If you are talking about overAll, then yes, hit deserves that spot. It’s his time skip and killing abilities that earn him to be that high.SayianBeyondGod wrote:My List of Top 10 Strongest Fighters of the Tournament of Power Currently(Updated 2.0)
1 ) Jiren (dominated most of the strongest fighters and rivals/surpasses some of the God of Destructions)
2 ) Ultra Blue Vegeta (pushes a more powered up Jiren with a casual final flash or ki blast as well as overpowering GOD Toppo in a fight)
3 ) God of Destruction Toppo (power is in the God of Destruction realm which cause Beerus to be very worried, not to mention hakia blast affect the entire World of Void)
4 ) Ultra Instinct Goku (shook the world of void, while powered by the entire U7 spirit bomb which his power should rival and was able to put up a fight against supressed Jiren)
5 ) Hit (was able to catch a Jiren off guard with a punch which had Jiren struggled to fight against when in the time cage, so mostly due to hax here)
6 ) Anilaza (was overpowering 5 SSB tier fighters while being close to destroying the entire stage)
7 ) SSJ2 Kefla (was able to surpass fatigue SSBKK(>x10) Goku, yet full power SSB would be too much for her SSJ but threaten a fatigue UI Goku with a bloodlusted attack)
8 ) Dyspo Light Speed mode (overwhelmed Golden Frezia whom rivals SSB Goku)
9 ) Freeza (rival SSB Goku when stalemating him a fight)
10 ) Android 17 ( pushed Goku to use SSB and was able to hold his own against the likes of Toppo)
I was going to put Hit lower but the fact he pushed Jiren and keeps him frozen in a time cage which had him struggle to get out of which greater than what Anilaza or Kefla showed against their weaker opponents. Even his elimination was considering a big loss for U6 by Vados. So I'm arguing his hax mostly though he did punch a hole into Jiren so I don't think his power is that weak as people are claiming. Regardless 17 might be higher if he has better showings in 127 which is my prediction. I also don't know why people are ranking UI Goku so high yet as he hasn't shown anything too impressive yet but no doubt he will later.
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I don’t care what you call me, but you might want to not spam to much. Double posting is looked down upon here, and I’m only doing it just to give you advice (sometimes I do it when I can’t edit, but that’s just it). Try not to triple post.Dragon's Instinct wrote:You're actual a toxic userKenneth La Torre wrote:Oh look, delusional as well, thats newsupersaiyangodgogeta wrote:You're glad that I have common sense? Sure, why not.
I'm not sure if it's a good thing that I'm the only one properly understanding the material. Vegeta didn't get any new power. Such a thing isn't remarked upon by anyone, so as far as anything is concerned people are making it up because they want to keep the Gods on a pedestal. He always had this power. When Toppo provoked his source of motivation, it spurred him into putting out his max effort since he wanted to prove Toppo wrong.
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Right now this is my Top 10 ToP characters because why not.
