Neon Z wrote:
Lionel wrote:Beerus would have likely categorised Buu with them as well since his line of reasoning during that comment appears to be concerned with differentiating everyone who isn't Monaka from Monaka.
He wanted Monaka as the last one because he was the strongest, so that logic would imply that he'd want a vastly weaker fighter to be the first, but he's satisfied with making Monaka the last one and then lumps the other together. Although he says that Monaka is the strongest one there, Goku did impress him too, enough to make him spare Earth. And now he's just lumping Piccolo with that Goku.
The reasons for us not hearing anything concerning Piccolo's input on the tournament may have to do with the fact that he's neither a major protagonist or set to fight at this moment.
We did hear some comments from him in this chapter though, but nothing that implied that he was behind his other team mates.
Goku could very easily tag out for a while since I doubt Vegeta would allow him to keep all of the matches to himself, especially not Kyabe. Why should Piccolo be concerned when he's got Vegeta and Monaka behind him? I'm thinking Botamo might lose, then if Goku decides to tag out and give the others a chance, Piccolo will fight. Since I'm expecting his opponent to be Frost, he'll give a good demonstration of how much he's improved before Frost decides to transform, thus returning the power advantage to him and winning the match. It could be an opportunity for Vegeta to make up for his botched fight against Freeza by winning against Frost.
Goku in the chapter claims that he'll finish everything by himself if he can do it. And nothing has been mentioned about tagging out at all.
Like I said above, Piccolo has never trained under anyone except King Kai. His only reason for training with anyone now has to do with bringing Gohan back up to a fit level so he can protect his loved ones. It's hard to believe that he would abandon Gohan to train for three measly days with Whis. The pay off probably wouldn't really be worth it to begin with. Piccolo was vastly inferior to Goku and Vegeta before they ever acquired the god forms. Not only is he starting from a much lower point of strength, he also has no transformations and would be working with Whis for only a fraction of the time it took the two Saiyans to reach the level they're at now.
I think Piccolo's only avenues for importance now lie in getting his hands on this book of legends or achieving some fused state with Zarama.
Whis has that RoSaT-like place though. So, 3 days could become 3 years.
Just as Beerus allowed Goku and Vegeta to decide who they should bring along as teammates, he may very well have consented to letting them decide the order in which they fight. His prime investment for this tournament appears to be in Monaka so he wishes to maintain exlusionary rights in choosing when he participates. How would Beerus know the exact amount of power that Piccolo has to determine that he's comparable with Goku and Vegeta when the only occasion where their powers might have collided with each other is during the Battle of Gods arc? Both Piccolo and
Buu were selected without any objections expressed from Beerus. He apparently must not be all too concerned with the quality of the fighters that Goku and Vegeta pick if he's allowing two people whom he made very short work of to represent his universe.
We heard very little conversation from Piccolo this chapter. The most notable input he gave was remarking about the lack of malice discerned in Frost's Ki and his fretful criticism of Buu for not spelling his name correctly. If you want to stretch it, we technically didn't hear anything negative of Buu's power this chapter either, just his intelligence. He actually gave an acknowledging smirk when Goku teased at the possibility of handling the fights all by himself, whereas Vegeta was less than indulgent. That seems to lean in favour of Piccolo being content with Goku handling all the work by himself. But considering Vegeta's previous anger and outcry when Goku was overstaying his time in fighting Freeza, I doubt he'll let Goku have all the action to himself.
I simply don't believe Piccolo could have gotten up to the same level as Goku and Vegeta, given what we know of his training consisting of trying to help Gohan become a competent fighter again (competent by arbitrary standards which may not entail being equal to the two Saiyan gods but just enough to protect against threats like Freeza in his suppressed state). If he were to train with Whis for three consecutive days, that still wouldn't put him as equal to Goku and Vegeta; not when they committed themselves to even greater sums of training under harsher conditions with transformations increasing their power to some degree.
namekiansaiyan wrote:I have talked about this before but that promotonal poster released in june keeps making more sense all the time as it has Champa holding earth and Goku, Piccolo and Vegeta big in the middle with everyone else smaller around them on the poster
Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo seem to be the main characters in this arc.
Promotional material doesn't always provide an accurate representation of the content the advertisers are trying to market. All of those intros during the Cell arc in the original Z series showing the humans posing with the Saiyans are a case in point. The first arc of Super had Gohan in a readied posture of belligerence and action next to Goku and Vegeta, yet how much fight time did he actually see and was it important? Nothing really came of it besides conveying how powerful Beerus was. His defeat at the hands of Freeza saw greater importance by reinvigorating his desire to train.
Lionel wrote:So Piccolo is capable of matching the unfathomable realms of power that Goku and Vegeta have attained after a few days of training with Gohan? I hope not. This series has been lambasted enough for its horrid inconsistencies. Having someone other than Goku or Vegeta receive meaningful screen time is one thing that most fans can agree upon, but I don't want it to come at the expense of damaging DBZ's credibility even further.
As if Piccolo never attained power to battle the current strongest foes. That is consistent Dragon ball.
Piccolo actually has a consistent record of always coming up short in attaining power equal to that of the main adversary. During the Freeza arc he needed to fuse with Nail -- a chance occurrence that was separate from the training he just received -- to become credible enough to fight Freeza, and that was still just a suppressed form which both Goku and Vegeta quickly surpassed along with Piccolo's newly attained fused power. He kept to this inferiority going into the cyborg arc in spite of having worked personally with a Super Saiyan to increase his strength. Again, it took what Krillin described as being his personal trump card to briefly surpass the Saiyans and become strong enough to match the current threat. He never regained his footing as a comparable fighter to Goku and Vegeta again, unless you count him doing only somewhat worse than Vegeta and Trunks against the Cell Jrs during the Cell Games.