"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Neo Hartless]

Maybe the anime is leaving this out for an eventual History of Trunks 2...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Again, that might be true, but it doesn't change the fact that it's impossible for Trunks not to have influenced Black's past in any way, even if the influence is minor, so there's a paradox anyway unless another timeline was created, because Trunks has now become a part of Black's past. Whether or not he was a major factor in Zamasu's descent is irrelevant; Trunks is doing things in the main timeline that have already happened from Black's perspective. Of course, the more involved Trunks gets, and the more he contributes to Goku's meeting with Black (as we see in the anime), the more ironic the paradox becomes. But it's a paradox either way.

My only significant issue is the causal loop paradox; the chain of events with no logical origin point, because it should technically prevent the entire arc from happening in the first place. The anime seems to have already shot itself in the foot on that a long time ago, but the current material in the manga is clear and could maybe, possibly remain so. Other information at our disposal thus far (though it's anime only for now), mainly the Time Rings and the rules that have been discussed for them, has me speculating on how things could work out okay. I don't know if anything will come from it, or if we're destined to fall into a different paradox regardless. We'll just have to wait and find out.

But yeah, so long as we have a specific, non paradoxical point of origin, I'm pretty open to just seeing how everything else is handled for the time being.

[Hellspawn28]

If Zamasu use to be a North Kai in U10, I wonder if he look similar to King Kai at first or not? I wonder if Kai's change their appearance when they become a higher rank?

[DainIronfoot]

Black: “Kukuku…Wonderful. The most troublesome one of all…Universe 7’s God of Destruction…How fortunate that there’s a world without him…”

This actually confirms that Beerus is indeed the strongest among all Hakaishins?

I doubt it. We know that Beerus stated that there were others more stronger and violent than himself. I tookwhat black said as "most annoying to deal with" rather than the strongest.

[Sandubadear]

If Zamasu use to be a North Kai in U10, I wonder if he look similar to King Kai at first or not? I wonder if Kai's change their appearance when they become a higher rank?

Maybe they just gain a nose, new clothes, fake earrings, and stop wearing sunglasses, because technically South Kaio is pretty tall, you could just give him a nose and new clothes that you could mistake him for a Kaioshin.

[Alruneia]

Black: “Kukuku…Wonderful. The most troublesome one of all…Universe 7’s God of Destruction…How fortunate that there’s a world without him…”

This actually confirms that Beerus is indeed the strongest among all Hakaishins?

I doubt it. We know that Beerus stated that there were others more stronger and violent than himself. I tookwhat black said as "most annoying to deal with" rather than the strongest.

What Black means is most likely how Beerus has been so suspicious about Zamasu in the present (see the anime and the upcoming episode titles), conducting several trips to Universe 10 and such. In the future, Black believes he doesn't have to try to avoid an investigation by Beerus. If it confirms anything, it's that Black is from the main timeline.

[alakazam^]

I can't see how someone killing the upper gods won't cause anyone to take action. In one universe like with Majin Buu, sure. All 12 universes and it's done by the same guy and no one cares? I'm not buying it.

We don't know if someone isn't caring, we just know that he isn't being dealt with. Involving Zen'ou might be worse than solving that issue. The Universes don't collapse just because the Gods were killed so there's time to find new ones and have them deal with Black.

[DainIronfoot]

This actually confirms that Beerus is indeed the strongest among all Hakaishins?

I doubt it. We know that Beerus stated that there were others more stronger and violent than himself. I tookwhat black said as "most annoying to deal with" rather than the strongest.

What Black means is most likely how Beerus has been so suspicious about Zamasu in the present (see the anime and the upcoming episode titles), conducting several trips to Universe 10 and such. In the future, Black believes he doesn't have to try to avoid an investigation by Beerus. If it confirms anything, it's that Black is from the main timeline.

Indeed I agree. That's why I said that my take on what he meant was Beerus was the most annoying, for the reasons you mentioned, not that he's the strongest (which we know he isn't)

[Friezacooler]

Seeing people on other forums complain that Super manga is like fan fiction now...

Geez people love to sling that and "non-canon" for anything they don't like

So far the anime ep 57 and 58 are deliberate fan fictions, let's see how the manga handles those episodes. hopefully it will it will respect the powerscaling and remove the Looney tunes escape of jayirobi

[Friezacooler]

Seeing people on other forums complain that Super manga is like fan fiction now...

Geez people love to sling that and "non-canon" for anything they don't like

So far the anime ep 57 and 58 are deliberate fan fictions, let's see how the manga handles those episodes. hopefully it will it will respect powerscaling, and remove the Looney tunes escape of jayirobi

[Pannaliciour]

Does Black (manga) show increase in power and joy when he get hit?

[HeroR]

I can't see how someone killing the upper gods won't cause anyone to take action. In one universe like with Majin Buu, sure. All 12 universes and it's done by the same guy and no one cares? I'm not buying it.

We don't know if someone isn't caring, we just know that he isn't being dealt with. Involving Zen'ou might be worse than solving that issue. The Universes don't collapse just because the Gods were killed so there's time to find new ones and have them deal with Black.

