"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Xeogran]

I hope Heeters will be a part of this flashback somehow. They need some characterization and relevance.

[redon]

Here is my Dragon Ball Super chapter 77 full summary that I can share with you

Spoiler:

- Chapter 77: "Bardock, the father of Goku".
- Chapter begins with a flashback. 40 years ago on Cereal planet.
- The Cerealians lived in peace with the Namekians, exchanging food for water.
- Suddenly, one night of a full moon, some ships arrive to the planet and some small spherical-shaped ships impact with great force on some farm fields.
- The invaders become giant apes, they are the Saiyans.
- There weren't many Cerealians and Namekians on the planet, so the invaders killed them quickly.
- Several soldiers from Frieza's army gather all the Namekians and finish them off.
- Monaito manages to survive. The elder of the Namekians in his last breath gives Monaito the 2 Dragon Balls of the planet.
- The Saiyans continue destroying the city of the Cerealians, but one of the Saiyans (with a scar on his face) watches a child running away and follows him.
- The Saiyan follows the child to a church and there he finds Granolah (the child) and his mother. When Granolah sees the giant ape he faints from fear.
-The Cerealians realize that the Saiyans transformed thanks to the moon, so one of them concentrates all of his energy to destroy it.
- One of the Saiyans notices it and tries to stop him, but the Cerealian fires the attack just before the Saiyan catches him, wounding the Saiyan in the forehead.
- Cerealian's attack destroys the moon and the Saiyans return to their normal form.
- The Cerealian who has destroyed the moon makes fun of the Saiyans thinking that they will be very weak now without being transformed. But the Saiyan Taro tells him he is a naive if he thinks that, then he kills the Cerealian easily.
- Taro asks the Saiyan Leek if he is OK, since Leek was the one who received the attack from the Cerealian. Leek is upset becouse the Cerealian's attack is going to leave him a scar.
- Back to the church, Granolah's mother looks at the Saiyan, who has returned to his normal form too. We see that he is Bardock.
- Granolah's mother attacks him throwing ki with her fingers, breaking Bardock's shoulder pad and wounding him in the arm.
- Bardock remembers an argument he had with Gine shortly before.
- We see that Gine told him that their son (Goku) has already been born and asked Bardock if he's not going to see him before leaving (since Bardock may spend several months away).
- We see Raditz outside the house playing with other children with some beetles.
- Gine told Bardock that the baby was in the incubator at the back of the house and told him too that he must choose baby's name.
- Bardock was surprised to see Goku, Gine asked him if it was the first time he saw a baby.
- Bardock observed his son and decided that his name will be Kakarot. Gine liked the name and hugged the incubator.
- Back to the church. While Bardock watches Granolah and his mother, Leek arrives and informs Bardock that the mission is over and the order to retreat has been given.
- Leek doesn't enter into the church, so he can't see Granolah and his mother. Bardock tells Leek he will go later becouse he is going to make sure there are no survivors.
- Leek tells him is OK but he should hurry because it seems that Frieza is going to arrive to the planet soon.
- Bardock puts on his scooter and detects a life form with 5 power units in the mountains. At first Bardock believes it is an animal but he realizes that it's more intelligent.
- In a house in the mountain we see that Monaito hides the 2 Dragon Balls.
- Suddenly he realizes that someone is approaching and he prepares to attack by surprise.
- When Bardock enters the house, Monaito attacks him with a cane but Bardock stops it with one hand.
- Bardock realizes that Monaito's power has increased to 213 units, so he assumes that Monaito is able to control his fighting power at will.
- Granolah's mother enters the house, Monaito is glad that there are more survivors.
- Granolah's mother introduces herself, her name is Muesli. Monaito also introduces himself and offers his help.
- Bardock tells them that they must hide well because Frieza will arrive soon.
- Monaito asks him why he has helped them in spite of being a Saiyan, Bardock says that it has been a whim and that they must survive.
