"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[theherodjl]

All of this shit could've been avoided had Goku & Vegeta not fucked around in the first place.
They initially didn't go after Moro at full power. They decided to fight one-on-one. They (unknowingly)allowed Moro to absorb their energy. They came so underprepared that Moro was able to get the upperhand and get his wishes. They didn't try to fuse and instead wanted to beat Moro in their own, individual ways. The training they underwent wasn't enough. They allowed Moro to make a getaway and reobtain his power and gain new abilities by eating 7-3. And they developed no contingency in case Moro might have something else up his sleeve.
As much as Goku & Vegeta are touted as being geniuses in battle, I don't know how they could've done worse against this particular opponent. Their victory at the ToP and against Broly seems to have inflated their egos enough to delude them into thinking Moro was just another opponent.

You litterly just described them from the Buu saga onward. This behavior simply got worse in Super.

Well yeah. Goku & Vegeta really messed up this time however because they made all of their usual mistakes and then crafted a rather weak solution to boot, almost as though they were actually trying to let Moro win. Its a little refreshing to see a villain finally get ahead for once but at the same time, its disappointing that it is the result of Goku & Vegeta being more incompetent than they ordinarily can be.

[Matches Malone]

As much as Goku & Vegeta are touted as being geniuses in battle, I don't know how they could've done worse against this particular opponent.

Trust me, there are plenty of ways they can make this worse, the first of which telling Krillin to give Moro a senzu bean because it wouldn't be a "fair fight" with them getting healed by Dende.

[SupremeKai25]

I mean, the entire future multiverse was wiped out because Goku forgot to bring the mafuba seal, so really it should not be surprising that once again their incompetence turns against them.

[DiscountDabi]

Given that my post was at the end of the last page, I’m gonna repost it here. Its kinda long so I’ll put it in Spoiler as to not blow out the current topic.

Spoiler:

Alright, As it is right now unless something happens in the coming chapters I don’t like new Moro. Granted I liked Moro from when he was on Namek, but they took away everything that made him interesting.

He primarily used the planets energy to fight before and it was something new that was interesting in fights.

Now he just shoots Ki Blasts and Punches like every other Dragon Ball Villian.

His Magic was also something about him that I liked. But he barley uses it now even at times when it would be nothing but beneficial. Like when Goku did the instant transmission Kamehameha, why didn’t he just eat the blast. Thats what he is there to do anyway, eat their energy. The only reason I could see for why he didn’t do it is that Toyotarou wanted his regeneration scene.

Also Moro’s Goat Design. The Most Unique thing about him. Thats gone for Perfect Hit over here.

And the fact that his magical abilities are being overshadowed by 7-3’s copy ability making Goku and Vegeta’s training useless as Moro just picked up a new technique that they didn’t train for. I was on the fence before but now that I think about it this really bothers me.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

I mean, the entire future multiverse was wiped out because Goku forgot to bring the mafuba seal, so really it should not be surprising that once again their incompetence turns against them.

Honestly, a good portion of events could've been prevented if our hero's were a bit more pragmatic and less stubborn. This is simply another one of those times, seriously, do they forget to use their brains at times?

[Noitsnothim]

The best way I can see Moro Dying (The best way to kill him off In my own opinion) is to have Vegeta in his evolution of Blue form create an attack using Spirit separation and focusing it one punch (Similar to movie 8's ending) impaling Moro73 causing all the souls moro has ever devoured come out of him and return to their place of origin regardless of how long they've been dead or stuck inside of him this will then cause Moro de-age backwards from old to a molecule level and then just poof out of existence (Similar to Janemba's death in movie 12)
BUT the twist would be that Moro devoured some really evil possibly even stronger foes than him and they're now back in U7

I think this could keep things interesting going forward in Super after this Saga

[SupremeKai25]

I would prefer if the released souls ganged up on Moro and blew him up or something like that. If there is anyone who truly deserves the kill on Moro, it is the multitude of souls (innocents or otherwise) that were consumed by him.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

I would prefer if the released souls ganged up on Moro and blew him up or something like that. If there is anyone who truly deserves the kill on Moro, it is the multitude of souls (innocents or otherwise) that were consumed by him.

