Tai Lung wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:58 pm
The funny thing is that you have 2 or 3 users saying that this is something normal "because it is not said seriously"
Argumentum ad populum.
At least one other poster seems to have understood my overall point. Why can't you?
Tai Lung wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:58 pm
you are the only one who uses a comic gag as an argument ...
You know, it might be important to actually clarify whether you're talking about the character joking or the scene being a gag, since you seem to be conflating two completely different things and consistently flip-flopping between each one.
I'll go ahead and address both:
"It's just a joke, bro!" isn't a good argument because 18 wasn't joking. She may not have
seriously intended to commit fratricide, but the tone of her (over)reaction was pretty openly aggressive. It was enough to make her husband of several years feel nervous. Her response to 17 is a hostile one; something the timing, context, and camera work are all excruciatingly clear about. That's what I'm referring to.
"It's just a gag, bro!" isn't a good argument because gags obviously needn't impede on whether characters are in-character. Also, it seems to be a common misconception that gags can't be representative of what actually happened in a given story - a notion that Dragon Ball has plainly disproven since day one of its publication. This isn't something like "Arale breaks the planet", it's just flavor text and it's everywhere in the original manga, the Super manga, and a multitude of other shonen franchises. It still happened.
Whether 18 technically meant to kill 17 is irrelevant. I don't care about technicalities. What you appear to be doing is downplaying her combative attitude with her brother in order to shift the argument and dodge my point, since my actual point is more concerned with 18's disposition rather than whatever her specific intent was. That's a strawman. Don't do that.
Tai Lung wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:58 pm
the simpsons reflect the reality of society and family but bart and liza have been constantly threatened and still have shown that if they want
Bart and Lisa are children. 17 and 18 are grown ass adults.
I really shouldn't have to explain the difference.
Tai Lung wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:58 pm
there is no humanization on their part in the manga
They have a mutual understanding, but they're not attached at the hip. That's the extent of their "humanization".
Exactly as it should be: 17 and 18 are cyborgs, not humans. They were never portrayed as humans, so it doesn't make sense to give them exceedingly more human characteristics than they've been shown to exhibit for the better part of two story arcs. That's completely antithetical to how Toriyama intended them to stand out from the rest of the cast. They're dry, cold, sometimes callous, and often emotionally aloof. They're just not overly affectionate people.
If you want "humanization", you have a large variety of other characters in Dragon Ball to regularly fulfill that role. Most of them do, in fact. You don't need to demand homogeneity out of the cast because you're not personally satisfied with artificial humans acting like artificial humans.
Tai Lung wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:58 pm
Does she know him well?
Tai Lung wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:58 pm
again that an angel doesn't know something that a mortal does ... it doesn't make sense
Again, pay attention to what you're reading. Use your resources if you have them. This should take all of 20 minutes to look up at most.
The original manga already establishes Lapis's and Lazuli's familiarity with each other, being twins. The Super manga already establishes that Angels aren't omniscient. Individual chapters aren't going to spell out every little detail about every character in every scene; narratives don't work that way, and gleaning full context about anything often requires prior knowledge and inference. It's a story, not a database.
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