1. Jiren
2. UI Goku
3. BSSJ2 Kefla
4. Ultra SSB Vegeta
5. GoD Toppo
6. Anilaza
7. Hit
8. Golden Freeza
9. Ultimate Gohan/Android 17
10. Lightspeed Mode Dyspo
1. Jiren
2. UI Goku
3. BSSJ2 Kefla
4. Ultra SSB Vegeta
5. GoD Toppo
6. Anilaza
7. Hit
8. Golden Freeza
9. Ultimate Gohan/Android 17
10. Lightspeed Mode Dyspo
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Since everyone is doing one I guess I’ll do my top 10 as well. (This is characters as we have seen so far)
1. Jiren (obvious reasons, stated to perhaps be above G.o.D level)
2. BSSB Vegeta (beat a damn G.o.D this episode)
3. GoD Toppo (hakaishin tier)
4. SSB kaioken x20 Goku (was on par with vegetas BSSB form before the power up against toppo)
5. SS2 Kefla (superior to a SSB Goku x20 from before he went UI again, but should be inferior to current goku)
6. Hit (he should be the strongest of all non hakaishin tier characters in my opinion)
7. Anilaza (almost on par with 5 ssb level characters
8. Golden Freeza (equal to a ssb level character)
9. Gohan/17 (they are about as strong as a ssb level character)
10. Dyspo (also around a ssb level character)
1. Jiren (obvious reasons, stated to perhaps be above G.o.D level)
2. BSSB Vegeta (beat a damn G.o.D this episode)
3. GoD Toppo (hakaishin tier)
4. SSB kaioken x20 Goku (was on par with vegetas BSSB form before the power up against toppo)
5. SS2 Kefla (superior to a SSB Goku x20 from before he went UI again, but should be inferior to current goku)
6. Hit (he should be the strongest of all non hakaishin tier characters in my opinion)
7. Anilaza (almost on par with 5 ssb level characters
8. Golden Freeza (equal to a ssb level character)
9. Gohan/17 (they are about as strong as a ssb level character)
10. Dyspo (also around a ssb level character)
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Again, for ones blow to do more damage, they don't necessarily need to be due to a massive boost in raw strength, refining ones techniques, how ones attacks, progressing oneself doesn't necessarily require a massive raise in raw powerlevel, the refinement and improvement of ones techniques can lead to similar results, and thats what I think was happening with Hit.Miracles wrote:Yes it is overall prowess. That's why Goku stated since Hit's strength increased "as well" or "as expected" he could try and surpass time skips 0.2 sec length by enduring Hit's attacks. BUT he said he could ONLY endure a FEW, due to Hit's new found strength after powering up! Yes, Context is important.Hugo Boss wrote:Context is important. By Goku's words, he was aiming to surpass the world of 0.2 seconds. But if we are to include Time Skip or Super Maximum Light Speed in overall prowess, that's fine.No "heavy" punches refer to strength. Hit even mentions this when he faces against Jiren. "These are the heavy attacks Goku took!" The extra stuff is fanfic.JazzMazz wrote:Hits power, though comparable to Blue Goku's its power is not greater by any means or shown to be greater through out any of his confrontations with Gokiu. Hit overcomes massive differences in power through pin-point strikes to vital areas in order to effectively incapictate his opponents, thats why he says in his first fight with Goku "It doesn't matter how strong you are. If I keep hitting you in your vital area's you'll die."
Also, Hits time-skip, never didn't work on Goku while he was Blue in the anime, it was merely that Goku was able to counter it by accurately anticipating his movements. In order to not be eventually worn down and defeated by the physically more powerful Blue, that was now countering his time-skip, Hit increased his time-skip and refined his strike without necessarily raising his overall battle-power that much higher than it was previously.
Also, I said sharpness and heaviness because its something that I've seen mentioned in more and more dialogue relating to the power of someone's attack, and I think it adequately illustrates my point about Hit advancing himself in terms of martial arts skills(which in turn translates to being able to deal more damage).
Hit's power was shown to be GREATER than Goku's when he put him on the floor with a single gut punch, no vital spots. In the exchange before, Hit wasn't doing any damage to Goku. That's why Goku had to POWER UP to get the power advantage again.
Hits power wasn't shown to be greater than Goku's when he put him on the floor, because despite that happening, Goku was still confident that he could adapt to Hits time-skip(something he believed he could do without raising his powerlevel) and bring the fight back to where it was previously, with Goku wearing down Hit. Goku only powers up when Hit unveils his 0.5 second time-skip, which Hit describes as beyond Goku's reach. Its this that prompts Goku to use the Kaio-ken times 10, which is a level he describes as being far ahead, or beyond the reach of his time-skip.'
Also, small tidbit, yes, Hit when he used his time-skip at 0.1 seconds was doing damage to Goku, however, by anticipating Hits time-skip and countering his attacks, as well as the fact that Hit was physically weaker than Goku, Hit was slowly being worn down(Its kind of the opposite of how Goku as a Super Saiyan was being worn down by Hit in the manga).
You could say that he wasn't using his full-power against Super Saiyan 2 Goku(even though he said he was at the start of the fight), but the difference between him and Goku at that level couldn't have been so vastly different as they were both fighting blow for blow(something Goku wouldn't be able to do if he was stupidly weaker than Gohan at that level).pacz360 wrote:wrong gohan was sandbagging against ssj2 Goku he stated to goku when he went blue he was going to show him his full strength meaning wasnt going all out
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So, umm, anyone wants to count how many auras jiren has in the preview? I saw 3 at first, then I realized he has one very close to his body, so it went up to 4. Anyone see another one?
