How is that weird? They're two different, simultaneously existing, versions of the same thing. Comparisons are natural.Abra kadabra wrote:It's weird how the manga fans are incapable of praising the manga without shitting on the anime or directly comparing them. They can't defend the manga without directly comparing them either. It's really weird
But sure, I'll bite. Without directly comparing to the anime:
The Thing In-and-of-Itself:
- The way that the manga is able to be consumed coheres better with the way that the plot points are written, I think. In the original run, Toriyama would write a chapter without planning the entire arc out. He'd do it one step at a time. As such, the films really felt like very large chapters. He wrote one film, and called it good, without planning for the next one. Then he wrote the next film when the time came, not really planning for the later stuff, and called it good. Ideally, we'd have received more films, but small, easily consumable (in one sitting) manga arcs serves just the same purpose. The Champa arc is certainly short enough to read in the time it would take one to watch a film, and thus you can do it one sitting, like with a film. In this way, you can treat each "arc" like a "chapter", and the story then begins to flow in a way much more in the way Toriyama would write it.
- Toytaro's art is great, most of the time. I wouldn't put it nearly on the same level as Toriyama's art during his peak, but it's certainly a solid imitation of it. Makes it feel like an authentic continuation.
- Toriyama's extra involvement is just cool. He'll correct panels, and make sure that the gags are just right.
The Champa arc:
- It retells Battle of Gods, but does this so briskly that it can't really replace the film. Rather, it's an extended prologue to the Champa arc, chock full of scenes showing what he and Vados were doing throughout the film. It also shows how Champa's actions are causally connected to Freeza's eventual revival. It just overall makes the stories from the films and the new stuff more connected.
- The Champa arc proper begins with a flashback to a fight between Beerus and Champa, and it's awesome! You get a sense of scale there that I think DB has lacked since the fight with Freeza on Namek. They're zooming through space, destroying countless planets in their wake.
- That Super Saiyan Blue name gag was a great in-universe way to rectify the convoluted name, such that it also played into Goku and Vegeta's rivalry and attempts to one-up each other.
- The panel where Tights it talking to Bulma on the phone, in the background you see a calendar. The image is a selfie that Jaco managed to get with Beerus. Cute little payoff to a gag from the second film.
- I enjoyed seeing Super Saiyan Blue as a double edged sword, something that one should only use at the last moment.
The Future Trunks arc:
- Trunks uses his sword to fight in interesting ways.
- We see Trunks training under Kaioshin. It's really cool, because they're two of the most pragmatic characters in the series. During the original run's final two arcs, they were the doomsayers who came to warn Goku and co. of the coming threat(s). They both suffer incredible frustration when Goku and Vegeta repeatedly ignore their warnings, leading to things going very sour. Now we get to see them work together, and things largely work out!
- Trunks is the franchise's most notable sword user. The Z Sword is probably the most notable sword. Seeing him use it was cool. Seeing him use it in a sword fight against Dabura was also cool as fuck. We even see him go Super Saiyan 2 for the first time.
- A nice little touch: although the Kaioshin-Hakaishin link had yet to be said, we still see the Z-Sword get destroyed, which ties up the potential loose end of which Kaioshin's life Beerus might be/have been tied to.
- I had a pretty good laugh when Goku was a cheating prick, and used God against Trunks.
- When we go to Universe 10, we get to see that the universes being "snowglobes" is still a thing. Nice little touch.
- In general, a lot of the extended cast is given something to do. We see Kibito sparring with another Kaioshin's attendant, whereas previously we'd never actually seen him fight. Kaioshin himself gets to go through time and investigate Zamasu's actions. Kaioshin and Zamasu also show up in the future to save Trunks and Mai. Gowasu even makes an attempt at reasoning with Black.
- Another small little touch: we learn from Gowasu that the actual first time travel happened in Universe 12, which we've now recently found out had such a highly advanced average mortal level that its exempt from the tournament. That just...makes sense.
- Zamasu learns of Goku through GodTube. That's a logical consequence of the Champa arc.
- When Beerus kills Zamasu, it looks like he melts into sand. Which is cool, since Beerus' name and outfit always seemed kinda Egyptian to me. Sand...Egypt....eh? Eh? I thought it was neat, at least.
- Black needing to get near death powerups in order to better fuse with the cells of the body was cool.
- Zamasu using psychic abilities in his fight with Goku was cool. Makes the fighting not seem like a bunch of people just doing all of the same shit to each other.
- Vegeta using God and Blue together like that, in a way that appears to imply that God is much more quick and agile, makes the forms feel more distinct, and also gives Vegeta his own sort of fighting style for a bit. Zoom with God, smack with Blue. It's a creative juggling of forms.
- Merged Zamasu throwing Katchin blocks was a nice payoff for Toyotaro reminding us of them during the flashback.
- Trunks having healing abilities is both a payoff for his training with Kaioshin, and also once again keeps everyone from having largely identical skill-sets.
- Goku containing the Blue form was cool. It serves as an alternative approach to how Vegeta tried to get around it. Which, again, makes them feel more distinct in their approach to stamina management and combat.
I can start really comparing to the anime, if you want me to. But I'm already skeptical that you'll give what I've already written the time of day, given your constant, low effort flame bait for the last several pages.
You realize that the "God of Destruction" is a job, not a species/race, right? You remember that mortals can become Gods of Destruction, right? That means it's not an inherent ability. That means it can be learned. That means people not born as gods can learn it. You remember that Goku lived with the martial arts master and attendant of a God of Destruction, right? The amount reaching required to take issue with this would leave the original run of the series in complete fucking shambles, if applied there.fexus wrote:People need to understand that this hakai technique isn't just some random blast. This technique literally erase the person. No soul no nothing. It's not weird for a GoD to know this because destruction and all but a mortal. Even with god ki, that doesn't mean it should be possible. The kaioshin clearly can't. For example, this week episode in the anime shows that GoD can give the hakai energy. Meaning that the energy is somewhat different. Not just any old ki ball. The hakai energy ki ball.
Oh, Christ. What's the issue with this one? They're literally expanding on already existing lore (Kibito has healing abilities --> Kaioshin apprentices have healing abilities), to foreshadow a new ability for Trunks to set him apart from the other Saiyans.fexus wrote:Saying they can just learn god techniques is like saying Trunks can heal just because he learn with the kaioshin. That sounds stupid as hell.