fexus wrote:dbzfan7 wrote:
Yes, but he doesn't know whether it was Frosts doing or not. They probably wouldn't think so considering they believe Frost is a good guy who is pure, who wouldn't do anything underhanded. Neither does Goku get what he's doing either. Why can't someone also say "He seems to be avoiding Frost to avoid what he may have did to Goku". Dragon Ball does this all the time. Piccolo has fought stronger opponents head on, and it usually ends badly. He didn't fight head on here probably for that same reason. Why did he tell Frost to use a lesser form if he himself didn't believe he could take Frost on? He can clearly sense how strong Frost is, so he should know, and yet he still wanted Frost to go to a lower level. He chose to leave himself open instead and keep himself at a distance to charge his attack. I also don't want to go into the Cell thing so I'll leave it there since there's a thread for that. Why can't anyone sense how strong Piccolo is and compare him to Frost? Why is Boo such a big loss when he is supposedly trash compared to everyone else on the team? Why didn't Piccolo mention he was avoiding Frost because of how he affected Goku during his spiel? Considering he felt he won the bout he'd have said he was also wary of Frosts tricks.
Piccolo's charge time can easily have gone down as he's had years to improve his technique. As for the barrier we have no idea at what level it's at. Champa thought Goku and Vegeta were nothing special when they were in their weighted gear, so it's probably at the very least at that level. The makankosappo is also like the kienzan, a piercing technique. It's an attack made to cut through people, not explode on people. If they said early on that barrier could contain the full might of Champa or Freeza or Vados or something, that would be more of a convincing feat. Instead it's completely vague.
Piccolo concludes that Goku lost conscious because of some head injury. Piccolo doesn't want that and just fought from a far. That a pretty good reason if you ask me. As I said Piccolo could be be weaker but not by your much of weaker. Asking Frost to power down a bit so he could win doesn't seem much of a stretch. It doesn't matter if Frost is good or bad because Piccolo already concludes that Goku lost to head injury. Leaving himself open is a strategy so that isn't a problem.
So, Piccolo had fought stronger opponents before. It doesn't matter he lost or won but he did do it. So, saying that he uses a strategy just because he is so much much weaker is wrong at this point.
The barrier must be at least strong enough to contain the fight with Goku and Frost at least. Not SSJB Goku but Base Goku and 3rd form frost at least. That's at least because we don't know if a charge up Kamehameha from SSJ Goku can destroy the barrier. Yes Piccolo could have improved the technique like Goku and everyone else could improve their technique. Eventhough the technique is a piercing technique it still needs a lot of power to pierce it. And this is also a charging technique unlike the kienzan which isn't. Kienzan maybe is a more powerful technique but we don't know that. Having Piccolo weak and still manage to pierce it wouldn't make any sense without having it charge the whole time like I thought he did. Yes, if Piccolo didn't lose his concentration and manage to shoot the makankosappo maybe I would also think that he didn't get that much stronger but charging it for only 10 seconds made Piccolo in my mind much stronger than he previously is.
That's the conclusion you came to, not what I believe is said. It's fair to believe so, but that isn't what I think they mean. I don't believe that is the case, or Piccolo would have literally said that he avoided Frost to avoid what happened to Goku. He said everything else in his plan, and yet that doesn't come up? Dragon Ball is simple, but not simple enough to have him just add a single extra line? He didn't ask Frost to power down a bit, he wanted him to use a weaker form, which is powering down a lot. He would not say such a thing if he was on par with him. Piccolo would want to fight Frost as he is as that's what a warrior would do. He wanted Frost to power down to give him more of a chance. Frost reassured that he isn't at his peak so Piccolo wouldn't have to worry about having a much harder time.
In his fight with Nappa his plan was to grab his tail, so he did go in close for that very reason. He needed to. He also had a planned team attack with Gohan too since they weren't totally outclassed by Nappa if they worked together. Here he knew going head to head was a bad idea, and instead relied on trying to power up his attack, and catch Frost off guard. He didn't go head to head, combined with wanting Frost to power down to a previous form, because Frost was at least strong enough to make hand to hand confrontation not the best idea. That's what I got from it.
Champa's dinky attack was a test, which was based on what he thought the level of the fights would be at. He also said he'd be embarrassed if someone broke his barrier. If Goku's kamehameha hit the barrier it probably would have broken. The Makankosappo may need to be charged, but to take out Frost. We don't know how powerful the barrier is. If we saw Goku fire a kamehameha at it and it didn't break, that'd be a good sign. We just see a casual blast that anyone else coulda done. We are not given any kind of indication how much effort is behind it. Both the Makankosappo and Kienzan are piercing/cut techniques which distribute their force in a smaller point, while other attacks are more disperse. That makes shattering something far easier by attacking a single point instead of a greater surface area with an explosion.
I'm not liking this conversation as this isn't a fun sharing of opinions. You're making it clear to me you seem to be trying to say my opinion is wrong and yours is right. I am not interested in that kind of a conversation. Disagree with my opinion if you want, but it's my opinion. You have said you disagreed with it, and we are just circle jerking because you seem to want me to believe your opinion. I do not. I gave you my reasons why. They do not suede you as yours do not me. I see this is getting pointless. This argument is entirely pointless when the show isn't finished yet. So I say we wait to find out what the next Super episodes have to say, and leave it at that. Cause I am tired of just head butting opinions back and forth on a show that hasn't even finished yet. As far as I'm concerned these are two speculative opinions for an on going anime.