Not just Zen-O, but all the god attendance. And again, someone is killing gods in all universe. This should count as some kind of emergency and unless Black can kill someone like Whis and Vados, there is really no excuse for inaction. Plus, what kind of sense does it make to replace the gods before you kill then thing that killed the other gods? Also, Zen-O came to check on Beerus and Champa for not doing their jobs because they were holding tournament. Yet, taking out the thing killing gods is beneath his time now.

[LittleGreen]

I do really like the Kaioshin outfit on Trunks.
Made a little edit. May need some polish, but good enough i guess.

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That chapter was really good, i enjoyed the Kaioshin Training and fight against Babidi and Dabura.


About the Zenô thing.
I think is not informed about everything. I mean 12 Universes are a huuuge space. But all 12 Kaioshins are dead, so he had to hear about it. Let´s wait, maybe there is coming more about it, i´m pretty sure.

Could I use that as an avatar?

I'm so happy to see Trunks get the Z Sword, hopefully a DLC costume for XV2!

Of course you can. ^^
I´m also really hyped for that. Would be so awesome, if that is going to be a costume.

[Pannaliciour]

Zamasu: “I really admire you two. I heard how you handled Majin Boo a few years ago.”
Kaioshin: “No, we didn’t do it alone. And besides, actions like that are supposed to be a God of Destruction’s role.”
Kibito: “But our universe’s God of Destruction is always sleeping, so…”

Lol since when is a GoD role to kill somebody thats a threat for earth. In that case Frieza and Cell should be died by the hand of Beerus.

[ekrolo2]

Zamasu: “I really admire you two. I heard how you handled Majin Boo a few years ago.”
Kaioshin: “No, we didn’t do it alone. And besides, actions like that are supposed to be a God of Destruction’s role.”
Kibito: “But our universe’s God of Destruction is always sleeping, so…”

Lol since when is a GoD role to kill somebody thats a threat for earth. In that case Frieza and Cell should be died by the hand of Beerus.

Boo isn't just a threat to Earth, he can destroy all life on every planet and he'd do it with complete abandon. Freeza isn't as grave of a threat since he's just a conqueror and Cell died mere days after showing up and well before the universe at large could know about him.

[TheMikado]

Zamasu: “I really admire you two. I heard how you handled Majin Boo a few years ago.”
Kaioshin: “No, we didn’t do it alone. And besides, actions like that are supposed to be a God of Destruction’s role.”
Kibito: “But our universe’s God of Destruction is always sleeping, so…”

Lol since when is a GoD role to kill somebody thats a threat for earth. In that case Frieza and Cell should be died by the hand of Beerus.

Buu was a universal threat for millions of years. He absorbed Kaioshin. Frieza was Beerus' Henchman and Cell was Earths problem.

[Mazingerdestro]

Zamasu: “I really admire you two. I heard how you handled Majin Boo a few years ago.”
Kaioshin: “No, we didn’t do it alone. And besides, actions like that are supposed to be a God of Destruction’s role.”
Kibito: “But our universe’s God of Destruction is always sleeping, so…”

Lol since when is a GoD role to kill somebody thats a threat for earth. In that case Frieza and Cell should be died by the hand of Beerus.

Buu was a universal threat for millions of years. He absorbed Kaioshin. Frieza was Beerus' Henchman and Cell was Earths problem.

I have to agree with you.
Since we learn that in general Gods don't get involved with humans, the idea of a Kaioshin killing a powerful opponent must have triggered the justice senses in Zamasu. "Wow a Kaioshin went and killed this monster he has the power to control these puny creatures" or something like that. Is not like Zamasu is randomly killing. Heck I doubt that Zamasu wants to kill Gods. He only wants a utopia for Gods because he considers humans low class beings. It's pretty bad to be an elite sometimes. Guys like King Kaio have a sense of humor and enjoy simple stuff in life because in general he is a master that knows a powerful move. On the other hand Zamasu might have a talent for martial arts basically allowing him to surpass other Kaios and Kaioshins in strength. He considers himself above the average in a society that Gods live. He is like a super God with potential to grow stronger

[Friezacooler]

How the Z sword survives, katchin and clashes with Daburu but breaks after falling to the floor? are this Super writers from the manga and anime for real?

[dbgtFO]

How the Z sword survives, katchin and clashes with Daburu but breaks after falling to the floor? are this Super writers from the manga and anime for real?

It's not shown to withstand Katchin. Kibito interrupted the training, before they could use it and unwittingly free Elder Kaioshin like in the original story.

[ekrolo2]

How the Z sword survives, katchin and clashes with Daburu but breaks after falling to the floor? are this Super writers from the manga and anime for real?

It's not shown to withstand Katchin. Kibito interrupted the training, before they could use it and unwittingly free Elder Kaioshin like in the original story.

Amazing the things you can pick up on when you actually pay attention. Seriously, half of the shit I've heard about the Z-sword here and on Twitter comes from people skimming the pages. Especially how Dabura incinerates it after he turns it to stone.