supersaiyanZero wrote: JazzMazz wrote:
My point being that the majority of fights in Super are very one dimensional, boring, and involve almost zero chorepography. Notevery fight mind you, but too many to count.
But, how have you proven that point if your only using specific examples, and are also cutting out scenes within those fights that don't prove what your saying?
You need to stop being a contrarian. I am not here to prove you wrong, I am simply showing why in my eyes the anime can't hold a candle to the choreography in Toyo's manga. I am not omitting anything specifically but rather it's a very convenient compilation of exactly what I dislike about Super, posted by someone who is unrelated to me who sees what I'm seeing. In my eyes these garbage fights happen way too often for me to ever get excited about an episode of Super. And the kicker? That compilation is like 1/10th
of all the atatatatas in Super. The show simply got away with it one too many times and now its there go-to.
I don't see what is the problem with being a contrarian if I don't agree with the popular opinion and I have genuine reasons to back it up.
I'm not the largest fan of the choreography in Toyotaro's manga(up until this current arc and the late parts of the last arc), because the majority of it is shown from fairly dull and uncreative angles which fails to make the action on the page pop out a lot of the time. It doesn't matter how well choreographed or creative the action is, if its shown to the audience in a very cookie cutter kind of fashion.
I don't have a problem with the use of repeated frames, hell I don't even mind the fact that they're used in almost every fight. What I do have a problem with, is when they are poorly executed and fail to be the visually impressive they are supposed to be. In this regard, Super has many glaring examples, with episodes 105, 111, 115 and 119 all having their fair share of poorly executed repeated frames. However, for every truly awful example, there are competent and even interesting counter examples, episode 79, 80, 86, 103 and both halves of the special showcasing at least one of those two qualities.
As for a comparison between the two's use of choreography (which should probably be in the anime v manga thread), I think the anime definitely has a far higher number of more interestingly composited fights than its manga counter-part, which I find a lot of the fights to be fairly underwhelming in comparison. However, this is not to say that the anime, doesn't have its fair share of poorly composited, framed or executed fight scenes, it certainly does(and a lot of them, especially earlier on) but I also think it more than makes up for it with its genuinely well done stuff.
I will say that Toyotaro at the very least is more ambitious with his choreography, however, I just think his only found his feet fairly recently in properly executing it on the page.