"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Post by VegettoEX » Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:37 am

This is all great stuff, but it has nothing to do with the Dragon Ball Super manga. Going forward, please keep this in mind and only post in this thread with commentary related to that in some way.

(Gonna pull rank with one last point about "DB did everything first" and note that Fist of the North Star, an actually-well-known-series that people in the west would/should know, pre-dates and then ran contemporaneously with DB and was doing stuff DB did before DB actually did it. Now consider that you probably don't even know 90% of the series that ran in WJ before DB and yes we all love this series and Toriyama's a genius but can we please stop saying that he did everything first?)
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Post by jd55513 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:08 am

Hey guys! In anticipation of the upcoming DBS Manga Volume 17 Cover, releasing in December (3rd). We should hopefully get a preview for the cover in the V Jump for DBS manga chapter 78 as well!

In the meantime, I have done my own attempt at the fancover, it's something I've been doing since Vol. 16!
Here it is via Twitter!
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Whatcha think?

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Post by jd55513 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:11 am

What are your thoughts about the upcoming DBS Manga chapter 78 and the Heeter wish?

What do you think it will be?

For me, I think I've figured it out!

I think it all relates to how the arc stated, with the stealing of OG-73 by the Space pirates and then Granolah!
As for 0G-73i, I think I've figured out how his role may be, based on the theme of the arc.
We saw how dangerous he was, simply for his Android qualities. What would make him worse? Having the power of the strongest and being an entire "army".
How did this arc open with?
73 was stolen by the space pirates, with master Goichi. We learned that they had other 73 units and presumingly more, we later found out that the technology was stolen by Saganbo through the Heeter analysis.
What was the motive of Goichi?
Rule the universe with the 0G-73 army!


What do the Heeters want?
Intel, money and an army....not just any army, Freeza's army..but what's better than the Frieza army? A army of super powered, amped up OG-73 with Gas(who may be the Heeters first wish) copied to all the units!
Age of Ultron style!


As for a knowledge oriented wish, they may make the following: Wish for the greatest army in the universe(which is a amped up 0G-73 army) which fufills thier wish of having an army in the first place
OR They wish to know everything, essentially they wish for all the knowledge Zuno has. This could immediately be dangerous, as "knowing everything" is rather vague, it could include all techniques and weaknesses? etc.


Here's my YT vid on the topic!

https://youtu.be/cBhEA-3WCLY

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Post by LightBing » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:12 am

Since Gas fought Bardock, the set up for him against Goku is there. He'll probably see the resemblance and need for some generational revenge.

Certainly Vegeta and Granolah will get some match ups but who? It all leans on the information the Heeters got and how they'll use the Dragon Balls.

Hopefully Bardock vs Gas won't extend beyond half a chapter, that's enough for the fan-service. I want the arc to get into the interesting stuff again.

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Post by Mr Baggins » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:21 am

TKA wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:00 am Now with that out of the way, I took great umbrage with the super anime having Goku use the power of friendship because it showed the writers don’t understand the material.
Agreed with this whole post, but to highlight this part -- all those comparisons people draw between Luffy and the DBS anime's Goku are not unwarranted, and Toei was certainly no stranger to pulling elements from its other properties and adaptations into Super.

But to relate all of this to the Super manga, there is a touch of "The Friends We Made Along The Way" subtext in the Tournament of Power (albeit in DB's non-preachy flavor and totally unlike One Piece's sappy nakama-isms). Goku's historic relationships allowed him to prevail over Jiren and his solitude. Also, they won because of 17, but 17 joined in the first place out of appreciation for Kuririn. Etcetera etcetera.
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Post by Grimlock » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:40 pm

LightBing wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:12 amI want the arc to get into the interesting stuff again.
We are into the interesting stuff since the last chapter.