- Monaito asks his name before he leaves. Bardock tells him his name.
- Back to the present. Monaito apologizes to Granolah for not telling the truth.
- Monaito tells Goku that he is just like Bardock. Goku says "Me?"
- Monaito asks Goku if Bardock is his friend or something like that.
- Goku tells Monaito that he doesn't know much about the Saiyans because he was raised by his grandfather on the Earth. Vegeta interrupts the conversation.
- Vegeta: "Kakarot. Bardock... is your father's name."
- Goku is surprised to hear what Vegeta said. Monaito and Granolah are surprised too.
- Goku insists that, even if the guy Monaito met in the past was his father, he doesn't know anything about that.
- After listen Monaito's story, Vegeta says that it seems Goku has inherited the kindness of his father.
- Granolah angrily asks Monaito what happened to his mother and why she couldn't survive. Monaito continues the story.
- Back to the past. Bardock is about to leave but Monaito asks him to wait.
- Monaito uses his healing powers and heals Bardock's arm. Bardock is surprised that the Namekians are able to heal wounds.
- Monaito tells him that a more powerful Namekian is capable of instantly restoring someone's strength. He could barely heal small wounds.
- Bardock's scooter turns on and detects the presence of other people.
- Bardock hides among some trees and observes that there are 4 people on the mountain. They are the 4 brothers of the Heeter Force.
- The brothers watch Freeza's ships leave. Elec tells his brothers to contact with the Sugarians to negotiate the price of the planet.
- Oil asks his brother how much he is going to sell the planet for, Elec says that 100,000,000,000 poles would be fine.
- Oil asks Elec how much he is going to give to Frieza's army, Elec says 1/10 part.
- Macki tells Elec to be careful, since Frieza is very intelligent and he has a great battle power.
- Gas tells Elec that one day they will be above Frieza's army.
- Muesli approaches Bardock and Monaito and asks if there is anyone there.
- Elec keeps talking, he says that if they cannot defeat Frieza by force, they will do it with intelligence, financial power and the power of information.
- Bardock wonders if Heeter Force is going to betray Frieza.
- Granolah wakes up and leaves the house looking for his mother. When he sees Bardock's tail, he panics and starts yelling "Saiyan".
- The noise alerts the Heeter Force. Monaito launches a shock wave at Granolah to make him lose consciousness.
- Bardock is very nervous and asks Muesli and Monaito to follow his plan.
- The Heeter brothers arrive at the house, there they see Bardock (who is wearing a hooded cloak) about to attack Granolah, Muesli and Monaito.
- Elec asks Bardock who is he, Bardock tells him that he has found those survivors and that he is going to kill them.
- Elec tells him to do it, but Bardock doesn't attack them. Bardock tells Elec that the Namekians have mysterious powers and that they should check it out before killing the Namekian.
- Suddenly, Elec pulls out a gun and shoots, wounding Muesli. Elec tells Bardock that he is fine with the Namekian but that the other 2 must be killed as soon as possible.
- Bardock angrily attacks the Heeter Force, but Gas creates a protective barrier to stop Bardock's attack.
- Bardock takes advantage of the smoke to escape. Heeter brothers ara angry.
- Bardock and the other are hiding in the forest. Monaito tries to heal Muesli but he cannot save her.
- Bardock wonders what the hell he's doing. Monaito asks him what they are going to do now.
- Elec is very angry, he says that he has no choice but to kill them all. Gas tells him that he will take care of them.
- Elec tells Gas that he can do it, meanwhile they will prepare to welcome Frieza.
- Elec tells Gas to finish before Frieza arrives. Gas flies away.
- Back to the present. Elec and Gas talk on the deck of their ship.
- Elec asks Gas if he remembers what happened 40 years ago, becouse the guy Gas fought probably was a Saiyan.
- Gas tells Elec he remembers it and says "that will not happen again". Elec tells Gas that now he understands, this is all a kind of revenge for Gas.
- Gas tells Elec that he's stronger now, Elec agrees.
- Then Elec takes out one of the Dragon Balls and says "Well, we have this just in case...".
- Macki is in the cockpit of the ship, she tells the pilot to hurry up.
- Macki: "Let's go for the 2nd Dragon Ball."

