"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Post by TheMikado » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:32 pm

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Lord Beerus wrote:- The time/bootstrap paradox is still a thing
Wait, how? I thought the manga fixed this. Black's creation is independent on whether or not Trunks comes back in time and it's because Trunks comes back in time that Zamasu is actually gonna die and Black won't be created in "our" timeline.
It's not so far, he's wrong and making up things.

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Post by TheMikado » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:33 pm

phattangent wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:The time/bootstrap paradox is still a thing
I'm still trying to wrap my head around why this plot point matters? Doesn't the 時の指輪 / Toki no Yubiwa / Time Ring resolve this paradox?
No because in every scenario Trunks would need to come from the future in order to start the loop. It would require all the events to happen exactly the same except there is one time that Beerus doesn't destroy Zamasu for reasons.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Post by phattangent » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:39 pm

TheMikado wrote:
phattangent wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:The time/bootstrap paradox is still a thing
I'm still trying to wrap my head around why this plot point matters? Doesn't the 時の指輪 / Toki no Yubiwa / Time Ring resolve this paradox?
No because in every scenario Trunks would need to come from the future in order to start the loop. It would require all the events to happen exactly the same except there is one time that Beerus doesn't destroy Zamasu for reasons.
Doesn't that already make sense though, even if we don't know the reasons?
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Post by TheMikado » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:43 pm

phattangent wrote:
TheMikado wrote:
phattangent wrote: I'm still trying to wrap my head around why this plot point matters? Doesn't the 時の指輪 / Toki no Yubiwa / Time Ring resolve this paradox?
No because in every scenario Trunks would need to come from the future in order to start the loop. It would require all the events to happen exactly the same except there is one time that Beerus doesn't destroy Zamasu for reasons.
Doesn't that already make sense though, even if we don't know the reasons?
No because if in every loop Beerus knows that Zamasu would kill Gozawa, kill Kaioshin, kill Beerus, and be come Black, why would Beerus in any version of the loop EVER allow all that to happen. That's a pretty significant consequence to just deciding Zamasu to live so people would obviously want to know what was different that one time to allow Black to be created in the first place.

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Post by Draconic » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:45 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:- The time/bootstrap paradox is still a thing
Wait, how? I thought the manga fixed this. Black's creation is independent on whether or not Trunks comes back in time and it's because Trunks comes back in time that Zamasu is actually gonna die and Black won't be created in "our" timeline.
Beerus kills Zamasu because Trunks comes back in time because Black is attacking his timeline. The events of Black's creation already transpired, for a Black to exist in the first place, so Beerus serves to split the timeline like in the anime. Black's origin is no longer a paradox, but his mere existence is one, caused by the Time Ring.
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Post by Basako » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:47 pm

HeroR wrote:Bulma went with them.
Ok, that's why I prefer to see the manga page by page instead of watching it in a video in Youtube, but that was the best complete version I found. But thanks. Well, I was fine with her not going, but if she has, not a big deal either.
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Post by Doctor. » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:48 pm

Draconic wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:- The time/bootstrap paradox is still a thing
Wait, how? I thought the manga fixed this. Black's creation is independent on whether or not Trunks comes back in time and it's because Trunks comes back in time that Zamasu is actually gonna die and Black won't be created in "our" timeline.
Beerus kills Zamasu because Trunks comes back in time because Black is attacking his timeline. The events of Black's creation already transpired, for a Black to exist in the first place, so Beerus serves to split the timeline like in the anime. Black's origin is no longer a paradox, but his mere existence is one, caused by the Time Ring.
How is his existence a paradox when the timelines have already been split?

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Post by Geekdom101 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:49 pm

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HeroR wrote:Bulma went with them.
Ok, that's why I prefer to see the manga page by page instead of watching it in a video in Youtube, but that was the best complete version I found. But thanks. Well, I was fine with her not going, but if she has, not a big deal either.
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Post by phattangent » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:51 pm

TheMikado wrote:
phattangent wrote:Doesn't that already make sense though, even if we don't know the reasons?
No because if in every loop Beerus knows that Zamasu would kill Gozawa, kill Kaioshin, kill Beerus, and be come Black, why would Beerus in any version of the loop EVER allow all that to happen. That's a pretty significant consequence to just deciding Zamasu to live so people would obviously want to know what was different that one time to allow Black to be created in the first place.
I see. That makes sense.
Draconic wrote:Beerus kills Zamasu because Trunks comes back in time because Black is attacking his timeline. The events of Black's creation already transpired, for a Black to exist in the first place, so Beerus serves to split the timeline like in the anime. Black's origin is no longer a paradox, but his mere existence is one, caused by the Time Ring.
That makes even more sense.