I hope after his death that the souls are released, their long gone at this point but innocent or not they deserve to go to the afterlife and not be trapped in Moro's body.

[SupremeKai25]

I would prefer if the released souls ganged up on Moro and blew him up or something like that. If there is anyone who truly deserves the kill on Moro, it is the multitude of souls (innocents or otherwise) that were consumed by him.

I hope after his death that the souls are released, their long gone at this point but innocent or not they deserve to go to the afterlife and not be trapped in Moro's body.

I could see that happening, though I figure they would want to give these souls the chance to live their life fully. In which case they should find a way to release the souls before killing Moro, otherwise they would die. Just like how 17 died when Cell self-destructed.

[miguelnuva1]

As much as Goku & Vegeta are touted as being geniuses in battle, I don't know how they could've done worse against this particular opponent.

Trust me, there are plenty of ways they can make this worse, the first of which telling Krillin to give Moro a senzu bean because it wouldn't be a "fair fight" with them getting healed by Dende.

If your talking about Cell I've come around in that as I've seen a really good video explaining how giving Cell the senzu actually helped Gohan in the long run. It offered an entirely new view on Goku's decision.

[Noitsnothim]

I would prefer if the released souls ganged up on Moro and blew him up or something like that. If there is anyone who truly deserves the kill on Moro, it is the multitude of souls (innocents or otherwise) that were consumed by him.

I hope after his death that the souls are released, their long gone at this point but innocent or not they deserve to go to the afterlife and not be trapped in Moro's body.

I could see that happening, though I figure they would want to give these souls the chance to live their life fully. In which case they should find a way to release the souls before killing Moro, otherwise they would die. Just like how 17 died when Cell self-destructed.

At the end of the day I can see Merus or Vegeta doing the Kai Kai Matoru technique on Moro73 and that'll be how they finish him but between those 2 it'd most likely be Merus sacrificing his godly power and status as an angel sticking to being a Galactic Patrol Agent

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

I just hope for our sake Perfect Moro doesn't have some last stage ultimate final form that make's his current form look cute by comparison. We all know the moment we think Moro's dead, the fucker is either A. going to regenerate or B. have magic be used as an excuse for his plethora of abilities and power ups.

[Kinokima]

I just hope for our sake Perfect Moro doesn't have some last stage ultimate final form that make's his current form look cute by comparison. We all know the moment we think Moro's dead, the fucker is either A. going to regenerate or B. have magic be used as an excuse for his plethora of abilities and power ups.

Perhaps this is just misguided optimism but I feel like this is the last upgrade for Moro

He already seems pretty much “unbeatable” at this point so I think anything more will be overkill

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

I just hope for our sake Perfect Moro doesn't have some last stage ultimate final form that make's his current form look cute by comparison. We all know the moment we think Moro's dead, the fucker is either A. going to regenerate or B. have magic be used as an excuse for his plethora of abilities and power ups.

Perhaps this is just misguided optimism but I feel like this is the last upgrade for Moro

He already seems pretty much “unbeatable” at this point so I think anything more will be overkill

Zamasu proceeds to create infinite clones of himself after being sliced, the hero's think they won only for the bastard to to create more versions of himself. Zamasu would've won and succeed in multiple timelines had it not been for Goku's Zeno Button and caused Zeno to nuke the multiverse. Anime wise Zamasu BECOMES the multiverse because his soul wants to become 'justice and order'. Zamasu was the definition of unbeatable in both versions, because how do you stop endless clones or attack the multiverse unless your Zeno(a multiverse busting child) Overkill in dragon ball doesn't matter to writers if it makes a good story to them.

[Kinokima]

I just hope for our sake Perfect Moro doesn't have some last stage ultimate final form that make's his current form look cute by comparison. We all know the moment we think Moro's dead, the fucker is either A. going to regenerate or B. have magic be used as an excuse for his plethora of abilities and power ups.