It only took ten months to get there but eh... better late than never.
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Post by BWri » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:08 pm

Mr Baggins wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:32 am One of those linked sources has Torishima flat-out admitting he was actively against Toriyama incorporating resonant themes into his manga and that he wanted to ensure it was "a work without substance". For his tenure as editor, mass appeal was the name of the game, and his influence predominantly shaped everything Toriyama did at that time.
That caught my attention too. I assumed it was because he didn't see much there in the first place. He had an overall low opinion of shonen manga from what I read.
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TKA wrote: Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:55 pm But if you're coming at this with a "this is good" or "this is bad" lens, then there's not much discussion to be had. I've been in enough of those (hey, I have Batman v Superman in my sig) to know they go nowhere.
Funny, I liked that one too. But no, that's not something I even feel like discussing. There's something of a consensus about what makes a good or bad movie which is displayed via metacritic scores and the like. I tend to like movies that aren't scored favorably by these platforms (Batman Returns, Amazing Spider-man 2, Star Wars prequels, BVS), so my opinion often differs from the mainstream but I won't pretend that this overall consensus is nonexistent or has no value.
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Very true! I believe those people should be recognized too.
VegettoEX wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:37 am This is all great stuff, but it has nothing to do with the Dragon Ball Super manga. Going forward, please keep this in mind and only post in this thread with commentary related to that in some way.

(Gonna pull rank with one last point about "DB did everything first" and note that Fist of the North Star, an actually-well-known-series that people in the west would/should know, pre-dates and then ran contemporaneously with DB and was doing stuff DB did before DB actually did it. Now consider that you probably don't even know 90% of the series that ran in WJ before DB and yes we all love this series and Toriyama's a genius but can we please stop saying that he did everything first?)
Thanks! You said that better than I ever could. And to keep things positive, yes, Toriyama is a genius.
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Post by OLKv3 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:32 pm

Grimlock wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:40 pm
LightBing wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:12 amI want the arc to get into the interesting stuff again.
We are into the interesting stuff since the last chapter.

It only took ten months to get there but eh... better late than never.
Meh. Granolah's been boring me ever since his wish

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Post by BWri » Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:23 pm

I'm hoping for more with Granolah. Hopefully he doesn't die, but I don't want him to keep his powers either. Someone above mentioned 7-3 coming back into play. I think that'll be coming up soon, probably as a way to make Gas relevant strength-wise. Though Gas' power scaling is already kinda odd to me.
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Post by Grimlock » Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:51 pm

OLKv3 wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:32 pmMeh. Granolah's been boring me ever since his wish
Yeah, if you take away Saiyans/Bardock involvement, then there's not much here. I'd say the only cool thing other than that was the new Shenlong, had a nice design. Hopefully we see more of it in the future.
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Post by PurestEvil » Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:58 pm

Grimlock wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:51 pm
OLKv3 wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:32 pmMeh. Granolah's been boring me ever since his wish
Yeah, if you take away Saiyans/Bardock involvement, then there's not much here. I'd say the only cool thing other than that was the new Shenlong, had a nice design. Hopefully we see more of it in the future.
It wouldn't be so bad if the manga wasn't released at a tortoise's pace.
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Post by Grimlock » Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:04 pm

Yep, that too. Waiting an entire month has become a bothersome thing. And if that's the case for me, imagine to those who love and closely follow these manga sagas.

It's high time it became a weekly manga, isn't?
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Post by PurestEvil » Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:19 pm

Grimlock wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:04 pm Yep, that too. Waiting an entire month has become a bothersome thing. And if that's the case for me, imagine to those who love and closely follow these manga sagas.

It's high time it became a weekly manga, isn't?
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Post by EGonzo » Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:28 pm

PurestEvil wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:58 pm
Grimlock wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:51 pm
OLKv3 wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:32 pmMeh. Granolah's been boring me ever since his wish
Yeah, if you take away Saiyans/Bardock involvement, then there's not much here. I'd say the only cool thing other than that was the new Shenlong, had a nice design. Hopefully we see more of it in the future.
It wouldn't be so bad if the manga wasn't released at a tortoise's pace.
That's the biggest problem with the manga in my opinion, it's a monthly release with the pacing of a weekly one. In a weekly manga the author can spend a few chapters in pure fighting, then slow down and have plot-heavy stuff. Toyo tries to do the same but it just doesn't work because we end up with half a year of pointless battles and no story.