I'm liking the manga's interpretation of this more and more.
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Post by Draconic » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:52 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Draconic wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
Wait, how? I thought the manga fixed this. Black's creation is independent on whether or not Trunks comes back in time and it's because Trunks comes back in time that Zamasu is actually gonna die and Black won't be created in "our" timeline.
Beerus kills Zamasu because Trunks comes back in time because Black is attacking his timeline. The events of Black's creation already transpired, for a Black to exist in the first place, so Beerus serves to split the timeline like in the anime. Black's origin is no longer a paradox, but his mere existence is one, caused by the Time Ring.
How is his existence a paradox when the timelines have already been split?
Because Beerus kill Zamasu, so Zamasu won't become Black. But Black already exists.
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Post by dbgtFO » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:54 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Draconic wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
Wait, how? I thought the manga fixed this. Black's creation is independent on whether or not Trunks comes back in time and it's because Trunks comes back in time that Zamasu is actually gonna die and Black won't be created in "our" timeline.
Beerus kills Zamasu because Trunks comes back in time because Black is attacking his timeline. The events of Black's creation already transpired, for a Black to exist in the first place, so Beerus serves to split the timeline like in the anime. Black's origin is no longer a paradox, but his mere existence is one, caused by the Time Ring.
How is his existence a paradox when the timelines have already been split?
Yeah, don't really get why people say it's a paradox in the manga as well.
So far in the manga it can easily work that since Trunks travelled back in time to a point before Black's creation(unknown to Trunks of course), he unwittingly ends up creating a new timeline(also creating the newest Time Ring in the process), where Zamasu will eventually die.

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Post by Basako » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:05 pm

Geekdom101 wrote:
Basako wrote:
HeroR wrote:Bulma went with them.
Ok, that's why I prefer to see the manga page by page instead of watching it in a video in Youtube, but that was the best complete version I found. But thanks. Well, I was fine with her not going, but if she has, not a big deal either.
If youre referring to my video, I try not to put the entire Manga in my review because well, its a review, and I try to be as fair use as possible. Sorry I didn't mention Bulma went with them!
Wow, you are here, I didn't expect that! Yeah, it was your video the one I saw. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what you do, in fact, it is the most complete version of the manga I have found for now, but I like to see the manga not in video format anyway. But I get it's a review, it's totally fine!
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Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:12 pm

Listening to all of these timeline debates really makes me wish Trunks just up and fucked off permanently from this franchise. We really didn't need him to convoluted this premise.
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Post by Herms » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:14 pm

Alright, here's my translation. This time around I left the honorifics in:
[spoiler]DBS Ch.18: Goku Black’s True Identity

Page 19

Horizontal text on the left-hand side: “He is the Great Priest. Servant of the Omni-King,
in all the universes there is none else like him.”
1
Kaioshin: “Goku-san, give a proper greeting! Don’t just say ‘hey’!”
2
Goku: “Uh…Pleased to meet you…”
Whis: “We came as fast as we could, so please excuse him for not being more formally dressed.”
3
Great Priest: “Think nothing of it. I imagine this is as formal as you ever dress anyway, is it not?”

Page 20
1
Goku: “Yep!”
2
Kaioshin: “*Glare*”
Goku: “I mean…That is correct, sir.”
3
Goku: “You sure are sharp!”
Kaioshin: “Goku-san!!!”
Great Priest: “Please follow me. The Omni-King is waiting.”
5
Goku: “He may not look it, but that guy seems pretty strong to me.”
6
Whis: “Very perceptive. So far as I know, the Great Priest is the strongest person in this world.”
7
Goku: “R-Really?!”
Whis: “*Shhhh!*
8
Whis: “Still, you must not ask to fight him, or anything rude like that.”
Goku: “B-But now I’m curious…”

