Dragon Ball is the third highest selling manga ever and the Z-anime is it's adaptation, most of it's greatest moments being recreated shot by shot from his work. His manga also inspired a good chunck of modern Shonen mangakas, most rising up to success as well. Also, he worked closely with the anime staff anyway, to varying degrees, as that's well documented, beyond being the show's 'author' anyway.TheMikado wrote:Toriyama is world famous primarily for a very specific portion of his work, and not even his manga.Draconic wrote:Are people really starting to shit on Toriyama and his manga for the sake of THIS garbage fire of a manga maybe looking a bit better? What the fuck?
Specifically the Dragonball “Z” anime which as the user above you points out is primarily surrounding a VERY specific section of his work.
Let’s not act like Toriyama created his works in a vacuum and everything he touched was gold. I enjoy the original Dragonball run but it was nowhere as popular nor remembered. Toriyama really only has the level of world-wide recognition he has today primarily due to the “Z” anime.
It's fine to give Toriyama's editors the credit they deserve, it means they were great at their jobs. But the crafting of designing characters, writing dialogue and drawing intense action scenes for a weekly comic is no small feat, especially to the level of quality Dragon Ball presents.
To disociate Dragon Ball's success from Toriyama is incredibly stupid, as the charisma the franchise has is all due to his artistic sensibilities and fuck anyone who does it. I know it's hip to shit on Toriyama because - he didn't want his inker to fill in hair lulz he doesn't pay taxes ze sukker Minus iz abomination wah - but his work, talent and sleepless nights are seen on page.
And if you really want to go there as to present that as any kind of argument, this manga is only succesful because of the anime, anyway. There's 0 promotion for it, the volumes sell decent for what it is (but not spectacularly well) and nothing introduced in it makes it further than the page because no one outside of a handful of hardcores give a shit about it. But it's called Dragon Ball Super, so it has brand recognition and that's enough.