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Post by Alruneia » Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:55 am

I am definitely repeating myself at this point, but I'm glad more people have the same stance as me about the pacing. The manga still feels like it's being written in spite of its monthly schedule rather than being written to match it, with its current pacing fitting a weekly or biweekly manga much better. But, and I think we've already looked into this a hundred times, the release schedule isn't gonna be able to become weekly or biweekly anytime soon when the manga is released in a monthly magazine. So it is the pacing itself that needs to be improved.
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Post by MCDaveG » Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:12 pm

VegettoEX wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:37 am This is all great stuff, but it has nothing to do with the Dragon Ball Super manga. Going forward, please keep this in mind and only post in this thread with commentary related to that in some way.

(Gonna pull rank with one last point about "DB did everything first" and note that Fist of the North Star, an actually-well-known-series that people in the west would/should know, pre-dates and then ran contemporaneously with DB and was doing stuff DB did before DB actually did it. Now consider that you probably don't even know 90% of the series that ran in WJ before DB and yes we all love this series and Toriyama's a genius but can we please stop saying that he did everything first?)
To add fuel to fire, Saint Seiya, which is basically “Dragon Ball Z” at a time when the manga ran with kid Goku’s adventures, came up with a Super Saiyan before Dragon Ball. The Knights’s armor went gold when they fired up their cosmo, because it absorbed the blood of Gold Saints.

Also, the first time I saw DB on tv, it was on French and I thought it’s pretty hardcore series :D
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Post by theherodjl » Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:27 pm

Maybe they could have guest artists do a spinoff comic that fills the void in between each chapter, simply checking in on what the other characters are up to? I would totally be content with a spinoff that shows things like Chi Chi merely doing housework and Gohan giving a boring academic speech for a couple dozen pages because it would at least be additional content.
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theherodjl wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:27 pm Maybe they could have guest artists do a spinoff comic that fills the void in between each chapter, simply checking in on what the other characters are up to? I would totally be content with a spinoff that shows things like Chi Chi merely doing housework and Gohan giving a boring academic speech for a couple dozen pages because it would at least be additional content.
I'd be down for that. Would these extra bits be adapted as part of the "Super" anime though?

I see the Heeters wishing for an army of Ultrons 7-3's that are totally loyal to them OR some sort of wish that grants them knowledge. The wording would have to be very specific though, and they could end up causing their own undoing.

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Post by batistabus » Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:10 am

In case anyone cares about the color manga...
-Granolah has green ki
-Cereal is orange and purple
-Sugarians are pink
-Toronbo is white and blue
-Cerealian DBs look like the rest
-No color variation for Migatte no Gokui combined with SSG, etc.
-Granolah sand hakai against Oil is the same color as Beerus vs Zamasu (light purple)
-Explosive hakai is yellow/orange
-Wagamama no Gokui in color next volume

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Post by BWri » Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:38 pm

theherodjl wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:27 pm Maybe they could have guest artists do a spinoff comic that fills the void in between each chapter, simply checking in on what the other characters are up to? I would totally be content with a spinoff that shows things like Chi Chi merely doing housework and Gohan giving a boring academic speech for a couple dozen pages because it would at least be additional content.
Great idea! I'd love something like this. One of the best aspects of the anime for a long while was the slice-of-life content. I think that could work for the manga
MCDaveG wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:12 pm To add fuel to fire, Saint Seiya, which is basically “Dragon Ball Z” at a time when the manga ran with kid Goku’s adventures, came up with a Super Saiyan before Dragon Ball. The Knights’s armor went gold when they fired up their cosmo, because it absorbed the blood of Gold Saints.

Also, the first time I saw DB on tv, it was on French and I thought it’s pretty hardcore series :D
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