Forget the Gods, how did he manage to kill off all the ningen (Mortals). IF we have a character out there that has SSBxKKx20xSpirtBomb Goku being ineffective, how in the world did Black manage to not get annihilated????PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:I remember that Geekdom101 brought up an interesting point similar to this with regards to the Future Trunks Arc and the current Universal Survival Arc, that being the existence of individuals like Toppo and Jiren in Future Trunks's timeline when Goku Black and Future Zamasu were on their quest to destroy all Mortals.Bullza wrote:I don't have a problem with Copy Vegeta because it was really just a monster that took all of Vegeta's power. Trunks is bothersome but yeah in particular Android 17 is the one that is the most weird.gofishus wrote:I think out of everything in Super, Copy-Vegeta, SSJ Rage Trunks and Android 17 bother me the most for some reason. I'm actually semi-ok with Golden Frieza, Ribrianne, Caulifla and Berserker Kale...
If we're supposed to believe that since the Cell Games saga he's trained and so now he's about as strong as Super Saiyan Blue Goku then with that rate of improvement wouldn't he have beaten Buu easily if he'd shown up in the Buu saga? Would he have been the strongest being on Earth at the start of Super? Couldn't he have even possibly have beaten Golden Frieza when he showed up on Earth?
This is an issue of writing things after establishing one thing prior and not knowing the potential ramifications. Geekdom101 basically made a video discussing the possibility of the Pride Troopers in the Future Trunks timeline learning of Goku Black. Him and Future Zamasu killed ALL of the gods in that timeline, which would mean Universe 11 as well. Knowing that Toppo and Jiren were approaching the level of a God of Destruction in the main timeline and surely stronger than Goku Black before he returned to the main timeline and became stronger, they wondered how Goku Black could've achieved what he did in killing off the gods.
Most likely, Toriyama and the other writers didn't think these ramifications through when making the next arc. The same could be said of Android 17's power boost.
Look Toriyama lived with his choices. Frieza was the strongest being in the universe (naturally born anyway). Every major enemy that followed wasn't some entity that happened to be hanging out on the fringes of the universe. Even Dabura was from the demon realm. Rather than ignoring what he had written literally years ago, the information the characters stated held true right until the end, unless otherwise stated. That's how we know this isn't Toriyama's best work, because it doesn't have his classic MO of building on the previous arcs and the gains and expectations made there.