Page 21
1
Whis: “Let me just tell you that even I cannot hold a candle to him.”
Goku: “Heh…! He’s that strong?!”
2
Goku: “Man, coming here was totally worth it…!”
3
Goku: “But then, shouldn’t we tell him about Black? He could beat him for us.”
4
Whis: “Unfortunately we angels always remain neutral. We never fight.”
5
Goku: “Huh? Angels? Are you an angel, Whis-san?”
6
Kaioshin: “*Shhh!*”
Goku: S-Sorry.”
7
Goku: “So you won’t lend a hand, even if we’re in a jam?”
Whis: “Indeed not. Outside of training, have you ever once seen me fight?”
8
Goku: “Now that you mention it…”
Whis: “All else aside, if the Great Priest were to inform the Omni-King of this problem, then the entire universe responsible would be wiped out.”
9
Goku: “Y-Yikes! Got it. My lips are sealed!”

Page 22
1
Omni-King: “Welcome! Thanks for coming!”
2
Goku: “Heya! Uh, I mean…Salutations.”
3
OK: “So, like, y’know…I wanna friend!”
4
Goku: “Huh?”
5
OK: “I like you a lot! Wanna be my friend?”
6
Goku: “…and?”
OK: “What do you mean, ‘and’?”

Page 23
1
Goku: “Once we’re friends…then what?”
6
OK: “We’ll play!”
7
Goku: “Huh? OK, but…Is that really all you called me over here for?”
8
OK: “Is that bad?”
Kaioshin: “N-No, not at all! Don’t be absurd!”
9
Kaioshin: “N-Nothing in the world would make Goku happier than to be your friend, Omni-King.”

Page 24
1
OK: “Hush now.”
2
Kaioshin: “Y-Y-Yes lord!!!”
3
OK: “What should I call you, Goku-kun?”
4
Goku: “Just ‘Goku’ is fine.”
5
OK: “Goku? Then you can use a pet name for me too. What should it be?”
6
Goku: “Huh…? Gee, I dunno. How about ‘Omni-chan’?”

Page 25
3
OK: “Omni-chan? Yeah, that’s swell!”
4
Goku: “So Omni-chan, you didn’t call me over to talk about the universal tournament?”
OK: “Maybe later, but let’s play first.”
5
Goku: “Sorry! I’m busy right now! But once I’m free I’ll come play with you, so just wait a bit, OK?”
6
Guard A: “W-Why you!”
Guard b: “Watch your mouth!!!”
7
OK: “Silence. Or I’ll annihilate you.”

Page 26
1
Guards: “O-Our sincerest apologies…!!”
2
OK: “So will you come play once that other stuff’s finished?”
Goku: “Yeah, and I’ll bring over someone who’ll probably be an even better friend for you.”
OK: “Really?!”
Goku: “Yeah, just leave it to me.”
4
OK: “Hehehe”
5
Goku: “Hihi”
6
Goku: “This place sure does look boring. You can come to Earth to play sometime.”
OK: “Yippy!”
7
OK: “Then have this.”
8
Goku: “What is it?”

Page 27
1
OK: “Push that button, and I’ll come right away.”
Goku: “Wow, thanks!”
2
Goku: “Can I head back then?”
OK: “You’ll keep your promise?”
Goku: “Yeah! Well, I’m off.”
5
Great Priest: “Son Goku-san…An interesting friend.
Whis: “Indeed.”
6
Great Priest: “Even I look forward to meeting him again.”
7
Great Priest: “Take care.”
Whis: “Excuse us.”
Goku: “Bye”

Page 28
5
Gowasu: “Hmm…I suppose I’ll take a break.”
6
Gowasu: “Zamasu, bring me some tea.”
8
Gowasu: “Now then…I wonder where he could have gone off to…”

Page 29
1
Narration: “Zuno’s home planet.”
2
Zuno: “…And when you chant this to the Dragon Balls, the dragon of the gods shall appear and grant any single wish. Once that wish is granted, they will scatter once more throughout the two universes, awaiting the time when someone with an unfulfilled wish shall gather them again.”
3
Zamasu: “So I just have to gather all seven?”
4
Zuno: “No more questions.”
5
Zamasu: “I am a Kaio. If I felt like it, I could wipe you out in an instant.”