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Unbelievable that people are still denying we've reached GoD level even though Vegeta just soloed Toppo.
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I am convinced that Vegeta would now seriously give Beerus a run for his money. He legit beat a GoD.
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Yes. Idk why. Perhaps they are still stuck with that toriyama interview from years ago (2 years). Honestly, with dbs ending, it would be great for both to be at that level.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Unbelievable that people are still denying we've reached GoD level even though Vegeta just soloed Toppo.
Also, this says a lot about jiren. Remember when whis said that jiren has perhaps surpassed G.o.D level? Seems like he actually has, as he is soloing 2 Hakaishin level beings without unleashing his 100% power. Heck, the dude has 4 auras, that’s enough to justify his position.
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I rest assured that Kefla is indeed stronger than Toppo, at worst comparable to the Vegeta that solo'd him. While I don't think his Hakaishin powers were planned back at the Exhibition Match (considering this is Toei we are talking about, and in said episode Belmod didn't even know who Jiren was so lol), him being defeated by SSBluer Vegeta fits nicely with his doubts about being able to beat Goku or not.
So:
Beyond Hakaishin: Jiren, Complete UI Goku
High Hakaishin: Beerus, Quitela, SSB Vegetto
Mid Hakaishin: UI Goku, SS2 Kefla
Low Hakaishin: Belmod*, SSBluer Vegeta, SSBKK20 Goku, Toppo
* = Goku's Genkidama scared him shitless, but that may be another Toei thingy. Maybe he's just that weak but who knows.
And this fits nicely in the manga too where MSSB could be an Hakaishin candidate in other universes.
So:
Beyond Hakaishin: Jiren, Complete UI Goku
High Hakaishin: Beerus, Quitela, SSB Vegetto
Mid Hakaishin: UI Goku, SS2 Kefla
Low Hakaishin: Belmod*, SSBluer Vegeta, SSBKK20 Goku, Toppo
* = Goku's Genkidama scared him shitless, but that may be another Toei thingy. Maybe he's just that weak but who knows.
And this fits nicely in the manga too where MSSB could be an Hakaishin candidate in other universes.
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You should all wait till the manga is also done. Then we will be able to properly scale the characters. Cos the anime is broken beyond recovery.
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So with vegeta, toppo, and goku being at Hakaishin tier, and jiren still being vastly superior to that, does anyone think even a Mastered UI can handle jiren alone?
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That's assuming we're going to get a different UI from the one we saw the first two times. People just assumed we would because there was a red aura on the promotional poster, and the community has been sticking to this assumption like a redneck sticks to his welfare, lol
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Umm okay, I don't care that you don't care, if so be it if you keep being rude I will report you to get banned. This is a community that loves dragon ball that's why we spend our time here there is no need to be so toxic, learn some respect I really hope you don't act the same in real life. End of discussion.Kenneth La Torre wrote:I don’t care what you call me, but you might want to not spam to much. Double posting is looked down upon here, and I’m only doing it just to give you advice (sometimes I do it when I can’t edit, but that’s just it). Try not to triple post.Dragon's Instinct wrote:You're actual a toxic userKenneth La Torre wrote:
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People seriously need to stop ranking SSJ2 Kefla so high above GOD Toppo or Ultra Blue Vegeta or even hakaishin tier. I thought it's been already argued that she fought a fatigue Goku in which she only surpassed his SSBKK(>=x10) after powering up to SSJ2. But continues to get overpowered by fatigue UI Goku that powered up a little and allowed her to power up more, with Gohan making it clear Goku was mostly igniting her with that small power up. Vados makes it clear SSB full power Goku may be too much for her SSJ. So in the end in SSJ2 she's either SSBKK x2-3 to rivalling SSBKK x10 (despite Goku being fatigue). I also don't know why UI is ranked 2nd despite the limited feats with his best feat being to gaze and holding own against a very supressed Jiren(much more then episode 122 IIRC). I guess shaking the world of Void is impressive but I'm pretty sure GOD Toppo affected the entire thing as well with just a hakia blast. But I find the former the biggest issue here.
