HeroR wrote:And that’s a bad thing? One Piece is much better written show than all of Z. Given characters spotlight instead of tossing them in the trash when they’re not needed anymore isn’t a negative or ‘fan-service’. It gives a character depth, something Z lack a lot of the time.
Yes, that's a bad thing. One Piece is a bad series. Now you can disagree with me if you want on that. I'm just letting you know it's a pretty bad show and that you calling it good and Dragonball bad is as meaningless as me telling you I think OP is bottom of the barrel garbage.
Now here's something that has actual meaning:
"Throwing away" characters isn't a bad thing by any stretch of the imagination, despite the negative connotations implicit in that term. Some characters are better in small doses, some characters are better when their character arcs end, etc. Toriyama is smart in that he moves characters to the background instead of keeping them onscreen because he feels some misguided need to "feature" them or "give them spotlight." Characters should only be around when they can be in service to the story being told. Characters should only be focused upon when they enhance the story being told.
I have a strong distaste for One Piece because so much of it is superfluous drivel. There's an old adage in show biz that goes "If you can't make it good, at least make it short." One Piece isn't good, but Oda sure is keeping it going instead of ending it. At least Toriyama had the decency to end Dragonball much sooner since you think it's so inferior to ol' One Piece, right?
HeroR wrote:otherwise so many characters introduced in Super wouldn't have become fan favorites.
Broly is a fan favorite. Janemba is a fan favorite. Cooler is a fan favorite.
All three of them are shallow as shit characters. If there's one thing DB's fandom has proven over the years, it's that "argumentum ad populum" is still a logical fallacy. How many people like or gravitate to a character has little more to do with than just the strength of the character. Stuff like the animation, or voice acting play a huge role in how characters in animation are received. The writing of the characters in the tournament of power and in anime super at large is often contradictory, illogical or hackneyed.
I don't care which bandwagon the twitter generation latches on to.
To be perfectly clear I'm not saying don't criticize the manga or anything else, however when your input is "I hate modern Dragon Ball" you're not looking for a conversation but validation.
I was about to reply to you and say "even though I don't enjoy reading through those negative nancy posts, they're still valuable. This is a forum, forums are meant for discussion. Even if you don't agree with them, it's important that both sides be heard so that meaningful exchange of ideas and perspectives can be done."
However, you're absolutely right about that last bit and that sums things up perfectly. There've been users who are afraid to comment and who actively avoid this thread just because people are so zealously negative in their treatment of the manga each month. I personally feel it goes beyond the realm of just criticism when you have people comment stuff like "The DBS manga does its monthly job of making the anime look good." That shit is stupid and doesn't help anyone.
So Goku was able to tell Roshi in depth what he was taught by all of his masters including Whis, yet somehow conveniently forgets them... That's a hell of a lot of suspension of belief.
Uhm. What? That isn't at all what happened.
Roshi told Goku to remember the basic lesson all his masters have taught him. Goku then pieced it together in his head and it was illustrated for us. Roshi gave him the vague advice to look to his previous experiences, and then Goku pieced it all together himself.
I try to ignore these cyclical discussions, but since I ended up talking about the Roshi thing, I might as well address it.
Roshi is absolutely more experienced than Goku. He's been around longer. His techniques are also more esoteric and specific than Goku's. Goku is stronger, has fought and defeated stronger warriors, and trained with stronger people but it's ridiculous to say he's more experienced than Roshi. Roshi is literally hundreds of years older than him.