END

[DiscountDabi]

Here is my Dragon Ball Super chapter 77 full summary that I can share with you

Spoiler:

- Chapter 77: "Bardock, the father of Goku".
- Chapter begins with a flashback. 40 years ago on Cereal planet.
- The Cerealians lived in peace with the Namekians, exchanging food for water.
- Suddenly, one night of a full moon, some ships arrive to the planet and some small spherical-shaped ships impact with great force on some farm fields.
- The invaders become giant apes, they are the Saiyans.
- There weren't many Cerealians and Namekians on the planet, so the invaders killed them quickly.
- Several soldiers from Frieza's army gather all the Namekians and finish them off.
- Monaito manages to survive. The elder of the Namekians in his last breath gives Monaito the 2 Dragon Balls of the planet.
- The Saiyans continue destroying the city of the Cerealians, but one of the Saiyans (with a scar on his face) watches a child running away and follows him.
- The Saiyan follows the child to a church and there he finds Granolah (the child) and his mother. When Granolah sees the giant ape he faints from fear.
-The Cerealians realize that the Saiyans transformed thanks to the moon, so one of them concentrates all of his energy to destroy it.
- One of the Saiyans notices it and tries to stop him, but the Cerealian fires the attack just before the Saiyan catches him, wounding the Saiyan in the forehead.
- Cerealian's attack destroys the moon and the Saiyans return to their normal form.
- The Cerealian who has destroyed the moon makes fun of the Saiyans thinking that they will be very weak now without being transformed. But the Saiyan Taro tells him he is a naive if he thinks that, then he kills the Cerealian easily.
- Taro asks the Saiyan Leek if he is OK, since Leek was the one who received the attack from the Cerealian. Leek is upset becouse the Cerealian's attack is going to leave him a scar.
- Back to the church, Granolah's mother looks at the Saiyan, who has returned to his normal form too. We see that he is Bardock.
- Granolah's mother attacks him throwing ki with her fingers, breaking Bardock's shoulder pad and wounding him in the arm.
- Bardock remembers an argument he had with Gine shortly before.
- We see that Gine told him that their son (Goku) has already been born and asked Bardock if he's not going to see him before leaving (since Bardock may spend several months away).
- We see Raditz outside the house playing with other children with some beetles.
- Gine told Bardock that the baby was in the incubator at the back of the house and told him too that he must choose baby's name.
- Bardock was surprised to see Goku, Gine asked him if it was the first time he saw a baby.
- Bardock observed his son and decided that his name will be Kakarot. Gine liked the name and hugged the incubator.
- Back to the church. While Bardock watches Granolah and his mother, Leek arrives and informs Bardock that the mission is over and the order to retreat has been given.
- Leek doesn't enter into the church, so he can't see Granolah and his mother. Bardock tells Leek he will go later becouse he is going to make sure there are no survivors.
- Leek tells him is OK but he should hurry because it seems that Frieza is going to arrive to the planet soon.
- Bardock puts on his scooter and detects a life form with 5 power units in the mountains. At first Bardock believes it is an animal but he realizes that it's more intelligent.
- In a house in the mountain we see that Monaito hides the 2 Dragon Balls.
- Suddenly he realizes that someone is approaching and he prepares to attack by surprise.
- When Bardock enters the house, Monaito attacks him with a cane but Bardock stops it with one hand.
- Bardock realizes that Monaito's power has increased to 213 units, so he assumes that Monaito is able to control his fighting power at will.
- Granolah's mother enters the house, Monaito is glad that there are more survivors.
- Granolah's mother introduces herself, her name is Muesli. Monaito also introduces himself and offers his help.
- Bardock tells them that they must hide well because Frieza will arrive soon.
- Monaito asks him why he has helped them in spite of being a Saiyan, Bardock says that it has been a whim and that they must survive.
- Monaito asks his name before he leaves. Bardock tells him his name.
- Back to the present. Monaito apologizes to Granolah for not telling the truth.
- Monaito tells Goku that he is just like Bardock. Goku says "Me?"
- Monaito asks Goku if Bardock is his friend or something like that.
- Goku tells Monaito that he doesn't know much about the Saiyans because he was raised by his grandfather on the Earth. Vegeta interrupts the conversation.
- Vegeta: "Kakarot. Bardock... is your father's name."
- Goku is surprised to hear what Vegeta said. Monaito and Granolah are surprised too.
- Goku insists that, even if the guy Monaito met in the past was his father, he doesn't know anything about that.
- After listen Monaito's story, Vegeta says that it seems Goku has inherited the kindness of his father.
- Granolah angrily asks Monaito what happened to his mother and why she couldn't survive. Monaito continues the story.
- Back to the past. Bardock is about to leave but Monaito asks him to wait.
- Monaito uses his healing powers and heals Bardock's arm. Bardock is surprised that the Namekians are able to heal wounds.
- Monaito tells him that a more powerful Namekian is capable of instantly restoring someone's strength. He could barely heal small wounds.
- Bardock's scooter turns on and detects the presence of other people.
- Bardock hides among some trees and observes that there are 4 people on the mountain. They are the 4 brothers of the Heeter Force.
- The brothers watch Freeza's ships leave. Elec tells his brothers to contact with the Sugarians to negotiate the price of the planet.
- Oil asks his brother how much he is going to sell the planet for, Elec says that 100,000,000,000 poles would be fine.
- Oil asks Elec how much he is going to give to Frieza's army, Elec says 1/10 part.
- Macki tells Elec to be careful, since Frieza is very intelligent and he has a great battle power.
- Gas tells Elec that one day they will be above Frieza's army.
- Muesli approaches Bardock and Monaito and asks if there is anyone there.
- Elec keeps talking, he says that if they cannot defeat Frieza by force, they will do it with intelligence, financial power and the power of information.
- Bardock wonders if Heeter Force is going to betray Frieza.
- Granolah wakes up and leaves the house looking for his mother. When he sees Bardock's tail, he panics and starts yelling "Saiyan".
- The noise alerts the Heeter Force. Monaito launches a shock wave at Granolah to make him lose consciousness.
- Bardock is very nervous and asks Muesli and Monaito to follow his plan.
- The Heeter brothers arrive at the house, there they see Bardock (who is wearing a hooded cloak) about to attack Granolah, Muesli and Monaito.
- Elec asks Bardock who is he, Bardock tells him that he has found those survivors and that he is going to kill them.
- Elec tells him to do it, but Bardock doesn't attack them. Bardock tells Elec that the Namekians have mysterious powers and that they should check it out before killing the Namekian.
- Suddenly, Elec pulls out a gun and shoots, wounding Muesli. Elec tells Bardock that he is fine with the Namekian but that the other 2 must be killed as soon as possible.
- Bardock angrily attacks the Heeter Force, but Gas creates a protective barrier to stop Bardock's attack.
- Bardock takes advantage of the smoke to escape. Heeter brothers ara angry.
- Bardock and the other are hiding in the forest. Monaito tries to heal Muesli but he cannot save her.
- Bardock wonders what the hell he's doing. Monaito asks him what they are going to do now.
- Elec is very angry, he says that he has no choice but to kill them all. Gas tells him that he will take care of them.
- Elec tells Gas that he can do it, meanwhile they will prepare to welcome Frieza.
- Elec tells Gas to finish before Frieza arrives. Gas flies away.
- Back to the present. Elec and Gas talk on the deck of their ship.
- Elec asks Gas if he remembers what happened 40 years ago, becouse the guy Gas fought probably was a Saiyan.
- Gas tells Elec he remembers it and says "that will not happen again". Elec tells Gas that now he understands, this is all a kind of revenge for Gas.
- Gas tells Elec that he's stronger now, Elec agrees.
- Then Elec takes out one of the Dragon Balls and says "Well, we have this just in case...".
- Macki is in the cockpit of the ship, she tells the pilot to hurry up.
- Macki: "Let's go for the 2nd Dragon Ball."

