead us to automatically think about the Namek arc and especially the first stage of GT, but I'll bet you that by the time we get to the point of exploring the 6th Universe in Super the series will take on a more serious tone, with extremely powerful villains a lot of drama, much in the same way as it happened in any of the arcs of DBZ. Whether you're a long-time hardcore DBZ fan in your 30's like me or a younger fan, you obviously want and indeed need some dose of random humor, but eventually what we really want and need to watch is epic battles with extremely well-developed and interesting storylines, plots and characters, along with drama. DBZ was extremely serious as far as action, drama and blood and guts goes, it featured genocidal maniacal villains, demons, ultra-powerful cyborgs, psychopaths, epic drama, as opposed to the first all of DB, which was intended at first to just give you a lot of random humor and especially the concept of random adventure.

I'm not entirely happy with the fact they're obviously retconning both BoG and Fukkatsu no F, as I had already went through the process of integrating them as full-fledged stories (unlike the other movies) which were just as much a continuation to DBZ and the Majin Buu arc as the last episodes of Z, but at least they realized the potential of recently created characters like Beerus and Whis and decided to introduce them in the storyline, give them a significant role and make them a big part of the series, although in a different setting when compared to BoG. I also doubt we'll even hear about Tarble in Super, he might just lack the potential to be seen as an interesting character to introduce and/or develop, and obviously the 2008 movie will basically just be "erased" (as in, made non-canon).

The fact that Beerus is already awake 6 months after Kid Buu's defeat rather than 4 years later is pretty much the catalyst for the need to change the entire storyline and make BoG and Fukkatsu no F side-stories instead of part of the main timelime.

All in all, the entire process of revitalization of Dragonball with new material that we've been going through in the last years, with Kai, the 3 movies and now Super is being done in an almost perfect way: they picked up the story exactly where they should have, right after the Majin Buu arc, taking advantage of the 10 year gap between that and the Tenkaichi Budokai in the last episodes of DBZ, which means the stage or level of power we're dealing with in these first episodes of Super before the emergence of the Super Saiya-jin God or Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin God stage as far as each character goes is and will be done in the following manner: Goku's most powerful stage is Super Saiya-jin 3, Gohan is pretty much as strong as Goku in his Ultimate stage, Gotenks is capable of reaching Super Saiya-jin 3, Vegeta hasn't gone beyond Super Saiya-jin 2 and Majin Buu is slightly stronger than Vegeta or Goku in their respective Super Saiya-jin 2 stages. Now we'll get to see the exact procedure through which Goku and Vegeta will reach SSJG and SSJGSSJ.

I'll never be happy with the way DBZ ended, with the last Tenkaichi Budokai and the introduction of Uub, especially because it actually caused any exploitation of the 10 years between Kid Buu's defeat and that last tournament to inevitably lead to those last episodes and the appearance of Uub 10 years later, unless they decide to retcon that as well, which they obviously won't do, as it's part of the manga. But on the other hand it gives us 10 years to explore. I'm not even considering the events of GT, as I regard them as non-canon and "non-existent", or side-stories, much in the same way the 13 movies were (the only ones we could fit in the series' timeline would actually be movies 9, right after the Cell Games, and 13, right after Buu's defeat). And I won't even analyze or comment on GT's quality in terms of story or character development, all the mistakes have already been discussed and pretty much identified, they made it in a rush, got partially or totally rid of significant characters, Toriyama wasn't involved and all of it was thought of and done after 7 years of continuous struggling for new ideas for DBZ, by which time the potential for both new and quality stories was pretty much just depleted. GT basically took on the worst elements of Z which we already saw at some points in the Buu arc, and took on none of the elements that made all the arcs from DB and DBZ so powerful and great in all aspects, beginning in the Tenshinhan arc and up until the Cell arc, with the Piccolo Daimao, Piccolo Jr., Saiya-jin, Freeza, Jinzouningen and Cell arcs in the middle. I'm not saying I don't like Majin Buu's arc, there were definitely a few concepts and characters with a degree of quality on par with what we saw in the other sagas, like Dabura, Vegitto, Super Saiya-jin 3, the concept of fusion, the Kaioshin, Ultimate Gohan, Goten, Majin Vegeta, some of the fights throughout the arc, etc., but there were also some shortcomings when compared to, say, the Saiya-jin or Freeza arcs, which had a much more serious and dramatic tone, just to mention or identify two of them randomly.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:02 am

If they do indeed not time skip does anyone think they chose 6 months to preserve this 10 year gap for as-long as they can?

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Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:11 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:If they do indeed not time skip does anyone think they chose 6 months to preserve this 10 year gap for as-long as they can?
Maybe, although they didn't need to, they could have the series go on indefinitely without anyone aging and just never mention how much time has passed, a lot of series do that. Maybe the person who wrote the script goofed up? I guess it's not that important.

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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:If they do indeed not time skip does anyone think they chose 6 months to preserve this 10 year gap for as-long as they can?
Maybe, although they didn't need to, they could have the series go on indefinitely without anyone aging and just never mention how much time has passed, a lot of series do that. Maybe the person who wrote the script goofed up? I guess it's not that important.
Dragon Ball isn't really a series that can get away with that. If they end up needing to use Dragon Balls (and they always do), time has to pass for them to reactivate. This is a very basic plot point since the series debuted and just because it is aimed at kids doesn't mean they can connect the simple dots.
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UpFromTheSkies wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:If they do indeed not time skip does anyone think they chose 6 months to preserve this 10 year gap for as-long as they can?
Maybe, although they didn't need to, they could have the series go on indefinitely without anyone aging and just never mention how much time has passed, a lot of series do that. Maybe the person who wrote the script goofed up? I guess it's not that important.
Dragon Ball isn't really a series that can get away with that. If they end up needing to use Dragon Balls (and they always do), time has to pass for them to reactivate. This is a very basic plot point since the series debuted and just because it is aimed at kids doesn't mean they can connect the simple dots.
All they need to do is put the Dragon Balls in RoSaT for a day and then they are as good as new.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Flame Dragon » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:54 am

I really don't get why people think we need to stop characters aging.
It's not like everyone in GT was a crippled old man in a wheelchair.
Only Krillin was kinda old, and he barely fights nowadays so who cares.

Plus, it would be badass to see the new generation (Uub, Pan, Bra, Adult Goten and Trunks) with their mentors (Goku Vegeta and Gohan).

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