Perhaps this is just misguided optimism but I feel like this is the last upgrade for Moro

He already seems pretty much “unbeatable” at this point so I think anything more will be overkill

Zamasu proceeds to create infinite clones of himself after being sliced, the hero's think they won only for the bastard to to create more versions of himself. Zamasu would've won and succeed in multiple timelines had it not been for Goku's Zeno Button and caused Zeno to nuke the multiverse. Anime wise Zamasu BECOMES the multiverse because his soul wants to become 'justice and order'. Zamasu was the definition of unbeatable in both versions, because how do you stop endless clones or attack the multiverse unless your Zeno(a multiverse busting child) Overkill in dragon ball doesn't matter to writers if it makes a good story to them.

To be fair I am pretty sure Vegeta thought he won too. It was the perfect technique to counter Moro until Moro got a major upgrade

I mean yeah the Zamasu becomes multiverse was pretty extreme (and stupid in my opinion) but keep in mind that was in a world that could be destroyed. They aren’t in a parallel
Universe here so I feel there is at least some limit to what they can have Moro do

Of course I guess as long as time can be rewound and their are Dragon Balls maybe Moro can do a lot worse to the Earth and it can just be rewritten. Buu certainly did a lot of damage after all.

[Kagari]

As much as Goku & Vegeta are touted as being geniuses in battle, I don't know how they could've done worse against this particular opponent.

Trust me, there are plenty of ways they can make this worse, the first of which telling Krillin to give Moro a senzu bean because it wouldn't be a "fair fight" with them getting healed by Dende.

If your talking about Cell I've come around in that as I've seen a really good video explaining how giving Cell the senzu actually helped Gohan in the long run. It offered an entirely new view on Goku's decision.

Goku gave Cell the senzu because he believed in his son's power so much, to taunt Cell. He knew Gohan needed to realize his hidden power in order to beat Cell and that would only happen if Cell was confident and at full power himself.

[Dragon Wukong]

Goku gave Cell the senzu because he believed in his son's power so much, to taunt Cell. He knew Gohan needed to realize his hidden power in order to beat Cell and that would only happen if Cell was confident and at full power himself.

It never really came across as a taunt to Cell honestly.

[Kagari]

Goku gave Cell the senzu because he believed in his son's power so much, to taunt Cell. He knew Gohan needed to realize his hidden power in order to beat Cell and that would only happen if Cell was confident and at full power himself.

It never really came across as a taunt to Cell honestly.

It is in the sense that Goku has complete confidence in Gohan.

[Tai Lung]

That's just a theory that fans invented because the manga totally denies it ...
Vados and Champa said that Kefla was strong enough to beat everyone in the tournament ... (except Jiren) and they saw Goku and Toppo fight in addition to knowing the power of Frieza and other warriors when they saw them fight in that place.
Kaseral with his scouter said that kefla was stronger than kale ..
and the same kefla was not tired and she was very sure to beat everyone

Vegetto eating a senzu after fusing to recover his strength is not a theory at all, it's a stated fact in the manga.
Your personal interpretation of what Vados says doesn't have as much weight as that consolidated fact. Vado's words can be taken in tons of ways other than the one you used (she doesn't even mention Jiren at all).

Kaseral only compared Kefla's power to Kale when she was being beaten by them just a moment before, of course Kefla was above exhausted sub-SSJ levels of power Kale.

Regards!

but it is not known how much ... you would be insinuating that vegito would have lost without proof... that is your speculation
the manga denies it
because you can see zamasu and black merged after fighting being "tired" and they were stronger than before
goku and vegeta merge tired and gogeta crushed broly
it cannot be interpreted otherwise because fordos and champa already know the power of goku after having seen him fight 2 times
they know the power of toppo, Vegeta and frieza the only one they don't know is jiren because it is contained
consider that she have a chance to win despite hitting lost 2 times .. so Kefla > Hit
It is part of the argument in both versions that kefla is the secret weapon and last hope of the U6.
that doesn't make sense if kefla wasn't stronger than an SSB

[Miracles]

Goku gave Cell the senzu because he believed in his son's power so much, to taunt Cell. He knew Gohan needed to realize his hidden power in order to beat Cell and that would only happen if Cell was confident and at full power himself.

It never really came across as a taunt to Cell honestly.

It is in the sense that Goku has complete confidence in Gohan.

If I remember correctly, Cell was looking for a challenger worthy of his power.