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Post by Vegeta_Sama » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:28 am

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Haven't found this on here while reading, possibly missed it. But what do you guys think Vegeta could possibly obtain that will best Moro in any way? We know what sort of what things Yardrats are capable of, but I'm thinking about what could actually be useful against Moro.

Considering that Vegeta has been absent for a couple of chapters by now and is still over there training, all this hype is being built up to the point that it makes me think that he's most certainly going to come back with something that will definitely give him the edge over Moro. Possibly even defeat Moro and giving him the most sought after "win" that many people want him to have after that stupid Resurrection of F ending.

Then we know that Goku is going up against Moro using Ultra Instinct -Omen-, but if this is still not enough to best Moro, there is always Mastered Ultra Instinct. Assuming that Goku will end up using it (most likely he will), my question would be that IF even Mastered Ultra Instinct is not enough to beat Moro, what could Vegeta learn from the Yardrat that could make a difference here?
I just can't think of what it could be and I'm dying to know! :crazy:
I'm not too hopeful here, I've been let down too many times lol what I think is going to happen is Vegeta wrecks Moro with his new learned technique, then in typical DBS fashion, something ''unexpected'' is going to happen [gotta subvert them expectations am I right] and there will be some bullshit in the middle of it, followed by an unsatisfying ''twist'' ending, where Vegeta will be cucked once again lmao because we just can't have simple conflict resolutions.
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Post by YuseiFudou » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:20 pm

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Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:04 am
At this point, the only logical ability should be immunity to Moro’s magic. So that Moro won’t be able to steal Vegeta’s energy without his consent. If he doesn’t become immune to Moro’s energy stealing ability, all this training he’s been doing would be pretty much useless and a waste of time and effort, since Moro could simply suck it all away from him before Vegeta can go on the offense.
Perhaps he'll learn to use a different kind of source of power instead of ki? Something that Moro can't absorb? Cause that's what I also thought about it, he can't just power up and charge at him to beat him. At this point we can only wait and see, but I doubt we'll see Vegeta in the next chapter either. :problem:
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I'm not too hopeful here, I've been let down too many times lol what I think is going to happen is Vegeta wrecks Moro with his new learned technique, then in typical DBS fashion, something ''unexpected'' is going to happen [gotta subvert them expectations am I right] and there will be some bullshit in the middle of it, followed by an unsatisfying ''twist'' ending, where Vegeta will be cucked once again lmao because we just can't have simple conflict resolutions.
Urgh... we've already had that happen with RoF though, no need to have him be cucked again. I swear Toyotaro better not be messing with our minds for no reason! I actually want Vegeta's training to have paid off, and I really think it will. I suppose all we can do now is wait and see what he's got in store for us. Whatever it is that he's got in store that said.

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Post by batistabus » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:41 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:04 am
YuseiFudou wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:51 am
At this point, the only logical ability should be immunity to Moro’s magic. So that Moro won’t be able to steal Vegeta’s energy without his consent. If he doesn’t become immune to Moro’s energy stealing ability, all this training he’s been doing would be pretty much useless and a waste of time and effort, since Moro could simply suck it all away from him before Vegeta can go on the offense.
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I don't get see this panel get talked about a lot when discussing Vegeta's new technique, but it seems he's failing to resist a technique being applied by Pybara. Perhaps this is a weird step to achieving an unrelated technique by strengthening Spirit Control, but it seems like a straightforward resisting technique.

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:20 pm

batistabus wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:41 pm
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:04 am
YuseiFudou wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:51 am
At this point, the only logical ability should be immunity to Moro’s magic. So that Moro won’t be able to steal Vegeta’s energy without his consent. If he doesn’t become immune to Moro’s energy stealing ability, all this training he’s been doing would be pretty much useless and a waste of time and effort, since Moro could simply suck it all away from him before Vegeta can go on the offense.
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I don't get see this panel get talked about a lot when discussing Vegeta's new technique, but it seems he's failing to resist a technique being applied by Pybara. Perhaps this is a weird step to achieving an unrelated technique by strengthening Spirit Control, but it seems like a straightforward resisting technique.
Hence strengthening my point. Pybara seems to try and steal Vegeta’s energy, while Vegeta is training/trying to resist it.
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Post by Noitsnothim » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:29 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:20 pm
batistabus wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:41 pm
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:04 am

