"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[UpFromTheSkies]

I don't think they're gonna kill Vegeta off half way through the arc, not after just giving him a new transformation. I'm hoping Granolah and Vegeta beat each other to a standstill after Vegeta unlocks master ultra ego, then the Heeters step in, Granolah realizes Goku and Vegeta were right, Vegeta shares his senzu with Granolah and the three of them team up against the Heeters.

[Young-Jah]

I don't think they're gonna kill Vegeta off half way through the arc, not after just giving him a new transformation. I'm hoping Granolah and Vegeta beat each other to a standstill after Vegeta unlocks master ultra ego, then the Heeters step in, Granolah realizes Goku and Vegeta were right, Vegeta shares his senzu with Granolah and the three of them team up against the Heeters.

However, i do think Granolah will just flat out say no, since he would fight them himself.

[theherodjl]

I wonder what Oatmeel is up to? He seems to be flying away from the battle but it's not clear if he's moving towards Monaito, the Heeters, or even flying off world. I kinda suspect that he could be a double agent but he might also be attempting to do something for Granolah's own good.

[Cipher]

Regardless of where it goes, I like the “Don’t die, Vegeta” exchange quite a bit, as I usually do any scene that allows some down-to-earth acknowledgements of comradery between the two of them. Feels honest to the characters. The scene where they’re waiting to face Moro for the second time on Namek (before Merus and Jaco arrive) also comes to mind.

[goku the krump dancer]

I'm just really hoping this chapter moves things forward, we've been watching this fight playout for 4 months straight, which is crazy considering that we're most likely only a quarter of the way through this storyline.

[caire]

I'm just really hoping this chapter moves things forward, we've been watching this fight playout for 4 months straight, which is crazy considering that we're most likely only a quarter of the way through this storyline.

Yeah, surely this arc is going to be a lot longer than Moro at this rate. Saganbo and co were attacking the Lookout at around this stage, and that was just under halfway through iirc.

[Alruneia]

I'm just really hoping this chapter moves things forward, we've been watching this fight playout for 4 months straight, which is crazy considering that we're most likely only a quarter of the way through this storyline.

Yeah, this. I mean, I've already expressed that this is my opinion, but still, this. The fighting has been nice and scenic and all for the most part, and I'm happy about that, but it's been so long now. We really need to get to the next part of the arc, whatever that ends up being. We've had the set up and the first confrontation for long enough, let's get to the mid-arc twists already.
People sometimes excuse this kind of pacing with the idea that it'll flow better on a re-read where you have access to all the chapters at once, and I guess there's truth to that, but the DBS manga is released monthly, which means the principal reading speed is one chapter a month, and it needs to be written to match that, not be written in spite of it. Currently with this fight it's starting to feel like the latter is happening. To me, at least.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I'm actually enjoying the extended battles, especially with Vegeta, I think they're really well done and I've read through these chapters multiple times. If we get a few more battle chapters I won't complain, but it would be nice to mix some story progression in.

[batistabus]

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I think you're probably on to something here, even if Tori/Toyo aren't referencing Daoism specifically.

Vegeta is utilizing Wagamama through taking damage, but that doesn't seem like what Beerus taught him. It looks like Vegeta is using it as a shortcut similar to Goku equating Migatte with a transformation. It works for now because battle and pain invigorate him, but obviously that kind of strategy is not sustainable. If he wants to use Wagamama to beat Granolah - or more importantly, become #1 - he'll have to destroy his past self (possibly literally) and truly live single-mindedly.

[OLKv3]

I'm just really hoping this chapter moves things forward, we've been watching this fight playout for 4 months straight, which is crazy considering that we're most likely only a quarter of the way through this storyline.

Why do people think we're early in the arc? I doubt it. Seems like we're at the halfway point, maybe even later.

[LightBing]

Unless the Heeters plan mixes with this battle right now and Freeza/others external factors are ignored, there's too much not to assume this is at best the half of the arc when the fight concludes.

[Xeogran]

Why do people think we're early in the arc? I doubt it. Seems like we're at the halfway point, maybe even later.