END

Redon Is the Goat Once Again.

[Jack Bz]

Spoiler:

Vegeta says that it seems Goku has inherited the kindness of his father

sigh. They're really gonna spell this out for us huh.

[Miracles]

Here is my Dragon Ball Super chapter 77 full summary that I can share with you

Spoiler:

- Chapter 77: "Bardock, the father of Goku".
- Chapter begins with a flashback. 40 years ago on Cereal planet.
- The Cerealians lived in peace with the Namekians, exchanging food for water.
- Suddenly, one night of a full moon, some ships arrive to the planet and some small spherical-shaped ships impact with great force on some farm fields.
- The invaders become giant apes, they are the Saiyans.
- There weren't many Cerealians and Namekians on the planet, so the invaders killed them quickly.
- Several soldiers from Frieza's army gather all the Namekians and finish them off.
- Monaito manages to survive. The elder of the Namekians in his last breath gives Monaito the 2 Dragon Balls of the planet.
- The Saiyans continue destroying the city of the Cerealians, but one of the Saiyans (with a scar on his face) watches a child running away and follows him.
- The Saiyan follows the child to a church and there he finds Granolah (the child) and his mother. When Granolah sees the giant ape he faints from fear.
-The Cerealians realize that the Saiyans transformed thanks to the moon, so one of them concentrates all of his energy to destroy it.
- One of the Saiyans notices it and tries to stop him, but the Cerealian fires the attack just before the Saiyan catches him, wounding the Saiyan in the forehead.
- Cerealian's attack destroys the moon and the Saiyans return to their normal form.
- The Cerealian who has destroyed the moon makes fun of the Saiyans thinking that they will be very weak now without being transformed. But the Saiyan Taro tells him he is a naive if he thinks that, then he kills the Cerealian easily.
- Taro asks the Saiyan Leek if he is OK, since Leek was the one who received the attack from the Cerealian. Leek is upset becouse the Cerealian's attack is going to leave him a scar.
- Back to the church, Granolah's mother looks at the Saiyan, who has returned to his normal form too. We see that he is Bardock.
- Granolah's mother attacks him throwing ki with her fingers, breaking Bardock's shoulder pad and wounding him in the arm.
- Bardock remembers an argument he had with Gine shortly before.
- We see that Gine told him that their son (Goku) has already been born and asked Bardock if he's not going to see him before leaving (since Bardock may spend several months away).
- We see Raditz outside the house playing with other children with some beetles.
- Gine told Bardock that the baby was in the incubator at the back of the house and told him too that he must choose baby's name.
- Bardock was surprised to see Goku, Gine asked him if it was the first time he saw a baby.
- Bardock observed his son and decided that his name will be Kakarot. Gine liked the name and hugged the incubator.
- Back to the church. While Bardock watches Granolah and his mother, Leek arrives and informs Bardock that the mission is over and the order to retreat has been given.
- Leek doesn't enter into the church, so he can't see Granolah and his mother. Bardock tells Leek he will go later becouse he is going to make sure there are no survivors.
- Leek tells him is OK but he should hurry because it seems that Frieza is going to arrive to the planet soon.
- Bardock puts on his scooter and detects a life form with 5 power units in the mountains. At first Bardock believes it is an animal but he realizes that it's more intelligent.
- In a house in the mountain we see that Monaito hides the 2 Dragon Balls.
- Suddenly he realizes that someone is approaching and he prepares to attack by surprise.
- When Bardock enters the house, Monaito attacks him with a cane but Bardock stops it with one hand.
- Bardock realizes that Monaito's power has increased to 213 units, so he assumes that Monaito is able to control his fighting power at will.
- Granolah's mother enters the house, Monaito is glad that there are more survivors.
- Granolah's mother introduces herself, her name is Muesli. Monaito also introduces himself and offers his help.
- Bardock tells them that they must hide well because Frieza will arrive soon.
- Monaito asks him why he has helped them in spite of being a Saiyan, Bardock says that it has been a whim and that they must survive.
