Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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wolflonnie
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by wolflonnie » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:21 am
JazzMazz wrote:Kenneth La Torre wrote:wolflonnie wrote:
This. Bad execution is what makes seem Kefla stronger than Vegetto.
Not just bad execution, but bad writing in making Kefla insanely strong for no freaking reason
How does SS2 Kefla seem stronger than Blue Vegetto?
I mean, she is stronger than Goku Blue(with Kaio-ken) as a regular Super Saiyan, but there is really nothing to suggest that she is stronger than Vegetto(she is strong, but people like Zamasu and Vegetto are heads and toes above them, more in the league of someone like UI(even Omen) Goku, than Kefla).
Goku and Trunks being somehow able to damage Merged Zamasu, while for Kefla, and just in her SSJ2 form, Goku needs something stronger than KKx20. We're not even sure which KK multiplier he used against Zamasu.
Not to mention, the fanfare around Kefla, and the lack of thereof around Vegetto.
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by Hugo Boss » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:59 pm
wolflonnie wrote:JazzMazz wrote:Kenneth La Torre wrote:
Not just bad execution, but bad writing in making Kefla insanely strong for no freaking reason
How does SS2 Kefla seem stronger than Blue Vegetto?
I mean, she is stronger than Goku Blue(with Kaio-ken) as a regular Super Saiyan, but there is really nothing to suggest that she is stronger than Vegetto(she is strong, but people like Zamasu and Vegetto are heads and toes above them, more in the league of someone like UI(even Omen) Goku, than Kefla).
Goku and Trunks being somehow able to damage Merged Zamasu, while for Kefla, and just in her SSJ2 form, Goku needs something stronger than KKx20. We're not even sure which KK multiplier he used against Zamasu.
Not to mention, the fanfare around Kefla, and the lack of thereof around Vegetto.
There is an explanation for that. Once Zamasu gets immortality he doesn’t defend himself properly. He inherited this trace after fusing as well, but since he is half mortal he can take damage if directly hit.
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by TheGreatSaiyaman » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:41 pm
Quick list of top 10 strongest competitors in Tournament of Power:
1. Roided Jiren
2. Silent Jiren
3. Shirtless Purple Alien of U11
4. The mortal beyond a God of Destruction in U11
5. The strongest Pride Trooper
6. Goku
7. Gohan's father
8. Krillin's best friend
9. The Ultra Instinct guy
10. The Saiyan with white hair
847. other characters (the no names
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by PerhapsTheOtherOne » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:43 pm
TheGreatSaiyaman wrote:Quick list of top 10 strongest competitors in Tournament of Power:
1. Roided Jiren
2. Silent Jiren
3. Shirtless Purple Alien of U11
4. The mortal beyond a God of Destruction in U11
5. The strongest Pride Trooper
6. Goku
7. Gohan's father
8. Krillin's best friend
9. The Ultra Instinct guy
10. The Saiyan with white hair
And Ultra Instinct Shaggy is above them all
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by TheGreatSaiyaman » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:45 pm
PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:TheGreatSaiyaman wrote:Quick list of top 10 strongest competitors in Tournament of Power:
1. Roided Jiren
2. Silent Jiren
3. Shirtless Purple Alien of U11
4. The mortal beyond a God of Destruction in U11
5. The strongest Pride Trooper
6. Goku
7. Gohan's father
8. Krillin's best friend
9. The Ultra Instinct guy
10. The Saiyan with white hair
And Ultra Instinct Shaggy is above them all
of course, I forgot ma boi UI Shaggy, knew I was missing someone
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by Miracles » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:30 pm
TheUltimateNinja wrote:How many seconds can Beerus last against Jiren?
I'm gonna make sure I give you a call when Beerus is still on the throne after this TOP.
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by Kenneth La Torre » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:55 pm
TheUltimateNinja wrote:How many seconds can Beerus last against Jiren?
He can probably last a long time. It all depends if MUI goku is slightly stronger or stronger by a decent amount than beerus.
Maybe something along the lines of
Beerus <= MUI goku <= Jiren.
The interview already stated jiren to be gokus greatest rival, so that means a lot in terms of his strength.
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by brett wheeler » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:06 am
Kenneth La Torre wrote:TheUltimateNinja wrote:How many seconds can Beerus last against Jiren?
He can probably last a long time. It all depends if MUI goku is slightly stronger or stronger by a decent amount than beerus.
Maybe something along the lines of
Beerus <= MUI goku <= Jiren.
The interview already stated jiren to be gokus greatest rival, so that means a lot in terms of his strength.
It's probably like this.
Jiren all out piont blank attack>Jiren FP=MUI goku>=beerus
Considering the Oracle fish depicts goku as one of beerus's greatest rivals, I can't see him being to much weaker, and since jiren is goku greatest rival and the context of the next episode spiolers, I can't see him being stronger normally than MUI goku so I say he is the same over all in terms of power normally, but if some one is equal and charges full power into one strike the other person would surely fall if it hits anyway, and that's all the context shows that jiren once focused and trying all out in one shot at point blank range can defeat goku, I say goku could do the same thing here but didn't get the opening to do it before jiren got his.