Because the Heeters haven't even done anything relevant yet. Heck, Goku and Vegeta have yet to learn of the other two's existence. We're really just at the beginning. Oatmeel is a completely mysterious entity too.

[OLKv3]

Why do people think we're early in the arc? I doubt it. Seems like we're at the halfway point, maybe even later.

Because the Heeters haven't even done anything relevant yet. Heck, Goku and Vegeta have yet to learn of the other two's existence. We're really just at the beginning. Oatmeel is a completely mysterious entity too.

The Heeters are about to do their plan. A switch to new villains at the halfway point isn't that strange

We had this big long battle with Granolah, I doubt this is still just the intro. The intro was focused on building up Granolah, then a big battle, then the intrusion. Also we're supposed to be a big name drop/reveal this chapter, which is a perfect middle point

[batistabus]

Why do people think we're early in the arc? I doubt it. Seems like we're at the halfway point, maybe even later.

Because the Heeters haven't even done anything relevant yet. Heck, Goku and Vegeta have yet to learn of the other two's existence. We're really just at the beginning. Oatmeel is a completely mysterious entity too.

The Heeters are about to do their plan. A switch to new villains at the halfway point isn't that strange

We had this big long battle with Granolah, I doubt this is still just the intro. The intro was focused on building up Granolah, then a big battle, then the intrusion. Also we're supposed to be a big name drop/reveal this chapter, which is a perfect middle point

I have no idea where we are in the story. We could move on to Freeza, or we might not. For reference, the beginning of the Moro arc to the end of the battle on Namek was chapter 42 to 50 (9 chapters). The Granolah arc started chapter 67, so chapter 76 will be 10 chapters. The entire Moro arc was 26 chapters. Super arcs have varied greatly in number of chapters, but I think the Moro arc is the best point of comparison in the post-anime era.

[Xeogran]

The Heeters are about to do their plan. A switch to new villains at the halfway point isn't that strange

We had this big long battle with Granolah, I doubt this is still just the intro. The intro was focused on building up Granolah, then a big battle, then the intrusion. Also we're supposed to be a big name drop/reveal this chapter, which is a perfect middle point

There is still a whole lot we have to learn about them, same for the characters in the series. Their plan probably won't be a short one either. Granolah will probably face Gas for 1-2 chapters, then the good guys, then Elec will do his thing, because I believe he will become a fighter himself later on.

There's also Toyotaro's interview, which claimed the planning for this took even longer than for Moro's.

Q: What can we look forward to with the "Survivor Granola arc"?
A: This time the planning took even longer than for the last story arc, but it was worth it because Toriyama-sensei wrote a great original draft. I can't say what the story's about yet, but there will be plenty of twists and new revelations to get everyone excited. Things are going to heat up hotter than ever before, so be sure to check it out!

[Jinto]

The Heeters are about to do their plan. A switch to new villains at the halfway point isn't that strange

We had this big long battle with Granolah, I doubt this is still just the intro. The intro was focused on building up Granolah, then a big battle, then the intrusion. Also we're supposed to be a big name drop/reveal this chapter, which is a perfect middle point

There is still a whole lot we have to learn about them, same for the characters in the series. Their plan probably won't be a short one either. Granolah will probably face Gas for 1-2 chapters, then the good guys, then Elec will do his thing, because I believe he will become a fighter himself later on.

There's also Toyotaro's interview, which claimed the planning for this took even longer than for Moro's.

Q: What can we look forward to with the "Survivor Granola arc"?
A: This time the planning took even longer than for the last story arc, but it was worth it because Toriyama-sensei wrote a great original draft. I can't say what the story's about yet, but there will be plenty of twists and new revelations to get everyone excited. Things are going to heat up hotter than ever before, so be sure to check it out!

Twist ?
Is it meant as a plot twist/shocking revelation or is it just a marketing word ? Because apart from the new dragon, there was no real twist so far.

[Xeogran]

Twist ?
Is it meant as a plot twist/shocking revelation or is it just a marketing word ? Because apart from the new dragon, there was no real twist so far.