- Monaito asks his name before he leaves. Bardock tells him his name.
- Back to the present. Monaito apologizes to Granolah for not telling the truth.
- Monaito tells Goku that he is just like Bardock. Goku says "Me?"
- Monaito asks Goku if Bardock is his friend or something like that.
- Goku tells Monaito that he doesn't know much about the Saiyans because he was raised by his grandfather on the Earth. Vegeta interrupts the conversation.
- Vegeta: "Kakarot. Bardock... is your father's name."
- Goku is surprised to hear what Vegeta said. Monaito and Granolah are surprised too.
- Goku insists that, even if the guy Monaito met in the past was his father, he doesn't know anything about that.
- After listen Monaito's story, Vegeta says that it seems Goku has inherited the kindness of his father.
- Granolah angrily asks Monaito what happened to his mother and why she couldn't survive. Monaito continues the story.
- Back to the past. Bardock is about to leave but Monaito asks him to wait.
- Monaito uses his healing powers and heals Bardock's arm. Bardock is surprised that the Namekians are able to heal wounds.
- Monaito tells him that a more powerful Namekian is capable of instantly restoring someone's strength. He could barely heal small wounds.
- Bardock's scooter turns on and detects the presence of other people.
- Bardock hides among some trees and observes that there are 4 people on the mountain. They are the 4 brothers of the Heeter Force.
- The brothers watch Freeza's ships leave. Elec tells his brothers to contact with the Sugarians to negotiate the price of the planet.
- Oil asks his brother how much he is going to sell the planet for, Elec says that 100,000,000,000 poles would be fine.
- Oil asks Elec how much he is going to give to Frieza's army, Elec says 1/10 part.
- Macki tells Elec to be careful, since Frieza is very intelligent and he has a great battle power.
- Gas tells Elec that one day they will be above Frieza's army.
- Muesli approaches Bardock and Monaito and asks if there is anyone there.
- Elec keeps talking, he says that if they cannot defeat Frieza by force, they will do it with intelligence, financial power and the power of information.
- Bardock wonders if Heeter Force is going to betray Frieza.
- Granolah wakes up and leaves the house looking for his mother. When he sees Bardock's tail, he panics and starts yelling "Saiyan".
- The noise alerts the Heeter Force. Monaito launches a shock wave at Granolah to make him lose consciousness.
- Bardock is very nervous and asks Muesli and Monaito to follow his plan.
- The Heeter brothers arrive at the house, there they see Bardock (who is wearing a hooded cloak) about to attack Granolah, Muesli and Monaito.
- Elec asks Bardock who is he, Bardock tells him that he has found those survivors and that he is going to kill them.
- Elec tells him to do it, but Bardock doesn't attack them. Bardock tells Elec that the Namekians have mysterious powers and that they should check it out before killing the Namekian.
- Suddenly, Elec pulls out a gun and shoots, wounding Muesli. Elec tells Bardock that he is fine with the Namekian but that the other 2 must be killed as soon as possible.
- Bardock angrily attacks the Heeter Force, but Gas creates a protective barrier to stop Bardock's attack.
- Bardock takes advantage of the smoke to escape. Heeter brothers ara angry.
- Bardock and the other are hiding in the forest. Monaito tries to heal Muesli but he cannot save her.
- Bardock wonders what the hell he's doing. Monaito asks him what they are going to do now.
- Elec is very angry, he says that he has no choice but to kill them all. Gas tells him that he will take care of them.
- Elec tells Gas that he can do it, meanwhile they will prepare to welcome Frieza.
- Elec tells Gas to finish before Frieza arrives. Gas flies away.
- Back to the present. Elec and Gas talk on the deck of their ship.
- Elec asks Gas if he remembers what happened 40 years ago, becouse the guy Gas fought probably was a Saiyan.
- Gas tells Elec he remembers it and says "that will not happen again". Elec tells Gas that now he understands, this is all a kind of revenge for Gas.
- Gas tells Elec that he's stronger now, Elec agrees.
- Then Elec takes out one of the Dragon Balls and says "Well, we have this just in case...".
- Macki is in the cockpit of the ship, she tells the pilot to hurry up.
- Macki: "Let's go for the 2nd Dragon Ball."

