dragon boss z wrote:Ok, not counting video games.
dragon ball manga, BOG, RoF
dragon ball minus, jaco manga, dragon ball manga, dragon ball super manga
dargon ball manga, dragon ball super anime
Bardock father of Goku, dragon ball anime, dragon ball z, future Trunks special, dragon ball GT, (movies can be included in this canon as well)
dragon ball anime, dragon ball z, future Trunks special, dragon ball super
dragon ball anime, dragon ball kai, dragon ball super
I could actually do more tbh.
I'll give you db, dbz, and BoG & RoF films.
Db Minus, Jaco fall i the same continuity as "db, dbz, and dbz that I listed earlier. Bardock:FoG, and Future Trunks special fall in the same continuity of "Db, dbz, and GT" that I listed earlier and DB Kai is not a new continuity, just a shorten version of DBZ with most thebfat (filler) trimmed.
So really, you have at best only 3 continuities.
dragon boss z wrote:The Trunks that fought Dabura was buu saga tier, but the one that fought Goku was post Black fighting Trunks, so he should be stronger than Buu saga tier. But I do agree that current saiyans aren't that much stronger than Buu saga saiyans. By my numbers I would say maybe around 10x stronger.
I'm aware of the Trunks that fought Dabura, what I am saying is that the Trunks that fought Goku (the one that was holding back to be slightly superior to full power SS2 Goku (post Whis training) was stated only stronger than Kid Gohan, the same thing Majin Vegeta said about Buu Saga Goku, making them more or less around similar levels.
Goku turns SS3 (which again, is not that much different from his Buu Saga self) to which Future Trunks matches that level with his full power SS2 so I strongly disagree with your viewpoint. With the exception of Vegeta 's SS2 and god forms and Goku god forms Vegeta and Goku are not that much different from their Buu Saga selves which is where Future Trunks is comparable to, I'm trying to avoid using numbers.
dragon boss z wrote:Lets look at it this way. Ssj Caulifla was a bit stronger than Frieza, but still in the same tier imo
dragon boss z wrote:But even if it can work, it was clearly presented as more than a 2x boost. It would at least be a 5 to 10x boost imo. If SSG Goku is a 6 and SSB Goku a 7, then I would say base RoF Goku would be like a 1 or 2. If he went ssj3 he might be able to raise his power up to 5 or something.
That's seems more of your head-canon having issues with the narrative rather than it not being able to work, there's nothing in the movie that portrays SSB from base as more than double since no actual number or description was used to allude to such. In fact, small gaps in numbers are considered huge gaps in difference, out of Toriyama's own mouth Goku was 60% to Beerus 70%, yet had Goku state the gap between them was humongous. That's Beerus only being about 11.6% stronger than Goku at the time which is similar to previously used number difference between characters in the Dragon Ball franchise.
Fans have had it in their heads the differences need to be 2x, 3x, or even 4x for characters for oneshot each other when Toriyama and similsr mangaka of the battle shonen sub-genre have had much smaller difference such as Yusuke's unrestricted state stomping 80% Toguro easily only for 100% Toguro to easily stomp him in return.
If RoF base Goku is a 5.5 (since he didn't power down much from SSG which is a 6 to Beerus 7 to the point its not noticeable), then its possible for SSB to be an 7.5 and Golden Freeza to be an 8 which still leaves a massive gap between Beerus at 100% and Golden Freeza > SSB Goku
dragon boss z wrote:Ok if you agree he can't surpass that power I think our opinions aren't far off. The biggest reason I don't like people saying, "his base is SSG level now" is because they then add on the ssj multipliers.
For the films, sure, for DBS? Its a different story altogether which is why the multipliers are different post RoF saga compared to previous before.
dragon boss z wrote:I just looked at the subs of the movie and he said "you absorbed that world into your body. Which is why even though you've returned to normal you haven't powered down all that much".
My mistake, you're right.
dragon boss z wrote:So according to those subs he did power down a bit, and a few seconds later Goku became a SSG again, meaning he may have had some left over god power in him as well.
But then Toriyama states Goku absorbed SSG's power into his being which is why he doesn't need to transform into that form to access the same power which conflicts somewhat with what he wrote for the film does it not?
dragon boss z wrote:But I don't think the entire thing was temporary. Like Beerus said, Goku has reached an entirely new level, a level of gods. I just don't think he is always at the level of SSG. SSB was him accessing that power again and mixing it with ssj.
Thing is all official material state Goku was a saiyan with the power of SSG, so when he turns SS it becomes SSB, that's how it worked for the films narrative and even the anime narrative until U6 arc and onward. Obviously somewhere along the lines Toriyama changed his mind about how that worked which is why we got the golden SS1-3 forms back.
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