Page 30
2
Zamasu: “I’ll ask again. I just need to gather all seven?”
3
Zuno: “Y-yes…Seven. However, they won’t work right now; their light has gone out…”
Zamasu: “How long until they can be used again?”
4
Zuno: “The lifespan of a cockroach.”
5
Zamasu: “Meaning what, exactly?”
Zuno: “R-Roughly one year.”
6
Zamasu: “…An entire year, huh?”
7
Zamasu: “Then for the time being, you can at least tell me the locations of all seven.”
8
Zuno: “…Huh?”

Page 31
1
Beerus: *sounds of irritation*”
2
Beerus: “What are they doing…What’s taking them so long?...”
4
Whis: “Oh, Beerus-sama! I appreciate you coming out all this way to meet us.”
Beerus: “So…No mishaps, then?”
5
Goku: “Omni-chan’s a great guy! Just like I thought!”
6
Beerus: “Omni-chan?!”

Page 32
1
Beerus: “I can’t believe you gave him a nickname…”
Whis: “By the way, Goku-san, you promised the Omni-King that you would bring a friend for him. Who did you have in mind?”
2
Goku: “Nobody in particular. You know anyone who’d be good?”
3
Whis: “…Unbelievable. You just said that on the spur of the moment?”
Goku: “Well, it seemed like the only way he’d let me leave.”
4
Kaioshin: “Y-You’ve got to be kidding…! How could you lie to the Omni-King?!! If he finds out, it’ll be the end of the world…!”
5
Goku: “I-I know. I’ll just go find someone.”
6
Goku: “Hey Beerus-sama, you’ve got lots of free time, right?”
Beerus: “No way in hell!”

Page 33
1
Goku: “…Whatever. Guess I’ll just think of someone later.”
Beerus: “You’ve really put your foot in your mouth this time…!”
2
Whis: “At any rate, let’s put this affair behind us for now.”
3
Whis: “So then, Beerus-sama, will you help us investigate Goku Black’s identity?”
4
Beerus: “Yeah, let’s go ask that evil-looking Kibito guy.”
5
Kaioshin: “Um…Goku-san? Who’s this ‘Goku Black’ everyone’s been talking about?”
6
Goku: “Well…Things are actually pretty hectic right now.”
7
Goku: “Trunks came from the future, and…”
Bulma: “Aha, there you are!”
8
Whis: “Oh, it’s Bulma-san.
Beerus: “What’s up?”

Page 34
1
Goku: “…And that’s the story.”
Kaioshin: “Wha?! That’s happening in the future?!!”
2
Kaioshin: “Then I’ve been killed…”
Goku: “In Trunks’ future, yeah. Looks like it.”
3
Goku: “Now Beerus-sama is looking for the culprit, to make sure all that doesn’t happen over in this world too.”
4
Kaioshin: “Huh? So then when Beerus-sama was asking earlier about any gods with dangerous ideas…!”
5
Goku: “Yeah, you said Kibito was suspicious.”
6
Kaioshin: “B-But I didn’t mean it like that…”
Bulma: “Where in the world did you guys go?”
7
Bulma: “We’ve got guests!”
8
Beerus: “Guests?”

Page 35
1
Bulma: “Hey, come over here!”
4
Kibito: “Kaioshin-sama! Something’s come up!”
5
Beerus: “Why you…!! How dare you show your face here!”
6
Beerus: “You’ve got some nerve! I’ll wipe you out!”
Kaioshin: “B-Beerus-sama, you’re making a big mistake!”
7
Kaioshin: “K-Kibito, what’s the matter?”
8
Kibito: “W-Well…”

Page 36
1
Kibito: “A little while ago, a sage named ‘Zuno’ contacted the Kaioshin Realm…”
2
Bulma: “Huh? Zuno-sama?”
3
Kibito: “It seems that Zamasu from Universe 10 came to ask about the Super Dragon Balls…”
4
Beerus: “Zamasu? Who’s he?”
5
Kaioshin: “A Kaio from Universe 10. He’s supposed to be serving as apprentice to the Kaioshin there.”
6
Whis: “A Kaio from another universe? Most peculiar.”
7
Beerus: “How would he know about the Super Dragon Balls?”
Whis: “He might’ve seen footage of the tournament.”
8
Beerus: “Now that you mention it, they did upload it to GodTube…”

Page 37
1
Kaioshin: “Go on, Kibito.”
2
Kibito: “Well, it seems that for some reason Zamasu was asking about Son Goku-san…”
3
Goku: “But I’ve never met the guy!”
4
Kibito: “It also seems he asked if it was possible to use those Dragon Balls…to switch the bodies of a god and mortal…”
5
Everyone: “What?!!!”