END

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[OLKv3]

This new characterization of Bardock in the spoilers lines up with how DBS Broly made him even nicer than he was in Minus. No doubt this is Toriyama influence.

[TheMikado]

This new characterization of Bardock in the spoilers lines up with how DBS Broly made him even nicer than he was in Minus. No doubt this is Toriyama influence.

Superman-Goku strikes again.
Makes you wonder why it took a bump on the head to calm Goku down in the original manga and why the heck Raditz was such a jerk. Speaking of Raditz, it would be nice if he wasn’t straight forgotten.

Spoiler:

First time seeing a baby?? What about Raditz?

[Thani]

This new characterization of Bardock in the spoilers lines up with how DBS Broly made him even nicer than he was in Minus. No doubt this is Toriyama influence.

Superman-Goku strikes again.
Makes you wonder why it took a bump on the head to calm Goku down in the original manga and why the heck Raditz was such a jerk. Speaking of Raditz, it would be nice if he wasn’t straight forgotten.

Spoiler:

First time seeing a baby?? What about Raditz?

He either wasn't there when Raditz as a baby (which is justified, saiyans while under Freeza usually don't return to planet Vegeta without reason) or it's another case of Toriyama being Toriyama.

[Grimlock]

Alright, so:

1- Despite Toriyama saying Bardock, Gine, Raditz and Goku were never together, this chapter does feature all of them almost in the same place. Save for Raditz who is playing just outside the house (a missed opportunity to ignore Toriyama's nonsensical words and feature all of them together!).

2- By showing Raditz playing "with beetles", it does contradict Toriyama statement that Saiyans kids "don't play". Take that in your face, Toriyama!

3- The assault on Granolah's planet takes place in the same year Goku was born. This means the events occurs in AGE 736 (if you think Goku will spend full three years inside an incubator) or AGE 737 (if you prefer this year and assume Gine will round up the amount of time Goku will spent in the incubator).

I'm going with the latter, that's the year I prefer for Goku's birth year, so: AGE 737 + 40 = AGE 777. That's not right, so we have to assume the story is rounding up by four years. Instead of "forty years ago", it is actually forty four years ago: AGE 737 + 44 = AGE 781!

Surprisingly enough, this actually makes possible for Vegeta to be a kid by the time the assault happens. The only problem is Monaito saying "forty years ago" instead of being a bit more specific.

4- Bardock was the one who picked the name, nice trivia there. But I had assumed it was Gine who did that just to make things even cuter! But because "Dragon Ball likes to subvert expectations", I'd like Raditz to be the one who picked the name!


I liked what I read here, but I still want to see it. I want images! Gimme pictures now!

[TheMikado]

Spoiler:

Alright, so:

1- Despite Toriyama saying Bardock, Gine, Raditz and Goku were never together, this chapter does feature all of them almost in the same place. Save for Raditz who is playing just outside the house (a missed opportunity to ignore Toriyama's nonsensical words and feature all of them together!).

2- By showing Raditz playing "with beetles", it does contradict Toriyama statement that Saiyans kids "don't play". Take that in your face, Toriyama!

3- The assault on Granolah's planet takes place in the same year Goku was born. This means the events occurs in AGE 736 (if you think Goku will spend full three years inside an incubator) or AGE 737 (if you prefer this year and assume Gine will round up the amount of time Goku will spent in the incubator).

I'm going with the latter, that's the year I prefer for Goku's birth year, so: AGE 737 + 40 = AGE 777. That's not right, so we have to assume the story is rounding up by four years. Instead of "forty years ago", it is actually forty four years ago: AGE 737 + 44 = AGE 781!

Surprisingly enough, this actually makes possible for Vegeta to be a kid by the time the assault happens. The only problem is Monaito saying "forty years ago" instead of being a bit more specific.

4- Bardock was the one who picked the name, nice trivia there. But I had assumed it was Gine who did that just to make things even cuter! But because "Dragon Ball likes to subvert expectations", I'd like Raditz to be the one who picked the name!


I liked what I read here, but I still want to see it. I want images! Gimme pictures now!