And that's why this arc has a long way to go

[UpFromTheSkies]

I have a feeling this will be one of the longest story arcs in the entire franchise and will continue until the new movie is released next year. We've probably got another 6-8 months to go. So far we've only seen bits of Granolah's background, his motivation for becoming the strongest and his fight with Goku and Vegeta. We still need the Heeters to get involved in the action, the secret behind Oatmeal to be revealed, Freeza's involvement and who knows what else. I'm hoping they delve deeper into Namekian lore during this arc as well.

[redon]

Dragon Ball Super chapter 76 summary that I can share with you

Spoiler:

- The first pages are those that have been seen in the preview.
- Granolah constantly attacks Vegeta until he loses his "Ultra Ego" form.
- When Granolah is about to finish him off, Goku appears using the SSJ Blue and hits Granolah in the face, sending him away from Vegeta.
- Goku tells Vegeta that now he will take care of Granolah, but Vegeta doesn't accept it and kicks Goku in his side, sending him flying against a drum of water.
- Vegeta approaches Goku and tells him don't interfere, then punches Goku in the face.
- While they argue, Granolah approaches Vegeta and tries to pierce his abdomen with the palm of his hand.
- Goku reacts on time and pushes Vegeta with a shock wave, Granolah only manages to scratch Vegeta a bit.
- Vegeta crashes into a house and seems unconscious.
- Goku and Granolah keep fighting.
- Granolah moves quickly to Goku's back. Goku notices it and strengthens his neck.
- Granolah hits Goku on the neck. Goku returns to his normal form and falls unconscious to the ground (which is full of water).
- Granolah leaves thinking that he has defeated Goku, but Goku was pretending and throws a ki ball at Granolah's back.
- Granolah is angry, so he tries to pierce Goku's abdomen with his hand.
- However, Goku uses the same trick as before, strengthens his abdomen and stops Granolah's attack. Then he punches Granolah in the stomach.
- Vegeta wakes up and sees that Goku and Granolah are still fighting.
- Despite Goku faces up to Granolah, he kicks Goku against the ground. Goku returns to his normal form.
- Vegeta tells Goku to let him fight his way, Goku accepts and asks him not to die.
- Vegeta transforms back into the "Ultra Ego" form, Granolah is surprised.
- The battle moves to the Sugarians' city. Granolah tells Vegeta to go elsewhere, but Vegeta ignores him.
- The battle continues fiercely. Granolah punches Vegeta and Vegeta bites his arm.
- Granolah slams Vegeta to the ground, then he steps on his arms (this way Vegeta can't move) and shoots several ki attacks point-blank at Vegeta's face.
- Granolah sits on the ground because he is exhausted.
- Suddenly, a wall of a house collapses and Granolah sees inside a Sugarian mother with her child. She looks at Granolah terrified.
- A little flashback of Granolah begins. We see him as a child running away from the city that Saiyan attacked.
- Granolah enters in a church and meets his mother.
- They both hug, but a noise interrupts them and they look at something terrified.
- Back to the present. Vegeta gets up, an enraged Granolah punches him, sending Vegeta out of the city.
- Granolah is about to finish him off. He begins to focus his energy into a giant ki ball.
- Vegeta is exhausted but he's willing to try to resist the attack.
- Goku runs up to them, but he's also exhausted.
- Suddenly, a space ship appears at full speed next to Goku. Inside is the Namekian Monite and the ship is piloted by Granolah's robot, Automil.
- Goku tries to stop Granolah, but he can't.
- Monite opens the space ship and calls Granolah. He is surprised to see Monite.
- Goku attacks Granolah and stops his attack.
- The ship lands and Monite gets out of it.
- Monite: "40 years ago, the one who saved us was a Saiyan called Bardock".

Last Monite text in japanese is...
"40年前に找々を救うてくれたのは
サイヤ人のバーダックじゃ"

[JulieYBM]

Yoooo, we're going to get to see the beginning of Bardock's arc from Movie #20! Hell yeah!