At this point, the only logical ability should be immunity to Moro’s magic. So that Moro won’t be able to steal Vegeta’s energy without his consent. If he doesn’t become immune to Moro’s energy stealing ability, all this training he’s been doing would be pretty much useless and a waste of time and effort, since Moro could simply suck it all away from him before Vegeta can go on the offense.
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I don't get see this panel get talked about a lot when discussing Vegeta's new technique, but it seems he's failing to resist a technique being applied by Pybara. Perhaps this is a weird step to achieving an unrelated technique by strengthening Spirit Control, but it seems like a straightforward resisting technique.
Hence strengthening my point. Pybara seems to try and steal Vegeta’s energy, while Vegeta is training/trying to resist it.
I wonder if spirit control will allow Vegeta to Utilize Super Saiyan Blue (Shinka/Evolution) much better

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Post by Tai Lung » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:57 pm

I hadn't noticed but I prefer it ... it's his drawing anyway

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:53 pm

Vegeta should totally get a new transformation now. I’m done with Blue. It’s ugly AF. I would take any new color at this point: Green, Purple, or preferably an Ultimate Form. (Or something similair to UI Omen’s look.)

And then the transformations should end for Goku and Vegeta after this. Just like many fans are asking for all this time.
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Post by caire » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:58 pm

batistabus wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:41 pm
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:04 am
YuseiFudou wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:51 am
At this point, the only logical ability should be immunity to Moro’s magic. So that Moro won’t be able to steal Vegeta’s energy without his consent. If he doesn’t become immune to Moro’s energy stealing ability, all this training he’s been doing would be pretty much useless and a waste of time and effort, since Moro could simply suck it all away from him before Vegeta can go on the offense.
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I don't get see this panel get talked about a lot when discussing Vegeta's new technique, but it seems he's failing to resist a technique being applied by Pybara. Perhaps this is a weird step to achieving an unrelated technique by strengthening Spirit Control, but it seems like a straightforward resisting technique.
I agree. He's not injured there, just exhausted. Although spirit control does seem to be draining for him anyway, considering he looked tired just meditating on that pole. I think his technique is going to be a straightforward ki draining-resistance one, but hopefully it'll be applied in an interesting way/ have a good twist to it that would be revealed later.

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Post by Matches Malone » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:28 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:53 pm
Vegeta should totally get a new transformation now. I’m done with Blue. It’s ugly AF. I would take any new color at this point: Green, Purple, or preferably an Ultimate Form. (Or something similair to UI Omen’s look.)

And then the transformations should end for Goku and Vegeta after this. Just like many fans are asking for all this time.
I'd love for both to get something that looks like Omen or Mystic. Unfortunately, transformations are a big aspect of the franchise so they're not going anywhere.

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Post by VegettoEX » Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:42 pm

Tai Lung wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:57 pm
I hadn't noticed but I prefer it ... it's his drawing anyway

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🙄 That comp is swiped from a Twitter thread I’ve been keeping-

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Toyo definitely has SEVERAL poses that he banks on time and time again, and that’s one of the most obvious ones I’ve noticed, since it typically takes up such a large portion of each respective page.
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Post by LightBing » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:51 pm

Might be a long shot but the fight against #73 could be foreshadowing. Vegeta being the Androids while Goku is Piccolo and Gohan, in the scenario.

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Post by Brojack » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:21 pm

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... I didn't realize the U6 Saiyans, Hit, Goku Black, Zamasu, Jiren, & Toppo were supposed to resemble animals.
The sad part of this is that they actually also recycled Hits design with Seven Three now too lol.

But yes animals, three other Gods of Destruction, the Trio of Danger, the white bunny, Majora and Shosa, a bunch of others and now Moro too.

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Post by Noitsnothim » Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:03 pm

Anyone feel like Goku learning and training in order to gain the state of the angels "Ultra Instinct" is similar to Neo's storyline in The Matrix? Especially with the current arc that's going on at the moment Moro is kinda like Agent smith

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Post by Zamasu55 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:52 pm

Will Merus and Buu appear again?

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:22 pm

Volume 9 sold 340,000 copies.

Volume 10 has sold so far 196,204 copies

Volume 11 sold 119,283 copies in its first week

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Post by Miracles » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:52 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:22 pm
Volume 9 sold 340,000 copies.

Volume 10 has sold so far 196,204 copies

Volume 11 sold 119,283 copies in its first week
Sales has dropped.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:00 pm

Miracles wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:52 pm
Lord Beerus wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:22 pm
Volume 9 sold 340,000 copies.