[/spoiler]

I kinda feel like all of that should have been spoiler hidden

Side note, just reread that interview and the mention of high levels of S-cells developing in a peaceful environment which makes zero sense for Cabbe or any of the saiyans in his universe… ugh

[UpFromTheSkies]

This new characterization of Bardock in the spoilers lines up with how DBS Broly made him even nicer than he was in Minus. No doubt this is Toriyama influence.

Superman-Goku strikes again.
Makes you wonder why it took a bump on the head to calm Goku down in the original manga and why the heck Raditz was such a jerk. Speaking of Raditz, it would be nice if he wasn’t straight forgotten.

Bardock has some kindness in him, more than the average Saiyan, but not as much as Goku or he'd rather die than work for Freeza.

Spoiler:

First time seeing a baby?? What about Raditz?

He was away on a mission when Raditz was born and didn't return until he was a toddler.

[Marz]

Spoiler:

Vegeta says that it seems Goku has inherited the kindness of his father

sigh. They're really gonna spell this out for us huh.

I'm pretty sure the intent of these words and what it wants to convey is exactly as written in Vegeta's line, unfortunately. But in-universe, does Vegeta even know that Goku hit his head? Or that initially he wasn't kind?

''Goku inheriting Bardock's kindness'' seems to be just a fair guess for Vegeta, based on what he's hearing from Bardock and what he knows about Goku.

Meh, it still doesn't change the fact that Bardock was participating in a mass murder (not just this time, but during his entire life), although apparently this confirms my suspicions that his attitude of trying to save Granolah and his mother came about after he remembered Goku and Gine, which sort of aligns with the fact that he decides to send Goku to Earth in DBS Broly because he was trying to ''save something for once''. So Goku's birth and Gine being around sort of changed Bardock's heart, and this situation with Granola was showing the first signs of it

[DiscountDabi]

Spoiler:

Vegeta says that it seems Goku has inherited the kindness of his father

sigh. They're really gonna spell this out for us huh.

Spoiler:

I'm pretty sure the intent of these words and what it wants to convey is exactly as written in Vegeta's line, unfortunately. But in-universe, does Vegeta even know that Goku hit his head? Or that initially he wasn't kind?

''Goku inheriting Bardock's kindness'' seems to be just a fair guess for Vegeta, based on what he's hearing from Bardock and what he knows about Goku.

Meh, it still doesn't change the fact that Bardock was participating in a mass murder (not just this time, but during his entire life), although apparently this confirms my suspicions that his attitude of trying to save Granolah and his mother came about after he remembered Goku and Gine, which sort of aligns with the fact that he decides to send Goku to Earth in DBS Broly because he was trying to ''save something for once''. So Goku's birth and Gine being around sort of changed Bardock's heart, and this situation with Granola was showing the first signs of it

Or Maybe....Vegeta is just saying "Kakarot is like his dad" and thats it. And everyone is reading into it.

[AtlasFlame18]

Spoiler:

sigh. They're really gonna spell this out for us huh.

Spoiler:

I'm pretty sure the intent of these words and what it wants to convey is exactly as written in Vegeta's line, unfortunately. But in-universe, does Vegeta even know that Goku hit his head? Or that initially he wasn't kind?

''Goku inheriting Bardock's kindness'' seems to be just a fair guess for Vegeta, based on what he's hearing from Bardock and what he knows about Goku.

Meh, it still doesn't change the fact that Bardock was participating in a mass murder (not just this time, but during his entire life), although apparently this confirms my suspicions that his attitude of trying to save Granolah and his mother came about after he remembered Goku and Gine, which sort of aligns with the fact that he decides to send Goku to Earth in DBS Broly because he was trying to ''save something for once''. So Goku's birth and Gine being around sort of changed Bardock's heart, and this situation with Granola was showing the first signs of it

Or Maybe....Vegeta is just saying "Kakarot is like his dad" and thats it. And everyone is reading into it.

Thank you!! People are reading way too into this line. It's just a simple comparison people.

[Yasai9001]

For whatever reason, we get info on how Leek got his scar; kinda unnecessary but a cool feature nonetheless. Vegeta saying that Goku inherited his father’s kindness is just an assumption on his part if any. Despite the fact that Goku bumped his head, even if he hadn’t, he would be tame growing up on a peaceful environment. It makes no sense for a Saiyan child to just kill everything they see unless they are conditioned to do so (also luckily enough Gohan gained awareness of the full moon and was strong enough to fight it).

Had Goku not bumped his head, I believe Gohan’s influence would ultimately teach him that there are kind people in the world and for him to take him in when his parents sent him away would have him love Gohan nonetheless. Would he be rougher around the edges? A bit more impulsive? Sure, that’s fair, but Goku would just be a hardened soul with a big heart (someone like Vegeta but on a much less drastic scale).

