batistabus wrote:Rebel Instinct wrote:Hit is Super Saiyan Blue-tier strong.
I agree with almost everything you said, but I think you're overselling Hit's strength a bit. When Hit is only able to hold SSG Goku for less than 0.1 second, Whis comments:
Whis, Viz Translation wrote:Goku's power has become far superior to that of Hit's. That's what's happening here. Hit's skills are only effective against opponents who are near or below his level.
Now, Hit is still able to stop SSG fully when he attempts to time-skip again, so I'd say he's somewhere near that level. That being said, it still seems likely that he would be a threat to a SSB with full use of his killing techniques. Goku thinks so, anyway.
Just clarifying.
You know, you're absolutely right. I think I
was overselling it a bit and looking back over my posts, I think I know why. I realize I wasn't always consistently distinguishing when I was referring to handicapped or unrestricted Hit. I was making Hit sound stronger
during the actual match than I was intending. Going by the comments made by Goku and the others, I estimate full power unrestricted Hit to be roughly equal to Super Saiyan Blue Goku at the time - not necessarily in raw power, but as a package deal with his killing techniques. When I say that Hit is Super Saiyan Blue-tier, that's the Hit I'm referring to. I realize I wasn't being clear about that and was making it seem like Hit was Blue-tier during the fight itself, rather than as a whole.
Like you said, during the match Hit was only able to fully stop Super Saiyan God Goku at full power. After powering up, Hit was in a nebulous area between God and Blue that's hard to pin down. All we know for sure is that at full power, Hit was ultimately weaker than Super Saiyan Blue. After Goku breaks through the timeskip, things get hazy when Hit still manages to dodge the Kamehameha. Does that mean he's still able to get one over on Super Saiyan Blue or did he just get lucky? It's hard to say for sure. The fact that Hit still seemed raring to go afterward gave me the impression that things weren't settled yet and Hit would still put up a a good fight against Blue before going down.
Anyway, thanks for pointing that out. I'm happy to have the criticism. Keeps me grounded.
Of course, in retrospect we learn that things weren't quite the way we had initially thought, but I think that's fine considering the low-stakes tone presented throughout the entire tournament. The major appeals of this arc are the character interactions, fight gimmicks, and humor. All of those are great, so I'm perfectly fine with an antagonist who didn't end up being the biggest threat in the grand scheme of things.
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The manga tells it like it is, while the anime tries to make it out to be grander than it aught to be. Feel free to like what you like, but I feel like many people have set themselves up for disappointment when it comes to Super in general.
You touched on another facet that I think allows me to enjoy the fight against Hit in the manga. I don't think Hit was meant to be a grandiose "final villain" style antagonist. Going by his role in the Tournament of Power, I feel like Hit was intended to be more of a rival character rather than something on the level of a major villain like Golden Frieza or Fused Zamasu. If Hit was the villain of the arc, then I would definitely have been left feeling underwhelmed like some people were. Hit wasn't Frieza, he wasn't Cell or Buu, he was a participant in a relatively low-stakes tournament and presented as Goku's new Universe 6 rival.
I think the anime tried to put Hit into the arc villain role instead of the arc
rival role. In that respect, I can understand why they inflated Hit's power up so high. To give off the impression of a major villain, he
had to be that strong. I think Toyotaro, for better or worse, wasn't aiming to make Hit out to be something so grand as that and simply wrote Hit as a rival to Goku and Vegeta. I had always thought this was the point from the very start, so from my perspective they made Hit too
strong in the anime. If one were wanting Hit to be the next "Frieza/Cell/Buu" of the arc, I can see why they'd feel disappointed by the manga.
The post-Super fandom has ruined my love for Dragon Ball.
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