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by Kenneth La Torre » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:37 am
brett wheeler wrote:Kenneth La Torre wrote:TheUltimateNinja wrote:How many seconds can Beerus last against Jiren?
He can probably last a long time. It all depends if MUI goku is slightly stronger or stronger by a decent amount than beerus.
Maybe something along the lines of
Beerus <= MUI goku <= Jiren.
The interview already stated jiren to be gokus greatest rival, so that means a lot in terms of his strength.
It's probably like this.
Jiren all out piont blank attack>Jiren FP=MUI goku>=beerus
Considering the Oracle fish depicts goku as one of beerus's greatest rivals, I can't see him being to much weaker, and since jiren is goku greatest rival and the context of the next episode spiolers, I can't see him being stronger normally than MUI goku so I say he is the same over all in terms of power normally, but if some one is equal and charges full power into one strike the other person would surely fall if it hits anyway, and that's all the context shows that jiren once focused and trying all out in one shot at point blank range can defeat goku, I say goku could do the same thing here but didn't get the opening to do it before jiren got his.
I’m waiting to see how it turns out. We have no clue on what this FP jirens attack is. Is it a normal Ki blast? Power impact? His new technique called “overheating magnetron” from heroes? I hope the WSJ spoiler coming out today or tommoro reveal a little more on this subject
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by Legion » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:34 am
TheUltimateNinja wrote:How many seconds can Beerus last against Jiren?
If Jiren can't one shot Goku, he can't one shot Beerus, people like it or no.
So, Jiren will use his full power, as i thought.
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by ZenkaiBoosts » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:42 am
Legion wrote:TheUltimateNinja wrote:How many seconds can Beerus last against Jiren?
If Jiren can't one shot Goku, he can't one shot Beerus, people like it or no.
So, Jiren will use his full power, as i thought.
Jiren just needs to "get serious" then he can one shot everyone.
[spoiler]Its a joke. Full power Jiren has essentially become a meme now[/spoiler]
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by Kenneth La Torre » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:38 am
Legion wrote:TheUltimateNinja wrote:How many seconds can Beerus last against Jiren?
If Jiren can't one shot Goku, he can't one shot Beerus, people like it or no.
So, Jiren will use his full power, as i thought.
If you think about it, MUI goku won’t last a minute against jiren, probably like 50-55 seconds in in-universe time
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by buutenks » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:14 pm
Cant wait to see Full Power Jiren. Before ToP I was super exicted to see what Goku;s new form will be and how he will be beating on Jiren. But now I'm rooting for Jiren lol. Its like Goku is the villain and Jiren the hero.
To bad that Jiren will be erased, since u7 must win.
Think this is the first DB character to surpass the Z cast even after they attained a new form or a power boost without transformations or power boosts himself.
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by PerhapsTheOtherOne » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:17 pm
buutenks wrote:Cant wait to see Full Power Jiren. Before ToP I was super exicted to see what Goku;s new form will be and how he will be beating on Jiren. But now I'm rooting for Jiren lol. Its like Goku is the villain and Jiren the hero.
To bad that Jiren will be erased, since u7 must win.
Think this is the first DB character to surpass the Z cast even after they attained a new form or a power boost without transformations or power boosts himself.
Beerus, brother. Beerus was the first.
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by Kenneth La Torre » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:18 pm
buutenks wrote:Cant wait to see Full Power Jiren. Before ToP I was super exicted to see what Goku;s new form will be and how he will be beating on Jiren. But now I'm rooting for Jiren lol. Its like Goku is the villain and Jiren the hero.
To bad that Jiren will be erased, since u7 must win.
Think this is the first DB character to surpass the Z cast even after they attained a new form or a power boost without transformations or power boosts himself.
I highly doubt universe 11 will be erased. Especially how inportant he was mentioned to be in the interview from a couple days ago. I see a draw.
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by buutenks » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:50 pm
PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:
Beerus, brother. Beerus was the first.
Beerus is part of the gang now, so he doesnt count.
Kenneth La Torre wrote:
I highly doubt universe 11 will be erased. Especially how inportant he was mentioned to be in the interview from a couple days ago. I see a draw.
When was this?
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by Hugo Boss » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:02 pm
buutenks wrote:Kenneth La Torre wrote:
I highly doubt universe 11 will be erased. Especially how inportant he was mentioned to be in the interview from a couple days ago. I see a draw.
When was this?
Going by the spoilers, there is a chance Jiren will win the tournament, but since this is Dragon Ball, it will have a “unpredictable” consequence.
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by Kenneth La Torre » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:28 pm
buutenks wrote:PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:
Beerus, brother. Beerus was the first.
Beerus is part of the gang now, so he doesnt count.
Kenneth La Torre wrote:
I highly doubt universe 11 will be erased. Especially how inportant he was mentioned to be in the interview from a couple days ago. I see a draw.
When was this?
Interview. Go read it
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by Bullza » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:35 pm
It's so long off its not worth thinking too much about...but when the new movie comes out, would we need a new strength discussion thread for that movie or would we just use this or maybe rename it or something?
I remember there was a thread like this for the Resurrection F movie. That was what led me to make this.