Page 38
1
Kibito: “I suppose we should investigate him further?”
Trunks: “I don’t believe it…He switched bodies with Goku-san…and became Black…!?”
2
Whis: “Then we can safely assume that Goku Black is actually this Kaio, ‘Zamasu’.”
Beerus: “Who said it was Kibito?! You were way off!”
3
Kibito: “Um…Did you think I was guilty of something?”
Kaioshin: “No no! Not at all!”
4
Goku: “Wow, so this is all some Kaio’s fault…?! And he switches bodies with me?”
5
Vegeta: “He used the Dragon Balls, huh? That clears everything up.”
6
Bulma: “Wait, you’re all talking about this world, right? But then the Goku Black over in Trunks’ world would have to be someone else!”
Trunks: “Yeah, the Goku-san in my world died a long time ago.”
7
Beerus: “No, Kaioshins can use the ‘Time Rings’ to go to parallel worlds.”

Page 39
1
Goku: “Really?! Is that true, Kaioshin-sama?”
Kaioshin: “Yes, we Kaioshins are able to use them.”
2
Kaioshin: “…But I thought Zamasu wasn’t a Kaioshin yet? He shouldn’t be able to use the Time Rings.”
3
Whis: “Trunks-san.”
Trunks: “Yes.”
4
Whis: “Does Goku Black wear these Potara on his ears, like Kaioshin here?”
5
Trunks: “…! He does! But only on one ear.”
6
Kaioshin: “Only one ear?”
Goku: “That’s a pretty big clue. You shoulda told us sooner!”
7
Trunk: “I-I’m sorry…I never imagined that Black might be a Kaioshin…”
8
Whis: “Was his Potara this color? Only Kaioshins can wear this color.”

Page 40
1
Trunks: “Huh? I-I’m not sure that I remem…”
4
Black: “I’ll spare your life for today, Trunks.”
5
Black: “Grow as strong as you can. But the next time we meet will be the last.”
6
Black: “I’ll kill you.”

Page 41
1
Black: “Hahaha!!!”
3
Trunks: “T-That’s it! That’s the color!”
4
Whis: “As I suspected…It seems that Universe 10’s Kaioshin’s life is in jeopardy.”
Goku: “Huh? What do you mean?”
5
Bulma: “In other words, maybe this ‘Zamasu’ guy killed his Kaioshin master, stole his earrings and became a Kaioshin himself, then used those ‘Time Ring’ things to travel to adult Trunks’ world.”
6
Goku: “Why bother going to Trunks’ future?”
7
Whis: “Quite possibly it’s because in our world you warriors on Earth and Beerus-sama are still alive. That other world would be easier to take over.”
Beerus: “It’s all your fault for dying!”
8
Whis: “But that doesn’t mean our world is necessarily safe either. He may hide out and wait for the chance to kill the gods here…”
Beerus: “Hmph!”

Page 42
1
Beerus: “Whis! Let’s go to Universe 10’s Kaioshin Realm!! We’d better destroy Zamasu now while we’ve got the chance…!”
Kaioshin: “Huh?”
2
Kaioshin: “B-But won’t that change the future and create another new world?...”
3
Beerus: “So what?! If we don’t do something, everyone will wind up dead!”
Kaioshin: “…! U-Understood.”
4
Goku: “OK, I’ll come too!”
5
Whis: “Zamasu is after your body, Goku-san. It would be dangerous for you to meet him now…”
Beerus: “Besides, this is a problem for us gods. You just wait here!”
6
Goku: “What?...”
Kaioshin: “Beerus-sama, let me take you over there!”
7
Beerus: “No, I’ve got another task in mind for you.”

