I see your point, though I despise the idea that Ultra Instinct might be used as card to win any match (as many predict that Goku will unlock in order to defeat Broly in the upcoming movie) also how to make someone top that? Super Ultra Instinct? Will Vegeta learn it too making it less special like past transformations? I don't know I believe they could come up with this concept for the very end of the series, it's all going in circles again. (Though I know it's early to conclude anything.)VegettoEX wrote:I have a lot of issues with a lot of what's going on in Super overall, both in anime and manga form including a ton of the surrounding context in this chapter itself, but Ultra Instinct and its rollout as a concept is in no way one of those issues.
Mate, the very idea of an imperfect technique overcoming the gigantic gap between Roshi and Jiren is a proof of bad writing. It just had the purpose of making Roshi look cool for nothing. The anime did it better, having him take on opponents that were on his league or a few notches above. Really, anyone would buy if it was Goku being weaker than Jiren, not managing to land a punch on him, but dodging of all his attacks. The concept was introduced by Whis, Roshi didn't trained with him, Goku did it.Marlowe89 wrote:Doesn't matter, pal. Roshi could be Bulma level times negative infinity and it wouldn't change a thing about Ultra Instinct disregarding "muh power levels". It's a technique that overcomes any threat, no matter how strong. Roshi used a flawed variation. Simple stuff. Your video of Jiren intimidating some random scrub doesn't change that point.
Sure you can close your eyes to that, but yes Base Gohan > Kefla is a thing. People say he was Ultimate, but there were no lined eyes and the hair bang indicating so. He didn't turn Super Saiyan merely for choice, a very stupid one, but remember Gohan was never a smart tactical fighter, so yea that thing Toyotaro got right.Yeah, let's not pretend base Gohan being equal with Kefla is a thing, because fortunately, it isn't. A Gohan that doesn't need to turn Super Saiyan is Ultimate Gohan.
Because some can't accept that with all their problems Toei did it a better work with Toriyama barebones than Toyotaro for a considerable margin.HeroR wrote:And why is the anime always mentioned here?