fexus wrote:We are comparing it to the anime which did the ToP much better.
Stating your point is not the same as proving it.
fexus wrote:The manga while I can say is more the "thinking" man dragon ball.
You said it, not me.
fexus wrote:The anime is the one that people would likely like more. The one that is more likely to be remembered.
Anime has a much wider reach than manga. That is not in any way a reflection of quality.
I watched the anime. The animation when No. 18 took him down was cool. The story did nothing for me. At its best, the DBS anime is an enjoyable spectacle...aside from episode 131, which was awesome in different ways from the manga.
fexus wrote:The whole scene was treated like a joke. A horribly made one at that.
That scene was meant to be more chaotic than funny. If you found it insulting, it's only because you went into it with expectations from the anime.
fexus wrote:Maybe Kuririn have some hidden power no one knows about right? Oh maybe he learn UI like Roshi.
It's also likely that the humans are never going to get an arc about themselves ever again, so wanting them as much as possible in an arc isn't a ridiculous request. What you want is basically have the humans be gone for the rest of every arc ever. Because they are not needed. They will never be needed than.
If Kuririn had a role that was in line with his character, shared a new side of him, was quirky, or was funny, that'd be just fine. Just doing more things on screen is not inherently better.
There are more appropriate and satisfying roles for the earthling characters besides fighting. They can be smart. They can be funny. They can be wise. They can do something unexpected. I much prefer Kuririn delivering great gags than going through a generic fighting loop.
fexus wrote:but the sense of Dragon Ball just isn't there anymore. The anime on the other hand manage to retain that sense of feeling.
It's the exact opposite. Not only is Toriyama's essence much more palpable in the manga (both due to Toyotaro's obsession with living up to his idol and Toriyama's direct contributions in terms of script and art), but Toei's version is so disjointed with different writers trying to tell different stories that you end up with a muddled mess of false promises and dead ends.
fexus wrote:In service doesn't justify the bad treatment given to Kuririn.
Kuririn's gags with Ribrianne were the funniest parts of the arc. Genuinely funny. Funny in the way that feels like Toriyama wrote them (because he contributed heavily). Do you disagree?
fexus wrote:If you were to show the average fan how Kuririn is treated in the anime and manga, I can assure you people would absolutely like the anime way more.
The majority of English-speaking Dragon Ball fans think the DBZ dub with the Faulconer score is the optimal Dragon Ball viewing experience. I'm not going there.
alakazam^ wrote:Kuririn also disqualified contestants,
showed the audience they should pay attention to their surroundings in a setting like that.
Showing up and throwing out a few attacks for the sake of checking the "Kuririn did something" box is not enough for me.
We don't need to be shown that turning your back to 70 hostile enemies, throwing up the victory sign, and talking to the spectators in a battle royale is a bad idea.
Doctor. wrote:I said they're objectively above getting outsped by some random shmucks too afraid to deal with Freeza's empire a few decades ago, which they are.
Again, we know virtually nothing
about this guy. He could be an artificial human. He could be a time manipulator. He could have a paralysis ability. They made it a point to show how fast he was 3 times in half a chapter, and the final time Vegeta was already aware of it. He could be the fastest person in existence, but if he's not strong enough to physically wound Freeza (who has a body so durable that he can survive being cut in pieces), he wouldn't be able to stop him. Maybe his suit makes him fast, and maybe that's why he's the only character with stripes along the side of his uniform. Jaco has shoes that make him fly, so why not? Maybe his movements didn't trigger a reaction from the Saiyans because he didn't have killing intent, or any ki at all.
Maybe it won't get explained, but it's too damn soon to take such a strong stance on it. I wonder if people reacted this way when Trunks first showed up in the manga and killed Freeza.