Volume 10 has sold so far 196,204 copies

Volume 11 sold 119,283 copies in its first week
Sales has dropped.
The manga has gone through some weird peaks and troughs in terms of sales:

Volume 1 - 310,005
Volume 2 - 284,337
Volume 3 - 236,720
Volume 4 - 267,417
Volume 5 - 400,000
Volume 6 - 216,871
Volume 7 - 208,796
Volume 8 - 314,269
Volume 9 - 340,000
Volume 10 - 196,204 (so far)
Volume 11 - 119,283 (so far)

It seem as though sales in general peaked with Volume 5, which was predominately the climax of the Future Trunks arc. Then there was a huge slump in sales afterwards, before picking up in Volume 8, which was were Ultra Instinct debuted.

And the first week sales are an interesting part to take into consideration:

Volume 1 - 29,995
Volume 2 - 56,947
Volume 3 - 92,114
Volume 4 - 150,889
Volume 5 - 121,293
Volume 6 - 154,983
Volume 7 - 142,820
Volume 8 - 154,544
Volume 10 - 90,557
Volume 11 - 119,283

The first week sales for Volume 10 were the worst since Volume 2. And Volume 11 didn't do that much better.

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Post by caire » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:37 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:00 pm
Miracles wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:52 pm
Lord Beerus wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:22 pm
Volume 9 sold 340,000 copies.

Volume 10 has sold so far 196,204 copies

Volume 11 sold 119,283 copies in its first week
Sales has dropped.
And the first week sales are an interesting part to take into consideration:

Volume 1 - 29,995
Volume 2 - 56,947
Volume 3 - 92,114
Volume 4 - 150,889
Volume 5 - 121,293
Volume 6 - 154,983
Volume 7 - 142,820
Volume 8 - 154,544
Volume 10 - 90,557
Volume 11 - 119,283

The first week sales for Volume 10 were the worst since Volume 2. And Volume 11 didn't do that much better.
That's interesting. Reception for this arc seems to have been really good, so I'm surprised more people aren't picking it up. But then again, my judgement there is based on the Western side of the fandom. Do you think the lack of an anime is contributing towards comparitively less interest? Or maybe there is just a move online in general - although I am still surprised at the lack of interest for volume 10.

Do you have the first-week sales data for volume 9? That may be interesting, as that wraps up the ToP and introduces this new arc.

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Post by Matches Malone » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:49 pm

I think 3 issues may be behind the drop of sales:

1- The lack of anime or movie in the public eye for so long. DB is still around and being marketed, but nothing compared to a weekly anime or build up to a movie.

2- Online reading. A lot of people each year move to reading their books online, resulting in book sales going down.

3- The arc itself. Although it seems to be popular with Western fans, it may not be clicking with Japanese fans.
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The first week sales for Volume 10 were the worst since Volume 2. And Volume 11 didn't do that much better.
Do you think this puts the manga in danger of being cancelled, or is it too early to tell ?

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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:04 pm

caire wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:37 pm
Lord Beerus wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:00 pm
Miracles wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:52 pm


Sales has dropped.
And the first week sales are an interesting part to take into consideration:

Volume 1 - 29,995
Volume 2 - 56,947
Volume 3 - 92,114
Volume 4 - 150,889
Volume 5 - 121,293
Volume 6 - 154,983
Volume 7 - 142,820
Volume 8 - 154,544
Volume 10 - 90,557
Volume 11 - 119,283

The first week sales for Volume 10 were the worst since Volume 2. And Volume 11 didn't do that much better.
That's interesting. Reception for this arc seems to have been really good, so I'm surprised more people aren't picking it up. But then again, my judgement there is based on the Western side of the fandom. Do you think the lack of an anime is contributing towards comparitively less interest? Or maybe there is just a move online in general - although I am still surprised at the lack of interest for volume 10.

Do you have the first-week sales data for volume 9? That may be interesting, as that wraps up the ToP and introduces this new arc.
I couldn't find the data for the first week sales of Volume 9.
Matches Malone wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:49 pm
Lord Beerus wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:00 pm
The first week sales for Volume 10 were the worst since Volume 2. And Volume 11 didn't do that much better.
Do you think this puts the manga in danger of being cancelled, or is it too early to tell ?
Absolutely not. The manga is still selling well, all things considered.

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