Geekdom says he feel that Gas talking about Bardock with Oil feels contrived tho literally last night (real world perspective), I was speaking about someone with a friend regarding a certain situation between her and my other friend and that friend texted her regarding the same topic. The shit happens and really, doesn’t seem contrived to me; sometimes coincidences can seem too coincidental to be coincidental in the real world (despite the fact that this is fiction). Fiction imitates real life to some ranged degree.

The fight with Gas (assuming they continue the flashback), is something I want to see for sure. Toriyama’s Bardock in action. I really want to see how strong Bardock’s scouter picks him up as to rank Bardock’s power, but it’s not that serious considering he’s said to be an upper ranking low level soldier (so I’ll keep believing that ~Raditz’s power level).

I know people aren’t going to like the whole Vegeta statement and how Bardock is saving people, but honestly though, Toriyama established that Gine was softening him up and well, it makes sense to me.

Toriyama does contradict himself a lot unfortunately. He’s saying Saiyan children dont play but who’s to say that Raditz wasn’t a softy? For Raditz to turn out being a jerk makes optimal sense given the people he’s had to fight with throughout his life; birds of a feather flock together and Raditz seemed to adopt somewhat of Vegeta’s manipulative ways with Nappa’s lust for blood and outright domination over his opponent. As a soft Saiyan working with the Prince of all Saiyans, Raditz would look up to Vegeta and logically would go to emulate the prince’s behaviors in hopes of gaining his validation and attention.

I mean, c’mon, he’s FIGHTING WITH THE PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS - the most prized ranking (besides King) of course. You think he’d want to disappoint his superiors? For him to (seemingly) put on an act would make him fall more and more into the cold hearted person he was.

Raditz may have been around Gine a lot and due to her influence, he was softer as a kid (all the while holding potential to be an upper ranking combatant - just with enough potential to be teamed up with Vegeta and not sent away as an infiltration child like the lower level Saiyans [i.e. Kakarot]).

May be an unpopular opinion, but I like this characterization of Bardock, truly. At the end of the day he’s a man who has no choice but to continue the life he lives (think of some kind of mobster who has some kind of code that’d make him seem more honorable than your average gangster).

Just my 2 cents. Can’t wait to see the manga chapters and hopefully when this is all animated.

[Jinto]

I saw a much more detailed summary in french :
-Bardock participate in the genocide of the planet but spare Granola out of "caprice" after a "flashback within a flashback".
-Vegeta says Goku inherited Bardock's intelligence not kindness.

Why are we even talking about kindness ? The guy knowingly killed billion of people in the span of a night!

I'm more disappointed with Monaito easily shrugging off the genocide and Granola seems to only be interested in his mother and not his entire race.

[TKA]

Granola seems to only be interested in his mother and not his entire race.

A billion is a statistic. 1 person is a tragedy.

It's hard to wrap your head around a billion, million, thousand, or hundred strangers dying. But when someone close dies, it feels like the end of the world.

That's just people.

[Totamo]

I saw a much more detailed summary in french :
-Bardock participate in the genocide of the planet but spare Granola out of "caprice" after a "flashback within a flashback".
-Vegeta says Goku inherited Bardock's intelligence not kindness.

Why are we even talking about kindness ? The guy knowingly killed billion of people in the span of a night!

I'm more disappointed with Monaito easily shrugging off the genocide and Granola seems to only be interested in his mother and not his entire race.

yeah that lines more up with minus version bardock who I remember killing people but wasn't heartless

[TheMikado]

Granola seems to only be interested in his mother and not his entire race.

A billion is a statistic. 1 person is a tragedy.

It's hard to wrap your head around a billion, million, thousand, or hundred strangers dying. But when someone close dies, it feels like the end of the world.

That's just people.

Yeah but maybe I missed it? But why didn’t Monaito just tell Granola about his mom and the saiyans from the get go. Seems like an important detail if you know someone is bloodthirsty and out for revenge for the wrong reasons/people.

[OLKv3]

Granola seems to only be interested in his mother and not his entire race.

A billion is a statistic. 1 person is a tragedy.

It's hard to wrap your head around a billion, million, thousand, or hundred strangers dying. But when someone close dies, it feels like the end of the world.

That's just people.

Yeah but maybe I missed it? But why didn’t Monaito just tell Granola about his mom and the saiyans from the get go. Seems like an important detail if you know someone is bloodthirsty and out for revenge for the wrong reasons/people.

Because Granolah would've rushed off to kill the Heeters, and gotten killed. Saiyans were an easier boogeyman to blame, since they're supposed to be extinct/have no chance of ever arriving again