Page 43
3
Vegeta: “Hmph…This rubs me the wrong way. If he was watching the tournament and wanted a strong body, then why’d he pick Kakarot over me?”
4
Bulma: “Must you compete over everything?!”
5
Vegeta: “Besides, it was that Monaka guy who won in the end, right?”
Goku: “Maybe he didn’t wanna become Monaka? Since his nipples are so big.”
8
Pilaf: “Madam! We’ve collected enough fuel for the time machine!”
9
Bulma: “Oh, thanks.”
Goku: “That means we can go, right?”

Page 44
1
Goku: “Trunks, Vegeta, let’s go!”
2
Bulma: “Huh? Aren’t you going to wait for Beerus-sama and the others to get back?”
Goku: “No matter who this guy really is, we still gotta beat him sooner or later. Might as well get it over with now!”
3
Vegeta: “You’re the same as ever. Alright, I’m ready when you are.”
4
Goku: “You OK too, Trunks?”
Trunks: “Yes!”
5
Trunks: “Goku-san, father, thank you for your help!”
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Bulma: “Geez, that’s Saiyans for you…”
7
Bulma: “Whether this works out or not, promise me you’ll come back, Trunks.”
8
Trunks: “Yes! I understand.”

Page 45
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Narration: “The Kaioshin Realm of Universe 10”
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Gowasu: “Oh, you are…”
3
Whis: “It’s been far too long since we last met, Gowasu-sama.”
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Gowasu: “Welcome, welcome, Beerus-sama, Whis-sama. I haven’t seen you two in ages.”
5
Whis: “You look well, Gowasu-sama.”
Gowasu: “Hahaha, I haven’t been called that name in a long time.”
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Gowasu: “I may be healthy, but I’m still getting up there in years. I’ve started to think it’s time I retired.”
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Beerus: “*cough*”
Whis: “Oh, is that so? We came today to meet that disciple of yours.”

Page 46
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Gowasu: “Disciple? You mean Zamasu?”
2
Beerus: “Is he here?”
3
Gowasu: “He seems to have gone out since this morning…”
4
Gowasu: “This is the first time he’s ever left without my permission. I’ve been worrying about him…”
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Beerus: “We’ll wait here. Until he comes back.”

Page 47
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Vegeta: “Kakarot, you’ve got the Senzu, right?”
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Goku: “Yep, right here!”
3
Bulma: “You guys had better be careful!”
Kid Trunks: “Hang in there, big bro!!”
4
Goku: “Well, we’re off!”
6
Mai: “Come back! No matter what!”

Page 48
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Goku: “Ugh…eugh…”
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Trunk: “What’s the matter?”
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Goku: “I looked outside and got all queasy…”
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Vegeta: “What are you, a little kid? Leave him, Trunks.”
8
Goku: “H-Hang on…”

Page 49
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Vegeta: “…So this is Earth in the future?...Damn it all…”
2
Goku: “Wow, this is awful!”
3
Trunks: “Kuh…”
7
Black: “………..This ki…”

Page 50
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Goku: “Over in that mountain…is that Black?”
2
Goku: “…! He’s started to move…Looks like he’s spotted us.”
3
Goku: “Better hide the time machine and get away from here.”
Trunks: “Got it!”
8:
Cat: “Meow!”
9
Trunks: “! You’re…”

Page 51
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Cat: “Meow”
3
Trunks: “H…Hold on…”
4
Vegeta: “What’s he doing?... We’re going to start fighting here…”
5
Trunks: “G-Goku-san!! Senzu…Bring the Senzu!”
7
Goku: “What’s wrong?”
8
Trunks: “Mai’s…Mai’s still alive!!”
Mai: “Ugh…”

Page 52
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Goku: “Whaah?! He’s sticking their lips together…!”
5
Vegeta: “Haven’t you ever…done that before?”
6
Goku: “Hm? Done what?”
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Vegeta: “Haven’t you…ever kissed…?”
8
Goku: “Of course not!”
Vegeta: “….Aren’t you married?”
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Goku: “Huh? What’s that got to do with it?”
Vegeta: “N…Never mind…”

Page 53
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Trunks: “Mai!!!”
3
Mai: “Trunks!!!”
4
Trunks: “Thank God…!”
5
Mai: “What…What are you doing here? Didn’t you go to the past?”
6
Trunks: “I did. And thanks to my mother over there, I was able to come back.”
7
Mai: “So it worked after all.”