If people want a very detail explanation and gauge of Kefla power and why it's nowhere near spirit bomb level with translations and screenshots quotes, you can check out my prior post in this thread.
If people want a very detail explanation and gauge of Kefla power and why it's nowhere near spirit bomb level with translations and screenshots quotes, you can check out my prior post in this thread.
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I hope he does have that red aura around him. He looks very cool like that.Saturnine wrote:That's assuming we're going to get a different UI from the one we saw the first two times. People just assumed we would because there was a red aura on the promotional poster, and the community has been sticking to this assumption like a redneck sticks to his welfare, lol
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I don't care what anyone says. 17 is definitely blue level. He outperformed Golden Freeza and put up a much better fight against Toppo. And what is up with Vegeta being able to touch Toppo in his Hikai aura?
Also, is anyone else bothered that the saiyins seemingly have infinite stamina? Goku went UI TWICE (and goes to zero stamina) but is still running around with Kaioken x20. Vegeta's is confirmed to be out of KI after the final explosion yet he is using blue again in the NEP
Also, is anyone else bothered that the saiyins seemingly have infinite stamina? Goku went UI TWICE (and goes to zero stamina) but is still running around with Kaioken x20. Vegeta's is confirmed to be out of KI after the final explosion yet he is using blue again in the NEP
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You don't care, but you'd do well to consider the arguments, especially since the argument you put forth here lacks some elaboration like how did #17 outperform Golden Freeza in terms of power?AvatarReiko wrote:I don't care what anyone says. 17 is definitely blue level. He outperformed Golden Freeza and put up a much better fight against Toppo.
Here against Toppo neither had any chance with power alone, but #17 did the smart thing and avoided the Destruction blasts, while Freeza stupidly thought he could deal with one and got his just deserts for that miscalculation.
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Power is proportional to speed, and 17 has been able to dodge Toppo's attacks. He also endured one. I don't think he'd be able to do that at below Blue level to be honest.dbgtFO wrote:You don't care, but you'd do well to consider the arguments, especially since the argument you put forth here lacks some elaboration like how did #17 outperform Golden Freeza in terms of power?AvatarReiko wrote:I don't care what anyone says. 17 is definitely blue level. He outperformed Golden Freeza and put up a much better fight against Toppo.
Here against Toppo neither had any chance with power alone, but #17 did the smart thing and avoided the Destruction blasts, while Freeza stupidly thought he could deal with one and got his just deserts for that miscalculation.
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His dodging of Toppo's attacks doesn't seem different to Krillin dodging Nappa back in the day.Saturnine wrote:Power is proportional to speed, and 17 has been able to dodge Toppo's attacks. He also endured one. I don't think he'd be able to do that at below Blue level to be honest.dbgtFO wrote:You don't care, but you'd do well to consider the arguments, especially since the argument you put forth here lacks some elaboration like how did #17 outperform Golden Freeza in terms of power?AvatarReiko wrote:I don't care what anyone says. 17 is definitely blue level. He outperformed Golden Freeza and put up a much better fight against Toppo.
Here against Toppo neither had any chance with power alone, but #17 did the smart thing and avoided the Destruction blasts, while Freeza stupidly thought he could deal with one and got his just deserts for that miscalculation.
If the fight was up close and not mostly at a distance, I believe it would have been a different result and even then he also endured a Jiren attack, but he's not close to him either.
Furthermore I find it arbitrary, that Blue level would be required to do that, just a few episodes ago base Goku took an attack from Jiren and remarked how he had never experienced such a strong attack before, but base Goku is just base level, so he didn't need to be at a arbitrary blue level to survive the strongest attack he's ever been hit by. That is obviously insanity.
And finally back in the day not even a difference of 50% in power was needed to blitz another, but now GoD Candidate, flat out stated to be much stronger than #17, can't even blitz him, but at least we kinda get the idea there is a difference between FF Freeza and #17, since Toppo could blitz Freeza, but not #17.