Page 54
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Mai: “…But then why’d you return?”
2
Goku: “He brought us to beat Black.”
Mai: “Wha?!!”
3
Mai: “B-Black?!”
Trunks: “Don’t worry, that’s the real Goku-san!”
4
Goku: “Heya!”
Vegete: “I thought she looked familiar. So, she’s the future version of that kid who hangs out around our house?”
5
Trunks: “This is my father. I brought them both from 17 years in the past.”
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Vegeta: “For the time being, you two hide here. We’ll fight somewhere else.”
7
Trunks: “Huh…? But I’ll fight too. Please let me!”
8
Vegeta: “We may have to rely on you in a pinch. But until then, protect the time machine and that girl.”
9
Vegeta: “If worse comes to worse, you two return to the past. Got that?”

Page 55
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Goku: “He says stuff like that now! Some progress, eh?”
Trunks: “Y-Yeah…”
3
Vegeta: “Alright Kakarot, let’s get this started.”
Goku: “Yeah!”
5
Trunks: “Father…”
Mai: “Can they pull this off?”
6
Trunks: “Yeah…probably.”
Mai: “Really? They must be strong.”
7
Trunks: “They sure are…but beyond that, they’ve got a strange power…”
8
Trunks: “That makes you feel like they’re the two who can protect the world.”
[This is a callback to how Bulma describes Goku to Trunks in “Trunks: the Story”/The History of Trunks, but now Trunks applies it to both Goku and Vegeta]

Page 56
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Black: “Those two big ki have moved…”
3
Black: “Who could they be?...”
5
Goku: “If we fight here, we won’t smash up the city any more than it already is.”
Vegeta: “Somehow I doubt it will go as smoothly as that.”

Page 57
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Goku: “He’s here.”
Vegeta: “We finally meet face-to-face.”
3
Black: “What are you two…doing here?”
4
Vegeta: “I see. He really does look just like you.”
Goku: “No kidding! Feels kinda weird…”
5
Vegeta: “Kakarot, let me go first! Beating someone who looks like you will be a thrill!”
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:27 pm

It's interesting that we know that Whis is a natural fighter. It can explain why he didn't stop Kid Buu from killing the other Kaioshin even though he probably wanted to in order to save Beerus.
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Post by Doctor. » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:29 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:It's interesting that we know that Whis is a natural fighter. It can explain why he didn't stop Kid Buu from killing the other Kaioshin even though he probably wanted to in order to save Beerus.
I mean, this isn't exactly new. Beerus also stated that he's supposed to be neutral in F (despite saving them in the end). It's something we could have assumed from the information given, but it's nice to get confirmation.

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Post by micah007 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:30 pm

I hope Whis being neutral doesn't mean we won't see a serious battle with him. If that is going to be the case at least let Beerus cut loose at some point.

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Post by ryou766 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:35 pm

I have no issues with this chapter and I seem to be one of the very few who likes how Black allowed Trunks to live just so he can continue to fight him again. Remember guys, he DID mention how it would be boring if no one were around to oppose him (guess this doesn't apply to Future Beerus since Black knows he'd be overwhelmed) but those are the result of the Saiyan cells from Goku's body.

Also, I love how close Toyotaro's Goku is to Toriyama's. Thank god Toyotaro didn't make it so he didn't forget the senzu beans in the bathroom like in the anime..

Black having a troubled face does bother me.. But it can also be interrupted as a confused expression similar to how he looked when he entered the past in the anime.
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Post by Grimlock » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:38 pm

We now have our confirmation that Daishinkan is an angel/part of Whis and Vados' race and is the strongest of the top five fighters of the Multiverse. So it seems my especulation is becoming real, as he is Dai (same as Dai Kaio and Dai Kaioshin), there must be four Shinkans. And he stands at the top of them.

Thanks, Toyotaro! :clap:
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Post by Legion » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:46 pm

It's interesting that we know that Whis is a natural fighter. It can explain why he didn't stop Kid Buu from killing the other Kaioshin even though he probably wanted to in order to save Beerus.
But he saved the earth and Gowasu. So he does something if it's really necessary.

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